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Buckaroo · Dec 16, 2003, 10:21 PM

Today I turned on my computer turned around for a few seconds to move something from my desk to a shelf and when I turned around, Panther was up and ready to rock.

That was fast. It couldn't have been more than 10 seconds.

gorickey · Dec 16, 2003, 10:24 PM

It's even faster on my 2.0 GHz "Dually"...

Scientist · Dec 16, 2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
Today I turned on my computer turned around for a few seconds to move something from my desk to a shelf and when I turned around, Panther was up and ready to rock.

That was fast. It couldn't have been more than 10 seconds.

Wow, that is fast. Are you sure it actually restarted and didn't just go in and out of sleep? Could it have just done a quick login and logout? Why don't you shut down and restart your computer again to see how fast it goes.

SSharon · Dec 17, 2003, 01:36 AM

My MDD is faster, I leave it on 24/7.

(I really want a G5)

barbarian · Dec 17, 2003, 01:30 PM

I have a single 1.8 G5 and I found it's gotten faster at booting over time.

When I first got it, it took almost a 70 seconds to boot. Now after a few months that is down to about 25 seconds.

If anything the system has gotten more complicated since I first got it...

Hot file clustering maybe?

ryaxnb · Dec 17, 2003, 01:31 PM

Who the hey shuts down anyway?

Scientist · Dec 17, 2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by barbarian:
I have a single 1.8 G5 and I found it's gotten faster at booting over time.

When I first got it, it took almost a 70 seconds to boot. Now after a few months that is down to about 25 seconds.

If anything the system has gotten more complicated since I first got it...

Hot file clustering maybe?

Whoa, that would be cool. Anyone else any similar experiences?

As I understand it Microsoft heavily optimizes the location of components on the hardisk, which is part of the reason why windows loads so much faster than OS X or linux. Does anyone know if Apple may have done some similar optimizations?

BTW, my powerbook reboots in 50 seconds which is the fastest I've personally seen an OS X based mac bootup.

diamondsw · Dec 17, 2003, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Scientist:
Whoa, that would be cool. Anyone else any similar experiences?

As I understand it Microsoft heavily optimizes the location of components on the hardisk, which is part of the reason why windows loads so much faster than OS X or linux. Does anyone know if Apple may have done some similar optimizations?

BTW, my powerbook reboots in 50 seconds which is the fastest I've personally seen an OS X based mac bootup.

I never heard of Microsoft doing it, but the hotfile clustering and auto-defragmentation were quiet little Panther features people were talking up about a month ago. Yup, it's in there.

Scientist · Dec 17, 2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by diamondsw:
I never heard of Microsoft doing it, but the hotfile clustering and auto-defragmentation were quiet little Panther features people were talking up about a month ago. Yup, it's in there.

Thanks.

So hotfile clustering is similar to what I heard microsoft did? So is this something that runs in the background which makes the bootup faster over time? This seems a little odd.

Sage · Dec 17, 2003, 06:52 PM

I get ridiculously fast boot up times with Panther (on my 600mhz iBook!)... usually ~20 seconds. A very, very far cry from the 2 minutes it used to take for Jaguar to boot for me (dunno why it took that long, but it doesn't matter now!

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Buckaroo · Dec 17, 2003, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Scientist:
Whoa, that would be cool. Anyone else any similar experiences?

As I understand it Microsoft heavily optimizes the location of components on the hardisk, which is part of the reason why windows loads so much faster than OS X or linux. Does anyone know if Apple may have done some similar optimizations?

BTW, my powerbook reboots in 50 seconds which is the fastest I've personally seen an OS X based mac bootup.

I don't know about your windows machine, but mine at work takes almost 5 minutes to boot up. It is win2k.

Scientist · Dec 17, 2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
I don't know about your windows machine, but mine at work takes almost 5 minutes to boot up. It is win2k.

Yea, 2000 is extremely slow but ME and XP are might fast.

RayX · Dec 17, 2003, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Scientist:
Yea, 2000 is extremely slow but ME and XP are might fast.

That isn't 100% true.
Windows XP basically lets you login before all services have finished starting. So I guess you could stay it's still booting, even though you have logged in.

You can change this behavior by going to local Group Policy, (run gpedit.msc), then Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Logon and enable 'Always wait for the network at computer startup and logon'. Then restart, you'll notice XP doesn't start up much faster than 2000.

This setting is needed in corporate environments that have scripts and Group Policies (etc) being applied to the system, otherwise users can logon before all settings have been applied and other problems like that.

But for 'home' users, it shouldn't be an issue.

Also, leave 9x/ME out of it, as they are a completely different OS to NT (2000 and XP) and should not be compared.