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daemon1 · Nov 23, 2003, 11:24 PM

hey eveyone, just installed 10.3.2..... it was seeded out to developers.
there are quite a lot of changes to pretty much everything.. here's the dump from the install

"The 10.3.2 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" and is recommended for all users.

Key enhancements include:
� improved file sharing and directory services for mixed Mac and PC networks
� more robust printing to PostScript printers
� improved font management
� updated Mail and Address Book applications
� new ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
� FileVault, FireWire 800, WebDAV and USB Printing improvements from Update 10.3.1
� previous standalone security updates

Important Note:
Apple has identified an issue with external FireWire hard drives using the Oxford 922 bridge chip-set with firmware version 1.02 that can result in the loss of data stored on the disk drive. Even with the improvements available in this update, Apple recommends you update the firmware on your FireWire drive. Please contact your drive manufacturer for more information."

my panther build is now 7D15.

haven't had much of a chance to try things out, but there are a few noticable differences... finder's top borders have a sort of white shadow outline...

will post more once find what else has been changed..

i installed on 1ghz 17" powerbook.

mcsjgs · Nov 23, 2003, 11:32 PM

Any indication how far along they are in the build process? (besides 3 build numbers).

Mr. Blur · Nov 23, 2003, 11:36 PM

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=189990

gorickey · Nov 23, 2003, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by daemon1:
haven't had much of a chance to try things out, but there are a few noticable differences... finder's top borders have a sort of white shadow outline...

Care to post a screen shot of this?

Is the "icon shadow" bug fixed in the Finder (see link below)??

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ht=icon+shadow

Thanks!

iDriveX · Nov 25, 2003, 12:59 AM

Here's a lesson for everyone...

So I installed the Security Update, which made my Safari stop autofilling logins and passwords....Sucks cause I don't know any of the passwords for any of my brokerage accounts. So I have no clue what's going on in my finances....grrr...Apple...

So After troubleshooting the problem and finding NO solution to this I decide to upgrade to a Beta OS hoping maybe the Mac OS X 10.3.2 update will fix the solution.

NOW....I have a Beta OS on my 12" PowerBook...And the Fan in my PowerBook is on SUPER HIGH, and the powerbook is as cool as ice and it won't turn off AND still no autofilling of passwords....

Ahhh the life of an Apple user....

redJag · Nov 25, 2003, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
So After troubleshooting the problem and finding NO solution to this I decide to upgrade to a Beta OS hoping maybe the Mac OS X 10.3.2 update will fix the solution.

Dude, you upgraded to a beta release of an OS to try to fix a problem with an application? Are you joking?? I can understand the inconvenience of losing your password, but I'd recommend writing it down somewhere safe next time. Don't depend on the machines!!

squiggy · Nov 25, 2003, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Here's a lesson for everyone...

still no autofilling of passwords....

Safari stores the login stuff in the keychain, if you run the keychain access app you can access that data with your system login password (there's a "show password" or something like that checkbox).

ingeniero · Nov 25, 2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
AND still no autofilling of passwords....Ahhh the life of an Apple user....

I actually hate the autofill feature. I don't like my information staying on there. I'm sure this "Apple life" is much better than the Windows life....

gorickey · Nov 25, 2003, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by daemon1:
will post more once find what else has been changed...

I guess alot hasn't changed...

pwolfe1 · Nov 25, 2003, 11:13 AM

i do not mean to step on any toes, or pass judgement for that matter, but if you are going to do financials on your computer, I think you need to be responsible enough to keep track of your passwords and not rely on apple to do it. just my $0.02.

iDriveX · Nov 25, 2003, 12:12 PM

Autofilling and remembering of passwords is a feature that is advertised by Safari. It's why I USE Safari and like it so much. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that I shouldn't.

Take for instance. If iTunes corrupted all of your music files and you came on here and complained and I said "You shouldn't depend of iTunes to store your music, you should have had hard copies"

Or if you were writing an essay in Word that was due the next day and Word crashed and corrupted the file and I said "You shouldn't depend on Word to work as advertised, you should have made a hard copy instead of typing"

You shouldn't rely on the machines, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You drive to work and expect to be there on time, right? You watch television and expect the TV to turn on, right? You walk into a room and flip a light switch and expect the bulb to lighten the room right? Yes, you do because these things are advertised features of the product.

Xeo · 12:39 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Autofilling and remembering of passwords is a feature that is advertised by Safari. It's why I USE Safari and like it so much. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that I shouldn't.

Take for instance. If iTunes corrupted all of your music files and you came on here and complained and I said "You shouldn't depend of iTunes to store your music, you should have had hard copies"

Or if you were writing an essay in Word that was due the next day and Word crashed and corrupted the file and I said "You shouldn't depend on Word to work as advertised, you should have made a hard copy instead of typing"

All your problems (and examples) could be solved with the same suggestion: "Backup regularly." I know you've heard it before so it's not a surprise.

If, as a responsible computer user, you choose not to back up the things you can't replace, that's your own damn fault. Passwords, MP3s, Word files, everything... backup. Yes, you SHOULD make a hard copy. They are commonly called CDs.

But as for the autofill thing, was it disabled for https sites? Wouldn't that be a security issue? Personally I liked the way it was done before.

[edit] I don't know when autofill does and doesn't work. It doesn't work on my bank site anymore but does work with PayPal, so I guess it's not all https sites. It's annoying...

I just checked, my bank page sets <meta> tags to have the content "expire" in 1971, and sets "no-cache" so maybe autofill doesn't fill in on expired pages. Check this on your bank site, see if it's similar.

KidRed · Nov 25, 2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
AND still no autofilling of passwords....

No problems with autofill here. Make sure you have it checked in your Safari prefs, AND when you fill in your passwords fields and Safari asks if you want to keep the passwords for that site you click YES. If none of that is happening then you may need to reinstall Safari.

iDriveX · Nov 25, 2003, 05:25 PM

Time to reinstall Safari then...

ratlater · Nov 25, 2003, 08:24 PM

Site designers can choose to allow or not allow auto filling of passwords. It is up to the browser to then respect that. I'm guessing the latest security update now makes Safari respect that setting on the site.

-matt

CharlesS · Nov 25, 2003, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Here's a lesson for everyone...

So I installed the Security Update, which made my Safari stop autofilling logins and passwords....Sucks cause I don't know any of the passwords for any of my brokerage accounts.

And whose fault is that?

So After troubleshooting the problem and finding NO solution to this I decide to upgrade to a Beta OS hoping maybe the Mac OS X 10.3.2 update will fix the solution.

NOW....I have a Beta OS on my 12" PowerBook...And the Fan in my PowerBook is on SUPER HIGH, and the powerbook is as cool as ice and it won't turn off AND still no autofilling of passwords....

And whose fault is THAT?!

Moonray · Nov 26, 2003, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Take for instance. If iTunes corrupted all of your music files and you came on here and complained and I said "You shouldn't depend of iTunes to store your music, you should have had hard copies"

Or if you were writing an essay in Word that was due the next day and Word crashed and corrupted the file and I said "You shouldn't depend on Word to work as advertised, you should have made a hard copy instead of typing"

You shouldn't rely on the machines, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You drive to work and expect to be there on time, right? You watch television and expect the TV to turn on, right? You walk into a room and flip a light switch and expect the bulb to lighten the room right? Yes, you do because these things are advertised features of the product.

Of course people do backups, hard- and software is known to fail since they exits. To rely on infallibility of machines is plain stupid. TV sets break, lightbulbs burn out and there's nothing you can do about it. And if you don't back up your important data it's your fault.

-

iDriveX · Nov 26, 2003, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
And whose fault is that?

And whose fault is THAT?!

I think you are taking this the wrong way.... I think it's laughable actually, I'm not mad at all...I thought every one would get a kick out of it, that's all...

iDriveX · Nov 26, 2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by Moonray:
Of course people do backups, hard- and software is known to fail since they exits. To rely on infallibility of machines is plain stupid. TV sets break, lightbulbs burn out and there's nothing you can do about it. And if you don't back up your important data it's your fault.

-

You rely on the infallibility of machines every day when you get behind the wheel of a car and go 70 on the Freeway. It's not too laughable when you see a car wrapped around a light-pole because they depended on the infallibility of a car.

Spheric Harlot · Nov 26, 2003, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
You rely on the infallibility of machines every day when you get behind the wheel of a car and go 70 on the Freeway. It's not too laughable when you see a car wrapped around a light-pole because they depended on the infallibility of a car.

Except that there, 49 times out of 50, it's the driver (or another driver) that ****ed up.

AJ · Nov 26, 2003, 06:44 AM

Any chance of an lsbom on the update file?

Moonray · Nov 26, 2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
You rely on the infallibility of machines every day when you get behind the wheel of a car and go 70 on the Freeway. It's not too laughable when you see a car wrapped around a light-pole because they depended on the infallibility of a car.

Yes, like I said: be careful and have always in mind that machines can fail when you use them.

-

absmiths · Dec 10, 2003, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Ahhh the life of an Apple user....

Apple has absolutely no responsibility for this - 100% user error.

absmiths · Dec 10, 2003, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Autofilling and remembering of passwords is a feature that is advertised by Safari. It's why I USE Safari and like it so much. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that I shouldn't.

Safari is not a management solution - it is a convenience. The implication is that you know your passwords, etc, but Safari saves you the time of actually having to type them. If you chose to forget your passwords after entering them into Safari then that is your mistake.

That said, have you looked in your keychain? I have found some of my site passwords in my keychain before under the site name.

absmiths · Dec 10, 2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Moonray:
Yes, like I said: be careful and have always in mind that machines can fail when you use them.

-

Well said. It is generally the idiot who is flying all around the road thinking he is indestructable who causes those sorts of accidents.

JB72 · Dec 10, 2003, 10:28 AM

OK OK let's try to avoid blame and just focus on helpful solutions.

OptimusG4 · Dec 10, 2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by JB72:
OK OK let's try to avoid blame and just focus on helpful solutions.

Solution? Don't install beta updates and ask for help.

uv23 · Dec 10, 2003, 03:12 PM

My experience with autofilling is that it doesn't happen on https pages. This is certainly a good thing, as these pages are generally where you type in sensitive information.

diamondsw · Dec 11, 2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Here's a lesson for everyone...

So I installed the Security Update, which made my Safari stop autofilling logins and passwords....Sucks cause I don't know any of the passwords for any of my brokerage accounts. So I have no clue what's going on in my finances....grrr...Apple...

So After troubleshooting the problem and finding NO solution to this I decide to upgrade to a Beta OS hoping maybe the Mac OS X 10.3.2 update will fix the solution.

NOW....I have a Beta OS on my 12" PowerBook...And the Fan in my PowerBook is on SUPER HIGH, and the powerbook is as cool as ice and it won't turn off AND still no autofilling of passwords....

Ahhh the life of an Apple user....

Ahhh the life of a

person who installs BETA OS's and complains that they (gasp) don't work!

diamondsw · Dec 11, 2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Autofilling and remembering of passwords is a feature that is advertised by Safari. It's why I USE Safari and like it so much. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that I shouldn't.

Take for instance. If iTunes corrupted all of your music files and you came on here and complained and I said "You shouldn't depend of iTunes to store your music, you should have had hard copies"

Or if you were writing an essay in Word that was due the next day and Word crashed and corrupted the file and I said "You shouldn't depend on Word to work as advertised, you should have made a hard copy instead of typing"

You shouldn't rely on the machines, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You drive to work and expect to be there on time, right? You watch television and expect the TV to turn on, right? You walk into a room and flip a light switch and expect the bulb to lighten the room right? Yes, you do because these things are advertised features of the product.

Oh, you should rely on the machine, but you should be able to function without it as well. Particularly for something as important as your financial accounts. I may not remember all of my passwords on web forums, but you can bet I know how to get to my bank accounts.

Meanwhile, while I sympathize with your problem (although I did not experience any such problems, and did not see them widely reported), your method of dealing with it was... questionable... at best.

poocat · Dec 12, 2003, 12:28 AM

guys, he's said he posted it as a joke.

i thought it was funny.
he wasn't looking for help,
he wasn't complaining.

he was just telling a story.
chill.

and anyway, wasn't this thread supposed to be about 10.3.2?

just curious.

poocat.

clarkgoble · Dec 12, 2003, 02:09 PM

I'd sure like to know if they changed the selection color issues in the Finder with 10.3.2. That'd be fairly trivial to fix too.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Dec 12, 2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by clarkgoble:
I'd sure like to know if they changed the selection color issues in the Finder with 10.3.2. That'd be fairly trivial to fix too.

What issues?

BurpetheadX · Dec 12, 2003, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by daemon1:
hey eveyone, just installed 10.3.2..... it was seeded out to developers.
there are quite a lot of changes to pretty much everything.. here's the dump from the install

"The 10.3.2 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" and is recommended for all users.

Key enhancements include:
� improved file sharing and directory services for mixed Mac and PC networks
� more robust printing to PostScript printers
� improved font management
� updated Mail and Address Book applications
� new ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
� FileVault, FireWire 800, WebDAV and USB Printing improvements from Update 10.3.1
� previous standalone security updates

Important Note:
Apple has identified an issue with external FireWire hard drives using the Oxford 922 bridge chip-set with firmware version 1.02 that can result in the loss of data stored on the disk drive. Even with the improvements available in this update, Apple recommends you update the firmware on your FireWire drive. Please contact your drive manufacturer for more information."

my panther build is now 7D15.

haven't had much of a chance to try things out, but there are a few noticable differences... finder's top borders have a sort of white shadow outline...

will post more once find what else has been changed..

i installed on 1ghz 17" powerbook.

It seems every other system update has new ATI/NVIDIA drivers, and everyone makes me cross my fingers in hope that it will fix my phantom monitor syndrome on my Radeon 8500...hasnt happened yet. poo