[xe0]

The seed is labeled build 7F32 and is Apple's second widespread seed of the Panther update. In a seed note, Apple provided a brief list of "major areas of change." The list of updated components included Core OS, Carbon, Cocoa, Printing, USB, Graphics and Imaging, and High Level Toolbox. Apple also recommended that developers focus their testing efforts on FireWire, USB, audio/sound, and graphics, including OpenGL games.

Think secret has it

I hope they get OpenGL games running smoothly... Every openGL game I have is incredibly unstable.

[voodoo]

Ah yes. I read this this morning on thinksecret. I'd imagine 10.3.3 is very close to release.

[TheSpaz]

I hope 10.3.3 speeds up games. Sheesh.

[Webscreamer]

Originally posted by TheSpaz:
I hope 10.3.3 speeds up games. Sheesh.

I just hope it fixes BUGS!

[Vpro7]

Bug fixes would be nice, I'm holding out for a Firewire fix, been causing me pain no end.

[fizzlemynizzle]

i thought the firewire problem was with the firmware on certain fw800 drives, not panther..

[SMacTech]

Well I installed it and it stuck at Login window starting up. This is the first developer build to not work for me in over a year. So I am reinstalling 10.3 all over again and will try again.

[gorickey]

Originally posted by SMacTech:
Well I installed it and it stuck at Login window starting up. This is the first developer build to not work for me in over a year.

Awesome, sounds like all the bugs have been fixed...

[Eug]

Any reference to a new G5 Power Mac model in there somewhere?

[Vpro7]

Originally posted by fizzlemynizzle:
i thought the firewire problem was with the firmware on certain fw800 drives, not panther..

There seems to be a whole host of new problems with Firewire and Panther. It's really bugging me just now, cause when I try to copy stuff to an ext. firewire drive, my machine just stutters, iTunes skips, etc. I've read here, and over in ArsTechnica with people who have similar issues, and it seems to cover varying devices, the connection being the firewire bus and Panther.

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Awesome, sounds like all the bugs have been fixed...

I reinstalled 10.3 and then installed Java 1.4.2, applied the 10.3.3 update and it worked this time. Don't know what the problem was before. Now I have to go get PithHelmet, because the freakin' animated GIFs put the system to a crawl.

[gorickey]

Originally posted by SMacTech:
....the 10.3.3 update and it worked this time.

Any major improvements you see? Bugs that have been squashed?

[k2director]

I hope networking gets a thourough polishing. Lately, I haven't been able to copy files from one Mac to another via the Network icon in the Finder. Drag files to another machine's volume, and nothing happens.

Then there are the occasions when I simply can't see certain volumes on a networked machine.

And then there's the disappearing iDisk when I'm working remotely at Starbucks, but don't log into their Hotspot net (ie, if Panther sees a wireless connection, but you don't actually log into it, it starts to lose iDisk contents). You have to turn off Airport to prevent it from happening.

In other words, lots of stuff to fix...

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Any major improvements you see? Bugs that have been squashed?

Yes, but it failed on my MDD 867 in the same way as my cube at work. But they were both updated from 10.3.3, the version that was pulled. I thought the other was a fluke, but 2 for 2 is the score. Hangs at Login window starting.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by SMacTech:
But they were both updated from 10.3.3...

*ding* *ding* *ding* *ding*

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
*ding* *ding* *ding* *ding*

Your point is what? It was a valid upgrade from the previous developer release. A combo updater from 10.3.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by SMacTech:
Your point is what? It was a valid upgrade from the previous developer release. A combo updater from 10.3.

You updated from 10.3.3 7F24 to 10.3.3 7F32 and expected everything to run smoothly?

Smooth upgrades are expected between public releases but expecting it to work between dev builds is a tad much, IMO. Anyways...

You might as well comment about the new 10.3.3 changes now that you've broken the NDA...assuming you were under NDA.

[Angus_D]

I hear they finally removed the debug code in this build

[gorickey]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
I hear they finally removed the debug code in this build

You are mistaken, that was in the Dev Build of 9.2.2.3 due out in a few weeks...

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
You updated from 10.3.3 7F24 to 10.3.3 7F32 and expected everything to run smoothly?

Smooth upgrades are expected between public releases but expecting it to work between dev builds is a tad much, IMO. Anyways...

You might as well comment about the new 10.3.3 changes now that you've broken the NDA...assuming you were under NDA.

I didn't comment about the changes. I never stated what I expected, only what I experienced. I digress...

[iPond317]

Originally posted by Vpro7:
There seems to be a whole host of new problems with Firewire and Panther. It's really bugging me just now, cause when I try to copy stuff to an ext. firewire drive, my machine just stutters, iTunes skips, etc. I've read here, and over in ArsTechnica with people who have similar issues, and it seems to cover varying devices, the connection being the firewire bus and Panther.

Yeah, the Oxford 911 problem is minor now compared to what has been going on with other users. Try using a computer that freaks out whenever there is access to an external FireWire drive (mouse jumps everywhere, audio skips or slows down and sounds like shyte!) Come on 10.3.3!!!!

[Vader’s Pinch of Death]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
I hear they finally removed the debug code in this build

That gem never gets old

[MindFad]

Originally posted by Vader’s Pinch of Death:
That gem never gets old

Not like your posts anyway, sweety.

[Big Mac]

Originally posted by iPond317:
Yeah, the Oxford 911 problem is minor now compared to what has been going on with other users. Try using a computer that freaks out whenever there is access to an external FireWire drive (mouse jumps everywhere, audio skips or slows down and sounds like shyte!) Come on 10.3.3!!!!

Well, I wouldn't call data corruption and loss a less significant issue than the one we're experiencing now. Nonetheless, the current Firewire pointer gittering bug is quite bothersome. I don't rely on Firewire, but certainly many do for their daily work. It's the primary high speed connection method, and it needs to function properly.

[Samanoske]

hopefully they fix the Bluetooth ...

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Samanoske:
hopefully they fix the Bluetooth ...

What's wrong with Bluetooth?

Mine has been working perfectly...

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
What's wrong with Bluetooth?

Mine has been working perfectly...

So does mine, as well as networking to SMB and AFP servers, so does FireWire, Printer Sharing work fine with 10.3.2. However, just because it works for you, doesn't mean there isn't a problem for someone else.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by Vader’s Pinch of Death:
That gem never gets old

It's just my way of poking fun at all the $lusers that go OOOH LOOK NEW BUILD OF A MINOR POINT RELEASE *DROOL*

[kugino]

Originally posted by iPond317:
Yeah, the Oxford 911 problem is minor now compared to what has been going on with other users. Try using a computer that freaks out whenever there is access to an external FireWire drive (mouse jumps everywhere, audio skips or slows down and sounds like shyte!) Come on 10.3.3!!!!

man, i really hope this is fixed in 10.3.3. what a pain in the arse trying to copy multiple folders...have to do it one at a time b/c of that stupid firewire problem...

[Glenstorm]

Originally posted by k2director:
I hope networking gets a thourough polishing. Lately, I haven't been able to copy files from one Mac to another via the Network icon in the Finder. Drag files to another machine's volume, and nothing happens.

Then there are the occasions when I simply can't see certain volumes on a networked machine.

And then there's the disappearing iDisk when I'm working remotely at Starbucks, but don't log into their Hotspot net (ie, if Panther sees a wireless connection, but you don't actually log into it, it starts to lose iDisk contents). You have to turn off Airport to prevent it from happening.

In other words, lots of stuff to fix...

Here, Here!!

[heyriddle]

Originally posted by iPond317:
Yeah, the Oxford 911 problem is minor now compared to what has been going on with other users. Try using a computer that freaks out whenever there is access to an external FireWire drive (mouse jumps everywhere, audio skips or slows down and sounds like shyte!) Come on 10.3.3!!!!

I have a peculiar firewire problem too. When I have my Western Digital Drive plugged in I cannot use Installer. It will not go past the continue button on the user agreement section. Also, I cannot launch Disk Utility. It loads and then right before it is done there is an error message that reads Disk Utility loaded properly but cannot continue. (or something strange like that) If it loaded properly there would not be an error message!

Anyway, I have a Maxtor firewire drive that does not have these issues. It must have something to do with the Firmware version or chipset in the drive. Oh Yea, Sytem Profiler doesn't work either.

I have to restart without the offending drive to reset things back to normal.

It took me a while to figure this issue out. I reformatted the internal drive and reinstalled everything, just to get the same problem again.

[Vader’s Pinch of Death]

I just want them to fix bloody Networking! JUST FIX THE DAMN BUSTED UP NETWORKING!

[Zimphire]

I wish they would allow you to upload to FTP sites from the Finder.

[solitere]

Originally posted by Vader’s Pinch of Death:
I just want them to fix bloody Networking! JUST FIX THE DAMN BUSTED UP NETWORKING!

Bump! Networking in 10.3 is fuXXXX up!

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Glenstorm:
Here, Here!!

If you're going to bold those words, at least spell them correctly.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I wish they would allow you to upload to FTP sites from the Finder.

This is the one thing that windows xp does great. Much easier IMHO than opening a program or busting out the terminal to upload 20+ items... Especially when they are large images.

[Short Circuit]

Bah, FTP in Mac OS X is a joke!

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by djohnson:
This is the one thing that windows xp does great. Much easier IMHO than opening a program or busting out the terminal to upload 20+ items... Especially when they are large images.

Just use Dreamweaver.
What's the problem?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Just use Dreamweaver.
What's the problem?

That costs money?

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
It's just my way of poking fun at all the $lusers that go OOOH LOOK NEW BUILD OF A MINOR POINT RELEASE *DROOL*

Panther is not a minor point release.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
Panther is not a minor point release.

10.3.3?

what?

[alex_kac]

Originally posted by Short Circuit:
Bah, FTP in Mac OS X is a joke!

I don't see how. The command line ftp works great!

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
10.3.3?

what?

I read it as "new build [10.3.3] of a minor point release [10.3]."

After reading it again, I see that he could have been referring to the new build 7F32 of the bug fix release 10.3.3, but I read it that way because to my understanding 7F32 was the first build of 10.3.3 that's been leaked, so what this thread is about is information about 10.3.3. And also because I'm just really sick of hearing people refer to Panther (or Jaguar before it) as a 'minor point release'.

[jonsaw]

Originally posted by heyriddle:
I have a peculiar firewire problem too. When I have my Western Digital Drive plugged in I cannot use Installer. It will not go past the continue button on the user agreement section....I have a Maxtor firewire drive that does not have these issues. It must have something to do with the Firmware version or chipset in the drive....I reformatted the internal drive and reinstalled everything, just to get the same problem again.

But did you initialize your Western Digital Firewire drive? That fixes some Firewire problems for some people. I'd say use Disk Utility's "zero all data" option, since on rare occasion, much to my surprise, I've had to use that option to fix drives that just wouldn't work right when I simply erased/initialized them without this option, either under OS 9 or OS X.

Other things that fix a lot of Firewire problems:
¥ Disconnect the Western Digital Firewire drive, then reset the Mac's PRAM/NVRAM (do a Command-Option-P-R from powerup, not just from restart). Sometimes, if you leave a Firewire device connected when you reset the NVRAM/PRAM and Open Firmware, it prevents the scrambled settings from being reset.
¥ Reset Open Firmware (at powerup, before the screen lights, hold down Command-Option-O-F until the Open Firmware screen appears, then enter:
set-defaults
reset-all
¥ Press the logic board's reset button
¥ If your Western Digital Firewire drive has the ability to be powered from its own power adapter, rather than the Firewire bus, try the power adapter
¥ If you haven't repaired the permissions on all the volumes that contain an installation of OS X, try it and see what happens. Some people find this fixes Firewire problems when files associated with Firewire don't have the right permissions. While you're at it, repair all volume's directories.
¥ A flaky RAM board could be causing trouble for one drive, but not another. Remove all but one RAM board and see what happens.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
I read it as "new build [10.3.3] of a minor point release [10.3]."

After reading it again, I see that he could have been referring to the new build 7F32 of the bug fix release 10.3.3, but I read it that way because to my understanding 7F32 was the first build of 10.3.3 that's been leaked, so what this thread is about is information about 10.3.3.

This is the second leaked build. The first one was pulled due to a critical issue with 20" iMacs.

Originally posted by CharlesS:
And also because I'm just really sick of hearing people refer to Panther (or Jaguar before it) as a 'minor point release'.

Granted. (In board tradition, I should probably spell that "granite". )

-s*

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
This is the second leaked build. The first one was pulled due to a critical issue with 20" iMacs.
Granted. (In board tradition, I should probably spell that "granite". )

-s*

What do you mean leaked build? It's a developer release available for download to select and premium subscribers.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by SMacTech:
What do you mean leaked build? It's a developer release available for download to select and premium subscribers.

same thing (once non-developers get their hands on it).

[CatOne]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
same thing (once non-developers get their hands on it).

If you wanna be a guinea pig and pirate, feel free. And of course bitch loudly if you find problems, and blame Apple if your machine starts acting strangely :/

[VValdo]

ever since updating to 10.3 I've had this problme where when I first login, the screen is perfectly stable... but after a while of usage-- especially when loading pages with Flash, I think, the screen starts to flicker-- literally kind of jumping, as if there were a loose wire or something in the LCD. So it seems like a hardware probelm right? But if I log out and log back in, it's gone again.

In fact, I can make the screen "jump" just by loading certain flash pages. For example, loading http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtm...S_FEATURE.html makes the screen "jitter" every time it loads the cache with new media.

No clue what it is, but here's to hoping 10.3.3 fixes it.

(Tibook 667 btw.. 10.3.2)

W

[booboo]

Is mLAN re-instated?

(Minority interest pro-audio splinter-group . . . )