[mikeini]

whats up guys?
while i am in the process of getting an ibook (almost have enough money) i was curious about one thing. i used mac's at school and my buddies powerbook and when i use word lets say, i can only jump to the beginning of the sentence (home) but i cant jump to the end? is there a shortcut key or something, becuase when i work on the macs at school (running 9.2 i think .. its really annoying!)

mike

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by mikeini:
whats up guys?
while i am in the process of getting an ibook (almost have enough money) i was curious about one thing. i used mac's at school and my buddies powerbook and when i use word lets say, i can only jump to the beginning of the sentence (home) but i cant jump to the end? is there a shortcut key or something, becuase when i work on the macs at school (running 9.2 i think .. its really annoying!)

mike

These are the traditional Mac shortcuts:

Command-Left Arrow - jump to beginning of line.

Command-Right Arrow - jump to end of line.

Home - Top of page

End - Bottom of page

In addition, OS X adds the emacs shortcuts. All Cocoa apps support these. Some Carbon apps may as well, but only if the developer has updated to support them. They are really slick as they can be done with the left hand alone and your hands don't have to move from their positions on the keyboard.

Control-E - end of line
Control-A - beginning of line

NOTE: None of the above-mentioned shortcuts work in Word. Word uses the Windows shortcuts of home/end instead. This is because Word sucks. Fortunately, you can go to Tools -> Customize -> Keyboard in Word and assign the proper shortcuts, but it's really annoying that you have to do this. . However, the traditional Mac shortcuts work in every other Mac program, and the emacs shortcuts work in quite a few as well.

[curmi]

Try CMD-Home and CMD-End to do what you want in Word.

Which is different (of course) to normal OS X apps - which would be CMD-Up Arrow, CMD-Down Arrow I believe.

[mikeini]

haha thanks guys.

but where on the keyboard is the end key? that i guess was my question becuase on the emac's we have at school, the keyboard only has the home key so i guess commant left/right it is!

thanks again guys.

[Eggos]

On the ibook, the left arrow is also labeled as the "end" key. To make it act like the end key, press fn+left arrow. It makes it go to the end of the line in Word.

[Eggos]

Ack! I meant the RIGHT arrow (not left)

[dtriska]

Originally posted by mikeini:
haha thanks guys.

but where on the keyboard is the end key? that i guess was my question becuase on the emac's we have at school, the keyboard only has the home key so i guess commant left/right it is!

thanks again guys.

The "End" key should be right below the "Home" key.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by dtriska:
The "End" key should be right below the "Home" key.

not exactly, on the ibook the end is the right arrow, and the home is the left arrow.

for the record, the up arrow is page up, and ill let you guess what the down arrow is.

[clarkgoble]

I haven't tried it in Panther, but can't iKey or Quickkeys remmap home/end to cmd-left-arrow and cmd-right-arrow?

I'll try it when I get home.

If not then a true keyboard remapper would be very nice.

[mikeini]

THANKS AGAIN GUYS! this is why i love this forum. gonna try it on the old g4's in school (but iwould swear there is no end button on that keyboard (the home button is above teh numebr pad if i remember correctly. i will take a pic with my digital camera in case im right).

mike

[Phoenix1701]

The computers at your school have the old Apple USB keyboards, the kind that came with computers between the Bondi Blue iMac and the original Yikes and Sawtooth G4s (all the computers that had a hockey puck for a mouse). To refresh everyone's memory (as little as I want to remember this), here's a picture of the relevant bit of the keyboard:



As you can see, there is a home key, but no end key. This is because Apple's industrial designers were, at the time, apparently on crack. There were various utilities created around that time to provide the functionality of and end key, but none of the ones I came across just now work with OS X.

In terms of keyboard shortcuts, I just found a couple REALLY nice ones which, I'm fairly sure, have been present for at least a decade now -- I just never took the time to find them. They are as follows:

Option-left: go to beginning of word
Option-right: go to end of word
Option-up: go to beginning of paragraph
Option-down: go to end of paragraph
Control-left: go to beginning of line
Control-right: go to end of line
Control-up: go to beginning of document
Control-down: go to end of document

The option-modifiers are especially useful when you hold down shift as well; this creates a selection, which makes it really, really easy to replace a word -- just option-left arrow until you're to the right of the word, then option-shift-left arrow to highlight it, and type the new word. Pretty spiffy.

edit: Oh, yes! I almost forgot to mention something important. All relatively recent Macs (like within the past two years or so) come with the new Apple Pro Keyboard, which once again has all the keys one would expect on a real keyboard in the traditional sizes and arrangements, like so:

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by Phoenix1701:
The computers at your school have the old Apple USB keyboards, the kind that came with computers between the Bondi Blue iMac and the original Yikes and Sawtooth G4s (all the computers that had a hockey puck for a mouse). To refresh everyone's memory (as little as I want to remember this), here's a picture of the relevant bit of the keyboard:

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As you can see, there is a home key, but no end key. This is because Apple's industrial designers were, at the time, apparently on crack. There were various utilities created around that time to provide the functionality of and end key, but none of the ones I came across just now work with OS X.[/img][/i]

But he said he was using eMacs. Why on earth would an eMac have one of those ancient piece of excrement keyboards?

[mikeini]

haha .. i wish thats what my keyboard looked like! but you got the hockey puck style mouse right! IM IMPRESSED!

the only reason i believe thats not my keyboard is that there is literally for some stupid reason just a home key.

and secondly - we are running g4 towers on the old imac screen (the bubbles and what not). im still a newb at the mac thing (the last time i had an apple was the apple IIgs ... so yea .. but workin on gettin my ibook!)

i will let you guys know in a few hours .. that class starts at 11:15.

mike

[mikeini]

im in class as we speak and there is no end button. the home is loacted above teh equal sign on the numeric pad (to it left is next to its right is page up). i hvae pix of tower and moniter (its not an imac moniter, but its the same style (the bubble or whatever. will load pix when i hvae time tonight).


mike

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
But he said he was using eMacs. Why on earth would an eMac have one of those ancient piece of excrement keyboards?

In a school, there's no guarantee the keyboard which is attached to the computer, is actually the one that came with it. I work in the IT department of a school, and we're forever having to move keyboards/mice around. Mostly because a Pro keyboard has become faulty and has been replaced by an old iMac keyboard.

The other possibility is that the stupid new keyboards shipping with all new Macs now, has been put away in a cupboard. They're absolutely horrible. Their only saving grace is the fact that the USB ports are now on the back of the keyboard. Other than that, they're not adjustable, and all the keys are squished together (specifically function keys)....although it does mean they've managed to squeeze another 3 Fkeys in. Goodness only knows why though!

[curmi]

I should point out also that on Panther, at least on my powerbook G4 with external USB keyboard, Home and End do nothing in cocoa applications. I'm sure they used to go to the start or end of a line, but maybe I dreamt that.

[absmiths]

Originally posted by mikeini:
im in class as we speak and there is no end button. the home is loacted above teh equal sign on the numeric pad (to it left is next to its right is page up). i hvae pix of tower and moniter (its not an imac moniter, but its the same style (the bubble or whatever. will load pix when i hvae time tonight).


mike

Wow - that gets the incoherent/unintelligible post of the thread award. It's funny that you are in class - is it English by any chance?

[wataru]

Originally posted by mikeini:
im in class as we speak and there is no end button. the home is loacted above teh equal sign on the numeric pad (to it left is next to its right is page up). i hvae pix of tower and moniter (its not an imac moniter, but its the same style (the bubble or whatever. will load pix when i hvae time tonight).


mike

This might help:

[mikeini]

hah. THANKS GUYS! the keyboards stick i swear. and it was journalism .. who needs good english with journalism?

anyhow .. yea . there is no end key and i tried the option left arrow/right arrow, i couldnt get anything to work. oh well, so long as it works on the ibook.

you guys want to see the pix?

[Cadaver]

Yup.

[mikeini]

here is the link
macs at school

i would link images, but i dunno how.

mike

[Link]

lol mike those aren't emacs at all, those are early powermac g4 towers + trinitron studio displays.

Loved those old monitors.. the keyboards were downright disgusting, though.

If it REALLY bugs you, carry in any old USB keyboard you may have laying around, and chances are it'll work fine.

I really feel sorry for ya though. OS 9?! EEW!

[mikeini]

haha. my bad! i told you im a newbie at this. but yea, those keyboards are downright horrible!

im so used to os 9's menu - with the applications - its just apple then app's then you ahve everything that i cannot figure out when i play with the ibook or any mac in teh stores how to get to such a menu or listing. is that what the dock is for at the bottom of the screen? (remember .. i dont have my ibook yet so i cant fully play but can you determine what goes on the dock and how?)

thanks guys! you guys rock as always.
mike

[chris v]

Originally posted by mikeini:
haha. my bad! i told you im a newbie at this. but yea, those keyboards are downright horrible!

im so used to os 9's menu - with the applications - its just apple then app's then you ahve everything that i cannot figure out when i play with the ibook or any mac in teh stores how to get to such a menu or listing. is that what the dock is for at the bottom of the screen? (remember .. i dont have my ibook yet so i cant fully play but can you determine what goes on the dock and how?)

thanks guys! you guys rock as always.
mike

Yes, the dock is meant to replace the application switcher menu, but there are a couple shareware apps that bring it back. Also, with 10.3, or app switcging options have grown with Exposé and the new visuals that appear when using command+tab.

CV

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by mikeini:
haha. my bad! i told you im a newbie at this. but yea, those keyboards are downright horrible!

im so used to os 9's menu - with the applications - its just apple then app's then you ahve everything that i cannot figure out when i play with the ibook or any mac in teh stores how to get to such a menu or listing. is that what the dock is for at the bottom of the screen? (remember .. i dont have my ibook yet so i cant fully play but can you determine what goes on the dock and how?)

thanks guys! you guys rock as always.
mike

If you want an Applications menu on OS X, the easiest way to do it is to drag the Applications folder into the Dock. Then you can either click-and-hold or control-click on the folder (or right click on it if you have a multibutton mouse). Voila, you get a menu with all your applications in it.

[mikeini]

thanks as always guys. will do if it gets annoying.

mike