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stoneage · Jun 14, 2004, 04:19 PM

Aside from the obvious RAM upgrade and firmware updates, is there any other things I should be worried about in attempting this upgrade? Also, is there a tutorial that someone could point me to? Any help would be appreciated.

absmiths · Jun 14, 2004, 04:57 PM

Obviously you should be worried about if Jaguar will even install on a machine running 8.5. Also, I don't know if 8.5 supported Carbon or not, so that may mean a lot of application upgrades (trust me, you don't want to use Classic).

olePigeon · Jun 14, 2004, 05:17 PM

You need a beige G3 or newer, and a copy of XPostFacto. You will need to upgrade to Mac OS 9 if you intend to continue using Classic... or run a Mac emulator like Basilisk II.

stoneage · Jun 14, 2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by olePigeon:
You need a beige G3 or newer, and a copy of XPostFacto. You will need to upgrade to Mac OS 9 if you intend to continue using Classic... or run a Mac emulator like Basilisk II.

8.5 installed.
Machine ID: 406
Model: IMAC
Processor Info: Power PC G3
Speed: 333MHZ
RAM: J3/Bottom 32MB DIMM
J1/Top 128MB DIMM

wataru · Jun 14, 2004, 08:25 PM

Get more RAM. And get OS 9, but only if you need Classic. Otherwise, you're set.

Also, your sig is too tall.

mitchell_pgh · Jun 14, 2004, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
Get more RAM. And get OS 9, but only if you need Classic. Otherwise, you're set.

Also, your sig is too tall.

Sig Nazi!!!!!

BOT: Worry about your software. Make sure the top 5-7 applications are ported over. It's not worth jumping to Jaguar (you should go to panther if you can) if you are going to use classic versions of the applications.

I love OS X, but don't upgrade just to upgrade.

If you are basically surfing the web, email etc. you should be fine.

CharlesS · Jun 14, 2004, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by stoneage:
8.5 installed.
Machine ID: 406
Model: IMAC
Processor Info: Power PC G3
Speed: 333MHZ
RAM: J3/Bottom 32MB DIMM
J1/Top 128MB DIMM

That machine will run Panther just fine, no need for XPostFacto or anything. In fact, I recommend that you install Panther instead of Jaguar on that machine, as Panther is much better on G3 Macs. Jaguar is heavily optimized for the SIMD unit in the G4, and doesn't run as well on older machines. I think that Panther will run faster than Jaguar on your iMac.

posthumanus · Jun 15, 2004, 12:31 AM

but the firmware update is only on the jaguar CD (not Panther) and must be done prior to ditching classic and/or when booted in classic (not sure)

posthumanus

CharlesS · 01:21 AM

Originally posted by posthumanus:
but the firmware update is only on the jaguar CD (not Panther) and must be done prior to ditching classic and/or when booted in classic (not sure)

posthumanus

From the read me for the iMac firmware update:

About the iMac Firmware Update 4.1.9

The iMac Firmware Update 4.1.9 will only run on iMac computers with slot-loading CD or DVD drives running Mac OS 9.1 or later from a local drive.

IIRC, the iMac 333 didn't have a slot-loading drive.

chris_h · Jun 15, 2004, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by stoneage:
8.5 to Jaguar

what an appropriate username.

stoneage · Jun 15, 2004, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by chris_h:
what an appropriate username.

HEY!! You makin' fun of the old guy???
I got that nickname because I was the last one on our bike team to get a computer, and I never knew when the training rides were.
Actually, I am helping a bike messenger set up a shop. I have been on X forever.

Thanks for all the advice.

"Microsoft, AOL, and Qwest free since 2002."

mitchell_pgh · Jun 15, 2004, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by stoneage:
HEY!! You makin' fun of the old guy???
I got that nickname because I was the last one on our bike team to get a computer, and I never knew when the training rides were.
Actually, I am helping a bike messenger set up a shop. I have been on X forever.

Thanks for all the advice.

"Microsoft, AOL, and Qwest free since 2002."

You should now make the jump... Classic free since 2004

stoneage · Jun 15, 2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
You should now make the jump... Classic free since 2004

What is this 'Classic' you keep referring to?

wataru · Jun 15, 2004, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by stoneage:
What is this 'Classic' you keep referring to?

You can run OS 9 apps inside OS X, but without the nice OS X features like protected memory, double-buffered windows, or the Aqua theme. This is called "Classic" mode. Since running Classic is a drain of system resources and in general a pain in the ass, a lot of people try to move away from it as quickly as possible (hence the "Classic free since xxxx").

Classic is great for that one odd app that you just have to use but hasn't been updated for OS X. But it's really not a long-term solution. If you don't want to eventually upgrade all of your apps to newer, OS X-compatible versions, then I suggest you stick with OS 8.5.

stoneage · Jun 15, 2004, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
You can run OS 9 apps inside OS X, but without the nice OS X features like protected memory, double-buffered windows, or the Aqua theme. This is called "Classic" mode. Since running Classic is a drain of system resources and in general a pain in the ass, a lot of people try to move away from it as quickly as possible (hence the "Classic free since xxxx").

Classic is great for that one odd app that you just have to use but hasn't been updated for OS X. But it's really not a long-term solution. If you don't want to eventually upgrade all of your apps to newer, OS X-compatible versions, then I suggest you stick with OS 8.5.

uhhhh??... I know. I was just being a little sarcastic. I dumped all my Classic apps about 2 years ago also.

"Microsoft, AOL, Classic, and Qwest free since 2002."

wataru · Jun 15, 2004, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by stoneage:
uhhhh??... I know. I was just being a little sarcastic. I dumped all my Classic apps about 2 years ago also.

"Microsoft, AOL, Classic, and Qwest free since 2002."

Sorry, I only skimmed the middle posts. I thought you were new to OS X since you said you're upgrading from OS 8.5.

chris_h · Jun 15, 2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by stoneage:
HEY!! You makin' fun of the old guy???

Nah, you're from minneapolis.
A few months ago in the minneapolis airport a random girl randomly handed me a 10 euro note which i keep in my wallet to this day.

turtle777 · Jun 16, 2004, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by chris_h:
what an appropriate username.

I didn't even notice that...

Well, if that upgrade is not a time warp, then what...

-t

King Bob On The Cob · Jun 16, 2004, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
You can run OS 9 apps inside OS X, but without the nice OS X features like protected memory, double-buffered windows, or the Aqua theme. This is called "Classic" mode. Since running Classic is a drain of system resources and in general a pain in the ass, a lot of people try to move away from it as quickly as possible (hence the "Classic free since xxxx").

Classic is great for that one odd app that you just have to use but hasn't been updated for OS X. But it's really not a long-term solution. If you don't want to eventually upgrade all of your apps to newer, OS X-compatible versions, then I suggest you stick with OS 8.5.

Classic does do double buffering and does have rudimentary protected memory as of 10.3 (Try it, if you open Activity Viewer, you can usually kill a locked up classic application via the force quit available there [but not through the force quit available from Control-Option-Esc, alas] and it will allow the other tasks to take back over unlike the real classic days, where a lockup meant you were generally SOL)