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HolyRomanUmpire · Nov 2, 2003, 07:38 PM

All,

Hey, just installed Panter on my 667 non-DVI PowerBook, and I'm for the most part pleased. Unfortunately, the 16meg video card is a bit over-taxed by Quartz Extreme's window resizing for metal apps, and it's annoyingly slow. I was wondering if anyone knew how to make Panther show just the outline of the window while you resized it. (MS Word does this automatically for me.) I think 10.1 and Jag had this feature but I'm not sure where. I also DL'd TinkerTool and couldn't find it there. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
HRU

Catfish_Man · Nov 2, 2003, 08:36 PM

I don't think you can do that, but you might try installing the developer tools, opening the .nib file inside the app, and looking through the options for NSWindow. This won't work for the Finder though.

Chris Grande · Nov 2, 2003, 08:40 PM

There was never an option to turn off live window resizing...the reason Word does it is because it is a carbon application. By default Carbon apps don't get live window resizing.

MPMoriarty · Nov 2, 2003, 10:06 PM

Although you probably want outline resizing on automatically, but I think there is a way to manually use outline resizing instead of live.

If I believe so, you hold "opt" or "control" while dragging the corner of a window. Sorry I can't test it, but I am away from my Mac at the moment.

stew · Nov 3, 2003, 04:40 AM

Who else thinks it's ridiculous that our computers can decode and play fullscreen DVD and DivX movies, can morph minizining windows with a Quicktime movie still playing and have a fullscreen iTunes visualizer play fluently, but are unable to resize a 400x300 window at reasonable frame rates?

HolyRomanUmpire · Nov 3, 2003, 08:42 AM

All,

It looks like some carbon apps automatically disable live window resizing like Word. Other carbon apps (I think I'm right) like iTunes allow you to turn it off while holding the command key when resizing. I still have not idea how to turn it off in iChat, which is the worst one of the bunch and I think is Cocoa. Any crack OS X users have a suggestion?

(And thanks for all the help so far!)

HRU

MarkLT1 · Nov 3, 2003, 08:52 AM

No answer to your question (sorry..) but hello from a fellow princetonian..

You at the university?

Originally posted by HolyRomanUmpire:
All,

It looks like some carbon apps automatically disable live window resizing like Word. Other carbon apps (I think I'm right) like iTunes allow you to turn it off while holding the command key when resizing. I still have not idea how to turn it off in iChat, which is the worst one of the bunch and I think is Cocoa. Any crack OS X users have a suggestion?

(And thanks for all the help so far!)

HRU

dr. zoidberg · Nov 3, 2003, 04:18 PM

hear this: there is NO WAY to change the resizing method in os x, unless you are the programmer of the particular (carbon) application, or some seriously 5k1lled h4XX0r.

DBvader · Nov 3, 2003, 04:23 PM

I still dont understand how OS X is more advanced and easier to use than windows XP, but still cant resize windows real time. I was using a Dual G5 the other day in the school bookstore, and even it didnt like resizing metal windows. That was a really annoying when i switched to jag last year. Panther seems to make aqua windows resize beautifully, but now none of the windows are aqua so it doesnt matter.

ryju · Nov 3, 2003, 05:38 PM

how often are you resizing windows? 10 times a minute? that's why the finder keeps fixed window size/position, so you don't have to keep resizing it.

Morenix · Nov 3, 2003, 10:49 PM

Who else thinks it's ridiculous that our computers can decode and play fullscreen DVD and DivX movies, can morph minizining windows with a Quicktime movie still playing and have a fullscreen iTunes visualizer play fluently, but are unable to resize a 400x300 window at reasonable frame rates?

RooneyX · Nov 3, 2003, 11:40 PM

That's because a lot of the GUI is still unaccelerated on the GPU (check CPU monitor when resizing). This is, I think, due to PDF integration. I don't know. But still, I don't even think about this little problem as much as I used to.

stew · Nov 4, 2003, 05:20 AM

The GPU doesn't accelerate iTunes or DivX either.

JLL · Nov 4, 2003, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by DBvader:
I still dont understand how OS X is more advanced and easier to use than windows XP, but still cant resize windows real time.

Windows XP isn't that good either. The screen will often flicker, and icons sometimes dissappear shortly.

Quartz uses double buffering to prevent that.

neilw · Nov 4, 2003, 10:38 AM

This was hashed out in great detail in another thread. It is one area where I'd rather have the flicker and weirdness of XP than the pretty but slow response of OSX.

It is simply bad design where you have to wait upwards of a second to see a response to a mouse operation (resizing a Safari window). Instant feedback is much more important than keeping things pretty. My machine's certainly not the fastest (Ti550), but as has been said any number of times before, a 300 MHz Pentium showed better live resize performance than this.

There are many possible solutions to this, but the current implementation is just wrong IMHO.