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Will McGoonigle · Jun 1, 2004, 07:35 PM

Is there? My machine is an Alu 17 Rev A.

CharlesS · Jun 1, 2004, 08:07 PM

Nope.

wataru · Jun 1, 2004, 08:15 PM

It's not that your system doesn't support OS 9, it's that OS 9 doesn't support your system. The limitation is not an artificial one; it's just that OS 9 needs to be modified to support new hardware, and Apple isn't updating OS 9 anymore.

mitchell_pgh · Jun 1, 2004, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Is there? My machine is an Alu 17 Rev A.

Sorry, welcome to the wonderful world of OS X.

Brass · Jun 1, 2004, 10:37 PM

Can you use Classic in OS X to run your OS 9 applications?

Superchicken · Jun 2, 2004, 12:03 AM

The iBook 900 was the best portable to run OS 9 on. Either that or a 15 inch Ti.

wataru · Jun 2, 2004, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Brass:
Can you use Classic in OS X to run your OS 9 applications?

Of course.

jasong · Jun 2, 2004, 07:05 AM

I've got a hack that will do it. Just send me your machine and I can apply the hack. But be warned, part of this hack means shrinking your screen by about 2 inches and replacing the laptops skin with Titanium.

-- Jason

turtle777 · Jun 2, 2004, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by jasong:
I've got a hack that will do it.
-- Jason

Hardware hack... *lol*

I got a hack, too.
I will even give you $ 300 to apply the hack (iBook) to your Powerbook

-t

paully dub · Jun 2, 2004, 02:03 PM

Jaguar'll do it. Remember Jaguar?

wataru · Jun 2, 2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by paully dub:
Jaguar'll do it. Remember Jaguar?

The ability to boot OS 9 has nothing to do with OS X. So no, Jaguar will not do it on a machine that isn't supported by OS 9.

Millennium · Jun 2, 2004, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Is there? My machine is an Alu 17 Rev A.

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Theoretically, if someone versed in writing System Enablers (a relatively ancient technology from the days of System 7, but theoretically it should still work) were to delve into the Darwin source and, using it as documentation, write an enabler file for OS9, you might be able to do something. Of course, this depends entirely on a more or less completely undocumented technology that may not even work in OS9 anymore.

Do you have an app which neither runs in Classic mode nor has an OSX version?

Art Vandelay · Jun 2, 2004, 04:23 PM

IIRC, the firmware has also been modified to not allow booting from OS 9. If you install OS 9 on an OS X only Mac, you can't even select it as the startup OS. OS X's startup disk pref pane won't present it as an option. Also, the startup manager (booting with option held) won't present it as an option either.

Further, if you were able to create a system enabler and managed to get it to boot, a lot of the hardware on your Mac wouldn't function. There is no AirPort Extreme, Bluetooth, FireWire 800, or USB2 support in OS 9.

paully dub · Jun 2, 2004, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
The ability to boot OS 9 has nothing to do with OS X. So no, Jaguar will not do it on a machine that isn't supported by OS 9.

Doh, I forgot they pulled the plug on OS 9 a long time ago. And here I am still forced to use it 20 percent of the time. Cheap ****ers at the office...

CharlesS · Jun 2, 2004, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by paully dub:
Doh, I forgot they pulled the plug on OS 9 a long time ago. And here I am still forced to use it 20 percent of the time. Cheap ****ers at the office...

Why is that? Do you have to run some app that doesn't work in Classic or something?

paully dub · Jun 2, 2004, 05:43 PM

Nah, I'm just forced to work a few hours a week on these g4 towers with OS 9, and like 256 mb of RAM. Needless to say Illustrator laaaags....

Will McGoonigle · Jun 4, 2004, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
Why is that? Do you have to run some app that doesn't work in Classic or something?

No, I want to run a Carbon app in OS9 because it works like **** in OSX. I thought OS9 does support my machine? It's over a year old. How about booting OS9 off a firewire drive or something?

Mr. Blur · Jun 4, 2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
I thought OS9 does support my machine? It's over a year old. How about booting OS9 off a firewire drive or something?

none of the aluminum powerbooks support booting into os 9. an external firewire drive won't work either - it is essentially just another hard drive and its not the hard drive that prevents booting into os 9...the firewire device still needs the powerbook to boot up and the powerbook won't boot os 9.

JKT · Jun 4, 2004, 11:35 AM

If you do a Get Info on the app, does it have the option to run it in Classic? I don't know if they still do this, but AppleWorks used to have that option in the early OS X days.

FWIW, another block to booting OS 9 on the newer models is the lack of OS 9 drivers on the internal drives... not that this makes any difference, because it is impossible to boot in OS 9 anyway (even from external FW drives).

Millennium · Jun 4, 2004, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
No, I want to run a Carbon app in OS9 because it works like **** in OSX. I thought OS9 does support my machine? It's over a year old. How about booting OS9 off a firewire drive or something?

May I ask what app it is? You definitely have a Bad Carbon Port on your hands, however simply running it in OS9 may not fix the problem. If we knew what app you were trying to run we might be able to be of more assistance.

Also, keep in mind that not all Carbon apps can run in OS9. This one may not be able to do it either.

arcticmac · Jun 4, 2004, 03:10 PM

yeah... at least, as of 10.2.8, any app that can acutally run in classic will have a checkbox in it's info window to "open in classic environment"

wataru · Jun 4, 2004, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
No, I want to run a Carbon app in OS9 because it works like **** in OSX. I thought OS9 does support my machine? It's over a year old. How about booting OS9 off a firewire drive or something?

You're still not understanding the situation. OS 9 does not support your machine. Until it does (which it never will) you cannot boot in OS 9 on your machine.

hudson1 · Jun 4, 2004, 09:51 PM

As JKT posted above, if the application really can run in OS 9 in addition to X, then the Get Info window will display a checkbox that allows you to select "Open in the Classic environment". For practical purposes, this is essentially the same thing as running the application with the computer booted into OS 9. Of course, there are some exceptions to that statement but it's a pretty good rule of thumb for all but the odd app that has to do something special at the hardware layer. I can't imagine that any app that could run under both 9 and X would not run under Classic as well. Give it a try.

CharlesS · Jun 4, 2004, 11:43 PM

What's the app?

Will McGoonigle · Jun 5, 2004, 07:52 AM

Final Draft 7. Just tried it. Works even worse in Classic than OSX. Going back to v6.

Also, what do you mean OS9 doesn't support a Rev A 17 Powerbook? This machine is 15 months old now. Didn't it have dual boot back then (never tried)?

Spheric Harlot · Jun 5, 2004, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Also, what do you mean OS9 doesn't support a Rev A 17 Powerbook? This machine is 15 months old now. Didn't it have dual boot back then (never tried)?

No.

The Titanium Powerbooks were the last models to boot into OS 9.

One of the things they would have had to add to OS 9 but never did was built-in Bluetooth support (since all aluminium Powerbooks have Bluetooth). Also the new motherboard, with changed architecture/chipsets etc.

Support for these things was never added to OS 9 (since development of that was ended), so OS 9 does not support the Rev. A 17" Powerbook.

See?

-s*

Will McGoonigle · Jun 5, 2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
No.

The Titanium Powerbooks were the last models to boot into OS 9.

One of the things they would have had to add to OS 9 but never did was built-in Bluetooth support (since all aluminium Powerbooks have Bluetooth). Also the new motherboard, with changed architecture/chipsets etc.

Support for these things was never added to OS 9 (since development of that was ended), so OS 9 does not support the Rev. A 17" Powerbook.

See?

-s*

Right right. I thought Panther was responsible for upgrading the firmware that blocked OS9 from booting.

wataru · Jun 5, 2004, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Right right. I thought Panther was responsible for upgrading the firmware that blocked OS9 from booting.

Like I said several times already in this thread, OS 9 doesn't support your machine.

CharlesS · Jun 5, 2004, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Will McGoonigle:
Right right. I thought Panther was responsible for upgrading the firmware that blocked OS9 from booting.

Nope, I've got several old Macs that are dual-booting Panther and OS 9 just fine. Panther does not, in any way, block OS 9. The only thing that stops you from using OS 9 is that your hardware doesn't work with it. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

Now, if you really need to use OS 9, I suppose we could arrange a trade - my Pismo for your G4...