[chrisutley]

I finally got my Bro to switch to Mac, but he's bummed because when he grows windows they don't expand to full screen similar to the Windows behavior.

Anybody know of anything he could download to enable this kind of behavior?

[Developer]

Get used to it.

[Nebagakid]

Originally posted by Developer:
Get used to it.

good one....


yeah, get used to it. Once you realize how great the Mac UI is, you will realize it kicks ass.

[darkcore]

Originally posted by chrisutley:
I finally got my Bro to switch to Mac, but he's bummed because when he grows windows they don't expand to full screen similar to the Windows behavior.

Anybody know of anything he could download to enable this kind of behavior?

Tell him to start holding the option key when he tries to maximize a window, this will give the desired effect.

[chrisutley]

Originally posted by Developer:
Get used to it.

Stupid ****ing moron. What happened to Mac users? Use to be a friendly crowd of intelligent people. Now it seems people like this euro-fag are everywhere.

[chrisutley]

Originally posted by darkcore:
Tell him to start holding the option key when he tries to maximize a window, this will give the desired effect.

Thanks for the tip, but that doesn't seem to work for me in Panther.

[darkcore]

Dang, could have swore that used to work in Jaguar, guess it no longer works in Panther.

[CharlesS]

While the "Get used to it" post was pretty rude, it is true that maximizing windows is an inefficient way to work. Although Exposé makes it easier to have full-screen windows and be able to drag and drop between them, it's still easier to have some extra space left over to drag things to the Desktop or other windows if you can afford it.

Think about it in MS Word, for example - you don't get to type in more than a certain width of the screen, because of the ruler and the margins. Making the window any wider than it needs to be is a waste of space (even the default width for a window in the Mac version of Word is often too wide).

[chabig]

Yes. Why buy a big monitor if you're going to waste it all on one big window? The Windows behavior has always been wrong, in this regard, as a result of the whole parent-child window arrangement Microsoft adopted in the beginning.

Explain to your brother why the Mac is the way it is, and why it's better. In a little while he will adapt to the better way.

Chris

[Judge_Fire]

Sometimes going full screen is desireable, because it hides everything else; there's less visual clutter on screen.

This hasn't yet been perfectly solved in Mac OS X. Pro apps, such as Photoshop, usually provide their own methods.

If this is what you seek, you can try these two euro-faggish suggestions:

- 'Hide others' from the app's menu (shortcuts: cmd+opt-click an applications dock icon or hit cmd-opt-H)

- Download FocusLayer. It doesn't work perfectly with Panther, but this is The Way Things Ought To Be. You may need to fiddle with the prefs and save, if it doesn't work right away.

J

[Esquare]

Originally posted by chrisutley:
Now it seems people like this euro-fag are everywhere.

Americans... No sense of humour. Uh... humor.

[fisherKing]

i've been using dockblock to disable the dock.

then i drag windows fullscreen, or use palettes and toolbars fullscreen.

nice!

[chrisutley]

My response probably didn't fit the crime, but I'm sick of this kind of BS. I mean I might as well be posting at SpyMac.

I really didn't want to debate whether or not the feature is worthwhile, just wanted to see if there was something that would provide this functionality. I'm guessing there is, so I'll keep looking.

[chabig]

I'm guessing there is, so I'll keep looking.

I don't think there is. It's really not a desirable feature. It's like trading up from a Chevette to a Cadillac and then complaining because you miss the road noise.

Chris

[dtriska]

Originally posted by chrisutley:
Stupid ****ing moron. What happened to Mac users? Use to be a friendly crowd of intelligent people. Now it seems people like this euro-fag are everywhere.

Once you've contributed one-tenth of what Developer has, then you can complain about his style.

Loser.

[Insecure bone]

I understand when you transition from one system to another, it's hard to get used to a new thing. Especially resizing windows vs. full screen windows. I think, pherhaps, after your brother learns all the vast features and different ways about doing things in a Mac, that he might forget the drawback of fullscreen windows. I too, had difficulties when I switched. Like...how on earth do I eject a CD?! But that soon became a thing of the past. If he has Panther on his computer, tell him to try that out!

[iTron]

Originally posted by dtriska:
Once you've contributed one-tenth of what Developer has, then you can complain about his style.

Loser.

I fail to see how, having a bunch of posts on a board or even helping a bunch of people out with their questions gives Developer the right to be a jerk about it. His answer was rude and served no purpose at all except to pad a post count. Can you tell me what he contributed by saying get used to it? The response by chrisutley was kinda harsh also, but he came on the board with a question and the first response he got was a rude one so i can understand that a little.

[gorickey]

The question has been answered people....move along, move along....

[splatq]

before moving along, from my (unfinished) web site:

"the "drag and drop" paradigm is far more advanced under the mac os than most operating systems. because the macintosh doesn't use the traditional "multiple document interface" that windows uses (where applications expand to fill the entire screen), dragging text, pictures, email and web links and dropping them onto other applications becomes second nature. macintosh users are accustomed to bouncing between applications readily while most windows applications seem to be designed for exclusive, one-at-a-time use. because of apple's anchored toolbars and global menubar, switching between applications is easy, efficient and provides a constant, consistent user experience."

yeah...

[chabig]

Very well said.

[Amorya]

Originally posted by chrisutley:
Thanks for the tip, but that doesn't seem to work for me in Panther.

The key you hold down is shift, not option.

Amorya

[ryju]

Originally posted by Amorya:
The key you hold down is shift, not option.

Amorya

Doesn't work with Safari, in fact it never did. It was always option. And that doesn't work either.

[RooneyX]

Windows' maximize behavior was based on spreadsheets and presentations. Office workers needed to see them full screen.

On the Mac it was mostly graphics work being done so maximizing to full screen wasn't has helpful as fitting the window to the document size.

Also, Mac users like seeing the desktop when working on a foreground app because they like to keep the desktop littered with files. Windows has its own background workspace for each application because for many years Windows didn't have a proper desktop and users got used to keeping files in subfolders instead.