[macintologist]

Ugh this is horrible. Panther 10.3 was awesome. It as truly fast and stable for me and that's cool since it was a first release. I didn't see any beachballs or anything.

Then I upgraded to 10.3.2 and now my PB 12" fan is always on (utterly annoying) and boot times are much slower, and now I'm starting to feel the Jag slowness again. This is terrible. I hope Apple releases 10.3.3 to solve the current fan and boot problems rather than add more.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Ugh this is horrible. Panther 10.3 was awesome. It as truly fast and stable for me and that's cool since it was a first release. I didn't see any beachballs or anything.

Then I upgraded to 10.3.2 and now my PB 12" fan is always on (utterly annoying) and boot times are much slower, and now I'm starting to feel the Jag slowness again. This is terrible. I hope Apple releases 10.3.3 to solve the current fan and boot problems rather than add more.

Maybe you need to apply the "patch" described Here for the startup speed and do a little clean up with software like exposé.

10.3.2 feels nice on my Ti 800

[macintologist]

Little "Patch"?

I shouldn't have to be doing any of that terminal stuff. Are we back in the command-line 70's world?

Apple should make 10.3.3 fix all these slow boot problems. No Mac user should have to use the terminal once to bring back the speed of the original Panther release.

[TheSpaz]

I am really soo sick of people BITCHING about start-up times. That makes me sick. Who CARES about start up times? Do what I do... OS X is stable enough to leave on for weeks at a time.

I leave my iBook on CONSTANTLY. Seriously... it doesn't even go to sleep. It's always active and on. I've never had a problem with this computer, I haven't even had my display break (like so many other iBooks).

Anyways... I never shutdown or boot up. So, I think the performance of startup speed doesn't matter.

As for the hack... people shouldn't have to hack their computers to get back what they used to have. Apple annoys me with this all the time. I used to like how folder windows would just pop open. Now they zoom open. So I used the terminal to turn that zooming crap off. Knock it off Apple... I liked my computer the way it was. Then again... If they kept it the same way, people would get bored and tired of the OS. Anyways... that's another forum.

This post is long enough. I'm done.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Little "Patch"?

I shouldn't have to be doing any of that terminal stuff. Are we back in the command-line 70's world?

Apple should make 10.3.3 fix all these slow boot problems. No Mac user should have to use the terminal once to bring back the speed of the original Panther release.

Weel, if you don't want to use the terminal patch provided here by apple until 10.3.3 or something is released, then don't ask
Terminal is part of MacOS X, and as soon as you'll be using it, you'll think it's very powerfull

[mindwaves]

A little AS patch:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/13672

[mikerally]

Then I upgraded to 10.3.2 and now my PB 12" fan is always on (utterly annoying) and boot times are much slower, and now I'm starting to feel the Jag slowness again. This is terrible. I hope Apple releases 10.3.3 to solve the current fan and boot problems rather than add mor

There a patches available to fix both these problems, you don't have to use the terminal, people have posted scripts and installers that fix these problems automatically.

Search the forum, you'll find these two problems have already been covered at depth.

I am really soo sick of people BITCHING about start-up times. That makes me sick. Who CARES about start up times? Do what I do... OS X is stable enough to leave on for weeks at a time.

Startup times do matter, particularly if you're a network administrator who has to administer an upgrade to 100-250 machines that require a reboot.

I'm afraid you are seriously mistaken if you think startup times don't matter simply because they don't matter to you. People find themselves having to work with Macintosh computers in many different scenarios and environments that you may have not envisaged.

Why don't you try to keep an open mind?

I'll also explain further to the reasoning to this guy's complaint. When I ran Mac OS X version 10.3.0 and 10.3.1 my 12 inch Powerbook would reach the desktop ready to go within a minute flat, with 10.3.2 that time doubled to two minutes. His complaint is if a computer could boot in 1 minute in 10.3.1 why does it take 2 minutes in 10.3.2 which IMHO is fair enough. And the truth was it was a bug, I installed the fix and the machine booted up within a minuted again - so it was a bug, his complaint was justified.

As for the hack... people shouldn't have to hack their computers to get back what they used to have. Apple annoys me with this all the time. I used to like how folder windows would just pop open. Now they zoom open. So I used the terminal to turn that zooming crap off. Knock it off Apple... I liked my computer the way it was. Then again... If they kept it the same way, people would get bored and tired of the OS. Anyways... that's another forum.

Whine, whine, whine, and you're sick of other people bitching?

If you don't like what Apple is doing, then don't upgrade nobody is forcing you to, stick with Jaguar if that is what you like.

[JLL]

Originally posted by TheSpaz:
I used to like how folder windows would just pop open. Now they zoom open. So I used the terminal to turn that zooming crap off. Knock it off Apple... I liked my computer the way it was.

Zooming has been part of the Mac since at least System 7 as far as I remember, but instead of showing an outline it now shows the 'real' window.

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by TheSpaz:

Anyways... I never shutdown or boot up. So, I think the performance of startup speed doesn't matter.

I bet that you indeed do shutdown and boot. I don't know how you cannot.
NEVER is the wrong term to use here. That said, my dual 867, and two cubes are shutdown and booted very infrequently. I also don't see the long boot times that people are reporting. To those that frequently do, the performance matters to them.

[absmiths]

Originally posted by SMacTech:
I bet that you indeed do shutdown and boot. I don't know how you cannot.
NEVER is the wrong term to use here. That said, my dual 867, and two cubes are shutdown and booted very infrequently. I also don't see the long boot times that people are reporting. To those that frequently do, the performance matters to them.

Yes, but if the boot time is merely 2 minutes instead of 1 then it's a bit of a stretch to get so upset about it. My W2K machine takes about that long to get to the login screen (933 mHz).

My old OS 9 machine took 15+ minutes to boot when I accidentally enabled DHCP on it - that was a pisser.

Anyway - good luck finding a software company that doesn't release software with bugs in it (even TESTED software!)

[macintologist]

mindwaves - Hey that patch was great! Thanks a lot! OK I'm not so pissed anymore since my PB is back to normal. Now I want Apple to allow me to control at what temp does the fan turn on. It used to turn on at 60°C which meant that it would only turn on when you played games. Now it turns on at 51°C!! So you'll be working on Safari, Mail, iChat, watching a SteveNote and all of a sudden <vvvvroooooom>>>>>>shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hehehe. It's really annoying when you're not listening to music and in a quiet room especially. At Starbucks it really doesn't matter and it DOES keep the PB cool which is nice.

edit - Question: Should I "unpatch" using that program before upgrading to 10.3.3?

[alphasubzero949]

Originally posted by macintologist:

edit - Question: Should I "unpatch" using that program before upgrading to 10.3.3?

Hopefully that program created a symbolic link and not copied the BootCacheControl file.

Do this:

Navigate to /usr/sbin and check to see if there's a file (alias) called BootCacheControl. If it's an alias then you shouldn't have to worry about 'unpatching' the system.