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JKT · Nov 24, 2003, 11:00 AM

Feeling a little ranty because of this:

That is, Apple still can't get the UK date format right in all their programmes after how many goddamned friggin' years and, as the image above shows, they can get it both right AND wrong within the same goddamned friggin' programme! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I shall give some credit where it is due - Mail finally displays the correct date format for the UK in 10.3 (hoo-bloody-ray!

)... Address Book, alas, still converts a shorthand dd/mm/yy entry into the US month/day/year longhand format after editing! Unnhhhh, head hurts...

So, what are your (least) favourite love-to-hate bugs or annoyances in OS X that still haven't been solved with 10.3.x?

joltguy · Nov 24, 2003, 11:19 AM

Lack of spring-loaded folders for the Dock. It seems like the most obvious thing in the world, yet it's still not there.

stevesnj · Nov 24, 2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by joltguy:
Lack of spring-loaded folders for the Dock. It seems like the most obvious thing in the world, yet it's still not there.

Thats a good point but is the Dock a part of the Finder or a seperate app? Either way it should be possible but I wonder if this is just a Finder feature?

arekkusu · Nov 24, 2003, 02:16 PM

Mmmrrr, how about PNG images being saved a tiny bit darker every time I open/save them.

Or how about not being able to read files larger than 1 gig from UDF format DVDs.

Walker · Nov 24, 2003, 02:26 PM

iSub still has issues (but it has improved).

clarkgoble · Nov 24, 2003, 03:56 PM

I'm hoping that 10.3.2 improves the side bar and selection colors. Right now objects selected in the Finder's sidebar are in a gradiant blue that looks like they are a selected button. They should be treated as regular objects and selected with the default selection color. The other problem is that the Finder largely ignores your selection color setting and finds the nearest color from amongst 7 overly bright colors. Very, very annoying as well as being inconsistent with the rest of the OSX interface.

Sarc · Nov 24, 2003, 04:00 PM

lack of support for UDF 2.0 and ISO level 3

C.J. Moof · Nov 24, 2003, 04:06 PM

Get an email attachment.
Drag it to a folder in your dock, release.
You'd think it would copy to that folder- this is the technique to move a file from one place to another, after all.

You'd be wrong.

::maroma:: · Nov 24, 2003, 04:53 PM

And what about the Finder forgetting your default window set up for Column view?

I have my default Finder window set to Column view, with the columns resized from the default setting to neatly fit on my screen. Yet every time I boot up or log in, I have to open a Finder window, close it, and open another one for it to go to my custom setting.

Why is this?? And why does it work the 2nd time I open a window?? This has been there since 10.0, and I have NO idea why it's still there.

SteevAK · Nov 24, 2003, 05:27 PM

FTP in Finder is still busted (i.e. can't write to server).

Orion27 · Nov 24, 2003, 06:19 PM

Why does my hard drive go to sleep even though in Energy Saver, put the harddisks to sleep when possible is " unfriggin' checked"

I hate when that happens. clunk, desired action completed after spin up.
it just plan sucks

Brass · Nov 24, 2003, 06:24 PM

The screensaver NEVER automatically activates on this iMac since upgrading to Panther, despite having set it to activate after 15 minutes of activity.

(But it works fine on my PB12").

clarkgoble · Nov 24, 2003, 06:41 PM

I don't think Apple wants FTP to include anything but read only. Enabling R/W could, for silly users, really throttle things.

Brass · Nov 24, 2003, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by clarkgoble:
I don't think Apple wants FTP to include anything but read only. Enabling R/W could, for silly users, really throttle things.

How so? This argument has been thrashed out in other threads, and I never saw any good reasons why FTP could not easily be done properly in the Finder, including write access.

JKT · Nov 25, 2003, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
And what about the Finder forgetting your default window set up for Column view?

I have my default Finder window set to Column view, with the columns resized from the default setting to neatly fit on my screen. Yet every time I boot up or log in, I have to open a Finder window, close it, and open another one for it to go to my custom setting.

Why is this?? And why does it work the 2nd time I open a window?? This has been there since 10.0, and I have NO idea why it's still there.

Oh my, that is number two on my list!
Number three would be that games can still cause hard crashes of the OS with no recourse to force quitting them... why, oh why?

sanity assassin · Nov 25, 2003, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
And what about the Finder forgetting your default window set up for Column view?

I have my default Finder window set to Column view, with the columns resized from the default setting to neatly fit on my screen. Yet every time I boot up or log in, I have to open a Finder window, close it, and open another one for it to go to my custom setting.

Why is this?? And why does it work the 2nd time I open a window?? This has been there since 10.0, and I have NO idea why it's still there.

Try this, close all finder windows, then press the finder icon in the dock; with the new window that opens up, choose column view, and drag it the size you want. Leave that window open and go to Finder>File>New Finder Window; do the same to that window as you did to the first one. Then close that one, then close the window you opened via the dock icon, and you should have coulmn view when you reboot.

I think this only works if you choose to open a Finder window form either the dock, or the File menu.

To get the Finder window to stick to the view you want via the Desktop HD Icon; double click your HD icon, then choose column view, keep it open, and reboot OS X with the window still open, don't close it, and you should have column view for the Desktop Icon.

Sounds a bit convoluted, and there's probably an easier way, but seems to work for me.

Phoenix1701 · Nov 25, 2003, 05:21 AM

How about the fact that Finder windows' zoom widgets are completely non-fricking-deterministic?

A window zooms between at least three different sizes if you keep clicking on its widget, and if you happen to have your icons arranged automatically within the window, may God have mercy on your soul... most likely, it will chop off a column, and then if you click the zoom widget again in a vain attempt to go back to the previous view it will make the window even narrower to remove all the blank space that the chopped-off column used to occupy... and then, of course, if you go to another window that has a lot of items, a vertical scroll bar pops into existence, screwing up the view again and unseating still another column of icons... in 10.0 and 10.1, if you kept clicking the zoom widget, it would chop off another column every time you clicked zoom -- and in 10.0, when it chopped off the last column, the Finder would crash! 10.3 has, by in large, only made the problem worse with its magical disappearing, reappearing scroll bars. They had this down in the classic Mac OS Finder, so clearly they know how to go about it... I wish they'd make this a high priority issue to fix, as it impacts my user experience a heck of a lot more than most of the other bugs that have already been fixed...
(And yes, I've submitted a bug report.)

JKT · Nov 25, 2003, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Try this, close all finder windows,

<snip>

Sounds a bit convoluted, and there's probably an easier way, but seems to work for me.

This isn't the problem - the issue is that once you have windows set up with a user defined column width, the very first one to open after log-in or a Finder re-launch will always show with the Apple-defined default column width and not your own. However, any subsequent Finder windows that you open will have the user-defined column width as they should.

It's been like this since at least 10.0 and is hugely annoying.

JKT · Nov 25, 2003, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix1701:
How about the fact that Finder windows' zoom widgets are completely non-fricking-deterministic?

<snip>

Personally, I'm beginning to think that the following should be the way the column view works so as to prevent "column chop-off" occurring:

1. The user should define how many columns are in view in a window at any one time (2, 3... and so on - probably with a max of 4 or 5).

2. Any column view window will always appear with that user defined no. showing, but the columns will automatically adjust in width to fill the dimensions of the Finder window - thus, resizing the window causes the column widths to also resize so as to continue filling the window (perhaps holding the option key while resizing would allow an override of this to show more or less columns). If the window is resized to dimensions for which a large number of columns is unsuited, the number on view progressively decreases.

That way, the maximise button would only have two jobs - resize to fit contents or to fit the screen.

sodamnregistered2 · Nov 25, 2003, 06:35 AM

Yeah, smarter more flexible column view is a big one.

It sucks when you open a folder with long file names and can only see the first bit of the file name.

Also, enter (not return) should open the file once you navigate it. Command down arrow is a sucky method.

sanity assassin · Nov 25, 2003, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by JKT:
This isn't the problem - the issue is that once you have windows set up with a user defined column width, the very first one to open after log-in or a Finder re-launch will always show with the Apple-defined default column width and not your own. However, any subsequent Finder windows that you open will have the user-defined column width as they should.

It's been like this since at least 10.0 and is hugely annoying.

Ah, that is annoying. I see you're in the UK, have you got any ideas how I can get Safari's built in spell-checker to use British- English as the default language? I've got it all set up in the Sys. Prefs, for GB layout, but Safari still uses US English.

TheSpaz · Nov 25, 2003, 07:31 AM

Don't get me started. http://homepage.mac.com/justspaztik/oldsite/panthergui/

Panther Finder: Every new window opened is automatically metal. There should be a global setting to have JUST AQUA or JUST METAL or INTEGRATED or something like that. And then if I wanted a metal window (but have global aqua checked) then I should be able to hit a different command key to activate opening a new metal window.

I too hate the window settings and the trash can window will NOT stay or anything I do.

Also, where are the horizontal scroll bars in Column View in the Panther's Finder? That means when a scroll bar is missing and when the scroll bars are visible you have a different column height (which messes up the way I wanna view my icons).

Also scrolling performance is still pretty slow on webpages and images in Preview. If quartz Extreme is soo fast and stuff... why can't it scroll a page as well as you'd think? It has gotten better since Panther, but it's still there.

In Panther, the "About This Mac" window is now a utility window which means two things: 1. It's harder to close now when I go to press the tiny widget (cmd-w doesn't work) and 2. It's always above all the windows (I have no idea why they did that)

Menu Extras: (example: Clock and Battery status in the menu bar) If you click on them, you can't slide over and pull down the help menu without clicking again and vice versa.

The rest of my annoyances are in that url at the top of this post.

gorickey · Nov 25, 2003, 07:44 AM

1.) Why can't I have an option on screenshots to have the file be a JPEG and not a damn .PDF?? TinkerTool used to solve this problem, and even it can 't do it anymore! Thank God for "Kunvert" in the interim...

2.) I think the new app switcher (:cough: LiteSwitch X) should be more customizable and smaller if you so desire...

3.) About the column view chopping off items....do you think a automatic sizeable column view would be beneficial that will size itself to display the longest file name you have in view? Adium has this currently for your buddy list, which I really like the idea and thought it could be incorporated more robust and throughout the OS in certain situations...

JKT · Nov 25, 2003, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
1.) Why can't I have an option on screenshots to have the file be a JPEG and not a damn .PDF?? TinkerTool used to solve this problem, and even it can 't do it anymore! Thank God for "Kunvert" in the interim...

2.) I think the new app switcher (:cough: LiteSwitch X) should be more customizable and smaller if you so desire...

3.) About the column view chopping off items....do you think a automatic sizeable column view would be beneficial that will size itself to display the longest file name you have in view? Adium has this currently for your buddy list, which I really like the idea and thought it could be incorporated more robust and throughout the OS in certain situations...

1. You can do this with Folder Actions instead - create a folder and attach the Duplicate as JPEG script to it.

2. More customisability would be nice, primarily for the order of display for me.

3. I don't like having variable sized columns (but that is because I don't like to see column chop-off occurring... if my idea above was implemented, then the longest filename option could be implemented more usefully).

gorickey · Nov 25, 2003, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by JKT:
1. You can do this with Folder Actions instead - create a folder and attach the Duplicate as JPEG script to it.

True, Kunvert functions basically the same way; however, is more customizable and prettier...

Thanks!

JKT · Nov 25, 2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Ah, that is annoying. I see you're in the UK, have you got any ideas how I can get Safari's built in spell-checker to use British- English as the default language? I've got it all set up in the Sys. Prefs, for GB layout, but Safari still uses US English.

In Safari, click on an area that requires text input (e.g. the post field in a reply to a forum message).

Go to Edit>Spelling>Spelling... (or just press command : )

In the window that appears, select British English from the dictionaries on offer.

sanity assassin · Nov 25, 2003, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by JKT:
In Safari, click on an area that requires text input (e.g. the post field in a reply to a forum message).

Go to Edit>Spelling>Spelling... (or just press command : )

In the window that appears, select British English from the dictionaries on offer.

Brilliant, cheers. never realised that it was there.

andretan · Nov 25, 2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by TheSpaz:
*snip*

In Panther, the "About This Mac" window is now a utility window which means two things: 1. It's harder to close now when I go to press the tiny widget (cmd-w doesn't work) and 2. It's always above all the windows (I have no idea why they did that)

*snip*

I can Cmd-W it. Why can't you?

Macrat · Nov 25, 2003, 09:40 PM

OSX still doesn't open sequentialy numbered files sequentialy in an application. In OS9 I could create pdfs in Acrobat with dozens of imported jpgs in a few seconds. Now it takes several minutes, because I have to import each freakin image seperately.

turboSPE · Nov 25, 2003, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Macrat:
OSX still doesn't open sequentialy numbered files sequentialy in an application. In OS9 I could create pdfs in Acrobat with dozens of imported jpgs in a few seconds. Now it takes several minutes, because I have to import each freakin image seperately.

I still can't click on 2 UI items consecutively (like trying to launch 2 apps from the Dock one right after the other or trying to minimize Mail right after closing a message window). This is really really annoying.

turboSPE

Moonray · Nov 25, 2003, 10:42 PM

.DS_Store files. The Finder has no business to waste all folders with its files. It makes sorting by date nearly useless and is a mess on remote volumes.

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SomeToast · Nov 25, 2003, 11:10 PM

The brain-dead window behavior introduced with 10.3.

If I close a Finder window, the next-highest Finder window pops to the front, even if it happened to be behind a dozen app windows at the time.

If I click the desktop and type cmd-N, again the Finder brings its top-most window to the front (regardless of where it was before) and then slaps my new window in front of that.

If I double-click a BBEdit document in the Finder, BBEdit activates, its top-most window gets moved to the front, and the document I actually wanted gets layered in front of that.

It completely trashes interleaved windowing for no apparent reason (other than getting in the way of my workflow since 10.0).

zoe77 · Jan 11, 2004, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
1.) Why can't I have an option on screenshots to have the file be a JPEG and not a damn .PDF?? TinkerTool used to solve this problem, and even it can 't do it anymore! Thank God for "Kunvert" in the interim...

you can use SnapClip or QuickImageCM...

http://www.pixture.com/macosx.php

parsec_kadets · Jan 11, 2004, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by joltguy:
Lack of spring-loaded folders for the Dock. It seems like the most obvious thing in the world, yet it's still not there.

That's a big one for me. Also, now that we have labels why don't those show in the Dock either?

wataru · Jan 11, 2004, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
1.) Why can't I have an option on screenshots to have the file be a JPEG and not a damn .PDF?? TinkerTool used to solve this problem, and even it can 't do it anymore! Thank God for "Kunvert" in the interim...

JPEG is lossy. Maybe that's why.

Moonray · Jan 11, 2004, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
JPEG is lossy. Maybe that's why.

Before they had non-lossy TIFF and way before that non-lossy PICT.
Now how difficult would it be again for Apple to have the user decide in some preferences?

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Gee4orce · Jan 12, 2004, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by JKT:
Feeling a little ranty because of this:

I'm sorry, but you have very little to complain about if your choise of holiday destination is Bridlington !!

Gee4orce (Scarborough born 'n' bred)

(PS. Yeah - that date thing annoys me too. What annoys me even more is American TV ads, especially movie trailer - "In theatres from January ten" - NO! It's "In cinemas from January the tenth" !).