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besson3c · Dec 13, 2003, 01:39 PM

"Spyware"

Kazaa includes Spyware. If you download Kazaa, you will mess your computer up - period (unless you know better).

Just the word "Spyware" is intimidating enough that it should strike fear into people enough to inspire the curiosity of the iTMS (although many naive freshman-type people I've talked to defy logic when it comes to reacting about having Spyware on their computer).

Jobs wouldn't have to lie, it's a fact... Why sweep this fact under the carpet? Announce it! Kazaa Lite has had its plug pulled, if you want Kazaa you will have to deal with Spyware. Jobs goes on about how you get a bad rip, a slow connection, and all sorts of other Kazaa drawbacks, but why not just "Spyware"?

wataru · Dec 13, 2003, 01:54 PM

This belongs in the OS X forum, why?

Moonray · Dec 13, 2003, 01:55 PM

You can't compare p2p file exchange systems with all their legal concerns with iTMS. And I think Steve Jobs knows this as well and doesn't want to put iTMS in the same corner.

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besson3c · Dec 13, 2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
This belongs in the OS X forum, why?

Because it's about the iTMS.

Doesn't it take more effort to actually respond and point out that you don't think this belongs in the OS X forums rather than just simply ignoring my post?

cpac · Dec 13, 2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by besson3c:
Because it's about the iTMS.

Software or Lounge is where it should be.

OS X forum is for the OS only.

More to the point, Jobs may not want to do that given that they probably keep track of which one-click users log on to which band's iTunes pages how frequently and what they listen to on the store...

besson3c · Dec 13, 2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by cpac:
Software or Lounge is where it should be.

OS X forum is for the OS only.

More to the point, Jobs may not want to do that given that they probably keep track of which one-click users log on to which band's iTunes pages how frequently and what they listen to on the store...

That doesn't make iTunes Spyware anymore than any web browser would be.

I don't see the comparison.

iPond317 · Dec 13, 2003, 05:04 PM

People are so damn anal about where threads should be on this forum. This thread has to do with the iTMS which happens to run on OS X, so in my opinion, this belongs in this forum or the Software forum. Chill people!

Go ahead, flame me!

Moonray · Dec 13, 2003, 05:10 PM

All OS X software runs on OS X muahahahahahahahahah

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besson3c · Dec 13, 2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by iPond317:
People are so damn anal about where threads should be on this forum. This thread has to do with the iTMS which happens to run on OS X, so in my opinion, this belongs in this forum or the Software forum. Chill people!

Go ahead, flame me!

I agree... let the moderators moderate, and let people be.

It's like posting in the wrong forum is some sort of intrusion or something. Unlike spam, most people here are not trying to enlarge your penis.

cpac · Dec 13, 2003, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by besson3c:
That doesn't make iTunes Spyware anymore than any web browser would be.

I don't see the comparison.

well the company that makes the web browser isn't the one gathering the information about it's users - if you browse Amazon with OmniWeb, e.g., it's Amazon, not OmniGroup that's gathering the information. (And that's only if you allow cookies, etc.). Thus, the browser itself cannot be considered "spyware" since *it* isn't doing the spying per se.

iTunes, by comparison, reports to the company that wrote the program.

I'm not saying iTunes *is* spyware, just that it might be similar enough for Jobs to want to avoid making the comparison.

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Finally, the reason so many of us get annoyed with threads posted in the wrong forum is because it leads to (1) duplication, and (2) crowding of the topics we actually came to the forum to discuss. And iPond (here's your "flame") it doesn't matter where *you* think the thread belongs, the guidelines, if you'd bother to read them, clearly state that the OS X forum is for OS topics *only* - Software discussion belongs in the software forum.

besson3c · Dec 13, 2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by cpac:
well the company that makes the web browser isn't the one gathering the information about it's users - if you browse Amazon with OmniWeb, e.g., it's Amazon, not OmniGroup that's gathering the information. (And that's only if you allow cookies, etc.). Thus, the browser itself cannot be considered "spyware" since *it* isn't doing the spying per se.

iTunes, by comparison, reports to the company that wrote the program.

I'm not saying iTunes *is* spyware, just that it might be similar enough for Jobs to want to avoid making the comparison.

the iTMS, and web browsers simply *log* data. The data can be analyized however. To me, this is fair game. This is no different than any other kind of market analysis (e.g. Walmart checking out what people are buying at their store), right?

Spyware is intrusive software that will cripple your internet connection (often times), throw unwanted advertising in your face (pop-up ads), *and* phone home about your surfing habits.

Finally, the reason so many of us get annoyed with threads posted in the wrong forum is because it leads to (1) duplication, and (2) crowding of the topics we actually came to the forum to discuss. And iPond (here's your "flame") it doesn't matter where *you* think the thread belongs, the guidelines, if you'd bother to read them, clearly state that the OS X forum is for OS topics *only* - Software discussion belongs in the software forum. [/B]

Are you a moderator? How many people do we need policing these forums? If I chronically posted in the wrong forum, I could see your argument and it would be good to notify a moderator/admin about. It is still quite debatable that I've posted in the wrong forum. Yet, there are still people getting their knickers in a bunch and complaining about how I've wasted their time by wasting their own time to point out how I have wasted theirs.

cpac · Dec 13, 2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by besson3c:
Spyware is intrusive software that will cripple your internet connection (often times), throw unwanted advertising in your face (pop-up ads), *and* phone home about your surfing habits.

No kidding.

This is why I said I did NOT think iTunes was spyware. My point was only that if Jobs says "don't use Kazaa - spyware" (which is the topic of the thread) then uneducated people might point out ways in which iTunes gathers information ("spys"). I'm not saying those people would be right, but only that this was a reason for Jobs not to make this point.

Are you a moderator? How many people do we need policing these forums?

No I'm not. Clearly they could use some help though as people continue to post in the wrong places.

It is still quite debatable that I've posted in the wrong forum.

Not even a little bit debatable. Ever read the *sticky* thread at the top of this forum?

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=159477

That's assuming this thread is even about software, which it isn't.

Yet, there are still people getting their knickers in a bunch and complaining about how I've wasted their time by wasting their own time to point out how I have wasted theirs.

Again, people asked why I and others care, and all I did was explain why we do.