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ph0ust · Oct 30, 2003, 05:38 PM

not sure if this has been discussed yet, but since i haven't seen any posts on it i wanted to point this out.

apple apparently doesn't want to support any os other than panther, see http://news.com.com/2100-7355_3-5098...l?tag=nefd_pop. gee, that's fu%&ing cool. so if i want to be secure i have to buy the $130 upgrade. i plan on upgrading sometime in the not too distant future, but it really isn't that big a priority right now... unless apple has their way i guess.

they better change their tune on this one, it is a seriously bad move! i can't believe whatever jacka$$ exec came up with this idea got it to fly!

redJag · Oct 30, 2003, 05:56 PM

Yeah, that sucks. Maybe they were planning to release them later? Hopefully, if they weren't, they will release them due to the bad press.

p.s. your thread title sucks, too. gives almost no information about the thread

::maroma:: · Oct 30, 2003, 06:06 PM

Check the Lounge, they are talking about this in there.

Give Apple some time. They will probably release a general security update to Jag later on. Right now, the priority is Panther. And rightly so.

Brass · 07:03 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Check the Lounge, they are talking about this in there.

Give Apple some time. They will probably release a general security update to Jag later on. Right now, the priority is Panther. And rightly so.

Absolutely NOT! Their priority SHOULD be security. No other OS vendor makes people pay for security updates, even to old versions of the operating system (within reason - MS are probably not going to provide patches for Windows 95).

Apple SHOULD be committed to making their OS secure, and should not charge users for it.

Hopefully they'll fix this soon. Perhaps they are already working on a Jaguar security update, but weren't able to get it out before the vulnerabilities were made public.

malvolio · Oct 30, 2003, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Brass:
No other OS vendor makes people pay for security updates, even to old versions of the operating system (within reason - MS are probably not going to provide patches for Windows 95).

I guess you haven't been keeping up with Micro$oft's public statements. They have announced that there are "irreparable" security holes in all version of Windoze prior to Win2k.

Brass · Oct 30, 2003, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by malvolio:
I guess you haven't been keeping up with Micro$oft's public statements. They have announced that there are "irreparable" security holes in all version of Windoze prior to Win2k.

so? If they are irrepairable, how do you expect them to be able to repair them?

I don't believe the holes in Mac OS X 10.2 are irrepairable, therefore they should be fixed at no cost to the customer.

(Actually, I don't believe the holes in Windows are irrepairable either, but that's the MS marketting scheme - at least they've got an excuse, albeit a pathetic one)

ph0ust · Oct 31, 2003, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Check the Lounge, they are talking about this in there.

Give Apple some time. They will probably release a general security update to Jag later on. Right now, the priority is Panther. And rightly so.

no way, you can't really think that right?!?! apple's priority is to continue to be a leading vendor. dropping support, especially security, for an os that *just got upgraded* is insane. in all my years in this business i have never seen a company do such a thing (doesn't mean it hasn't, but i have never seen it!) even m$ supports their os's for YEARS after they *discontinue* them.

if they want to lag on some random new features for jaguar fine. lagging on security fixes is just plain stupid.

ckohler · Oct 31, 2003, 12:00 PM

Everybody can cool their jets...

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/.../31/jaguarfix/

Love Calm Quiet · Oct 31, 2003, 12:03 PM

I don't think Apple wants to live with this kind of press. They're being their usual annoyingly quiet selves, but I'll bet they're working on the plan for Jag patches.

However, FYI...

It's no longer a "$130 upgrade". Amazon is selling Panther for $99.95 (free shipping at super saver rate). At least you can save $30!

Terri · Oct 31, 2003, 12:09 PM

On MacCentral.com they just posted that there would be a fix for pre-panther.

::maroma:: · Oct 31, 2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Terri:
On MacCentral.com they just posted that there would be a fix for pre-panther.

Thank you.

As I stated in my post above:

BE PATIENT!!!!!

Jesus. You people really get on my nerves sometimes. You jump all over a story you read about Apple, accusing them of dropping support and forcing users to pay for security, blah blah blah blah. Someone tells you to be patient, and to wait and see what Apple is going to do, and you jump down THEIR throats. Well, it seems like some people know Apple better than others.

So...next time you feel like starting a thread bashing Apple, step back, take a deep breath and try to remember Apple's past practices. Then put the mouse down and wait.

Oh, and I am also right about Apple's MAIN priority AT THIS TIME being Panther. It's a fact. Get over it.

cambro · Oct 31, 2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
TBE PATIENT!!!!!

Jesus. You people really get on my nerves sometimes.

TRUE DAT!

ph0ust · Nov 5, 2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Thank you.

As I stated in my post above:

BE PATIENT!!!!!

be patient for a security fix?!?! dude, that isn't how it works... not by any vendor. i guess apple can choose to have the perception of ignoring security issues like m$, but i will avoid the pointing out the obvious stupidity of such a course.

features and enhancements can be subject to patience. hell, don't even do 'em if panther is the priority. that's fine. not patching your security holes is negligent. end of story.

it's good to see apple is, albeit slowly, getting around to this. hopefully the negative press will prevent such a thing from occuring again.

Xeo · Nov 5, 2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by ph0ust:
be patient for a security fix?!?! dude, that isn't how it works... not by any vendor. i guess apple can choose to have the perception of ignoring security issues like m$, but i will avoid the pointing out the obvious stupidity of such a course.

features and enhancements can be subject to patience. hell, don't even do 'em if panther is the priority. that's fine. not patching your security holes is negligent. end of story.

it's good to see apple is, albeit slowly, getting around to this. hopefully the negative press will prevent such a thing from occuring again.

Get a grip man! You posted this inflammatory thread on the 30th. The next day Apple officially announced they would fix it. They are concerned about security as much as you and responded quickly. Just because they didn't respond the same day doesn't mean they are "slowly coming around." God, you're still bitching even though Apple appeased you. I can't believe it...

Boondoggle · Nov 6, 2003, 04:32 AM

Apple has been exceedingly vigorous in fixing any known vulnerabilities in OS X. Usually within a few days.

timmerk · Nov 6, 2003, 05:25 AM

ph0ust, Apple hates you, and we hate you!

suthercd · Nov 6, 2003, 05:32 AM

@stack and CNET have certainly garnered a lot of hits and attention by how they chose to word their press about this issue. It is a bit like the old "When did you stop beating your wife.." query. These are a news reports not technical briefings. The intent is to gain attention, not to solve problems.

Craig

Eriamjh · Nov 6, 2003, 06:12 AM

Apple's security problems with OSX are a pittance compared to microsoft's. First, most systems can be made secure by changing a setting. Second, some of the exploits are very hard to, uh... exploit. And third, most are OFF by default anyway.

Quit whining.

jasong · Nov 6, 2003, 06:36 AM

so? If they are irrepairable, how do you expect them to be able to repair them?

So all Apple has to do is say the security holes are irreparable and you will be happy? I hope that works, because saying they would fix the problem doesn't seem to have done anything here.

-- Jason

Moonray · Nov 30, 2003, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
The next day Apple officially announced they would fix it. They are concerned about security as much as you and responded quickly. Just because they didn't respond the same day doesn't mean they are "slowly coming around."

So where is it now? Promised and forgotten?

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