[yoyoman]

lets start to list the new features in tiger

1 spot light
2 ichat av video
3 ichat audio
4 ichat interface like itunes list
5 safri rss
6 dashboard
7 automator
8 voice over ( not so good used it before the voices sux compared to like att web site)
9 .mac sync
10 enhanced unix support
11 64 bit os better 64 bit atvantage
12 xcode 2.0
http://images.appleinsider.com/images/tiger2.jpg
13 in system prefs stealth mode
14 firewall logging
15 block udp traffic
16 core video
17 core graphics
18 new quick time coco??!?!?
19 quick time mpeg4 part 10 the h.264 avc
20 so metadata you could say
21 i herd safari is faster 2.0
22 mail is better with smart thinggys
23 people say over all response is faster

[rag on a muffin]

24. new theme for overall appearance.

edit for clarity, its getting a little late for me.

[Ganesha]

25. No debug code.

[yoyoman]

26 has a min requirirment for core image and video.
27 all the windows intagration. better windows thinggys that should cover few.
can some one list a few

[zachs]

28.) Dock menus contain option to remove items.
29.) Help Viewer searches Apple KBase articles.
30.) iChat has support for inline groups.
31.) Support for profile editing in Chat.
32.) Menu in iChat for quickly switching between accounts.
33.) Share devices over the internet with .Mac.
34.) Mail - "Favorites" bar for mail folders.
35.) Extra options in Mail compose window.
36.) Mail - toggle automatic adding of iCal invites.
37.) QuickTime - live resizing.
38.) Safari - navigation in contextual menus.
39.) Safari - copy image addresses from context. menu
40.) Safari - add image to iPhoto by right-clicking
41.) Finder - renaming items in sidebar
42.) Context. menu for items in sidebar.
43.) Setup Assistant - options for transferring files & settings between computers.
44.) Finder - save search results as Smart Folders.

[yoyoman]

some one told me faster transfer rates with fw hd
does that count as 45 faster transfer with fw usb etc the plug thinggs i cant think at the moment.

[Sven G]

46. System-wide tabbed interface?

47. Considerably enhanced Dock?

48. Virtual workspaces in Exposé?

...

(BTW, here is a rather interesting OSNews article (written by a former BeOS software engineer) about Tiger and Steve's "reality distortion field": probably, few people would agree, but it poses some quite good questions, indeed...)

[yoyoman]

humm.. Im maxed out on what to think of .

[Superchicken]

I think spotlight counts as a whole wack of features

46 search in system prefs
47 new finder search
48 new system wide search
49 search is not limited to the apps it's in
50 search in mail
51 search in address book
52 ability to have spotlight intigrated with other apps

by the way I believe we've forgot

53 Dashboard
54 iTunes controler in dashbaord
55-60 are probably different widgets

61 most likely updated Safari rendering engine.
62 I"m guessing update to file vault?

[yoyoman]

Humm I agree with the guy about the article. Not enough to upgrade to tiger as of now. And the limitations with core image and core video Im less excited about it.


key things i wan't to copy and paste which I hope by the time tiger dose come out gives me a even more compelling reason to upgrade.


-I was very strongly disappointed that Steve Jobs' presentation about Tiger focused on some of the 150 claimed new features, but didn't seem to take into account the fact that some of the current MacOS users (like myself) are struggling with some nagging bugs, have been hit really hard by the lack of compatibility between 10.2 and 10.3, and were hoping that Apple would learn from Microsoft in that domain, who manage to fix lots of issues and maintain a very high level of compatibility between the different version of Windows.
-Safari RSS: Being and having been remotely involved with some RSS at work, I was only moderately impressed by the RSS support in Safari, and didn't find the implementation to be innovative. I was specifically disappointed by the fact that the HTML and RSS worlds seem to be highly segregated (if one of the sites I'm interested in doesn't publish and RSS version, I'd still like to be able to use it for my searches). Also the presentation of RSS leaves a lot to be desired, and there didn't seem to be any way for content authors to control the way their markup would look in Safari (this would have been a good opportunity to innovate).
Automator: What the feature can really do, how many hooks get exposed by application developers, and how well the system reacts when applications get uninstalled remains to be seen. My impression from the demo is that the feature is "sitting between two chairs". It still seems too hard to
grasp for the crowd that can't program a VCR, and a bit too simplistic for the crowd that managed to go through the first step of programming. To say it another way, I have the feeling that the abilities of different people in terms of programming concepts are mostly spread across a few discrete levels, and that Automator lives between some of those levels, meaning that in my opinion it could be made more powerful than what was shown in the demo without losing any of its target audience. It's also
not a really new feature at all, as an example the Khoros system (which I remember using in school in 1996) is amazingly similar

Core image: The demo was pretty cool, and there has definitely been some interesting work there. Yet the way the video seemed to stop when menus were opened and closed left me somewhat unimpressed, and gives me quite a few clues about how the feature may have been developed (i.e. without enough cooperation between the different groups that want to use the GPU). With a little bit of knowledge about the way most GPUs work today I am skeptical at least about its real-world practicality
for the kind of high-end image processing that Steve Jobs was hinting at. There's a definite gap between the message that Microsoft seemed to be sending toward its software and hardware developers (that the future was going to be GPU-based image processing but that within the longhorn timeframe there shouldn't be too much hope of seeing anything done by the GPUs as they are currently very severy lacking in a number of required domains) and the message sent by Apple (that Tiger's Core
Image system is powerful enough to sustain the requirements of a next-generation Photoshop with full hardware acceleration). A close friend of mine who was able to attend some of the more technical sessions told me about a few limitations of the system already (that the system didn't seem to be able to handle 11 MPix images "natively", and that there seemed to be no way to re-use existing filters written
for current image-processing systems in Image Core, that those filters would have to be entirely re-written).

[mishap]

Maybe-tiger only, not sure:

53. Coredata

from MacNN homepage: a light-weight version of Cocoa EOF that features class modelling in Xcode and EOF-style relationship editing

[Thain Esh Kelch]

54. Snappy!™

[cowerd]

I was very strongly disappointed that Steve Jobs' presentation about Tiger focused on some of the 150 claimed new features, but didn't seem to take into account the fact that some of the current MacOS users (like myself) are struggling with some nagging bugs

International press coverage, and you want the Keynote speech to demo bugfixes?

Take. Your. Meds.

[rag on a muffin]

i think he meant mention that he fixed the bugs in 10.3, like

"blah blah, and yes, we fixed those major windows file sharing problems."

[MartiNZ]

How about write access to FTP from Finder? I'm sure that IF that made it, we would all probably be happy to count that as about 10 features . Haven't actually heard any word on it from the other thread, hmmm.

[moreno]

so many inovation in tiger...



seems to me that microsoft handles UI better than apple...

[Catfish_Man]

Scalable User Interface (experimental, so I doubt it counts)
Quartz 2D Extreme (also experimental, and not documented at all that I've found)
Smart folders (in Finder, Mail, and Address book)
Core Data
New UI elements (can't remember what they're called offhand, but they're their for developers to use)
Possibly fixed NSShadow bug (the one that makes the shadows around icons get ugly occasionally. I haven't seen it so far)
Automater
Quartz Composer
Shark 3
Metadata APIs (technically part of Spotlight, I guess)
other stuff I can't remember...

[MartiNZ]

No doubt a whole lot of updates to the various unix tools in the BSD.... And it wouldn't take too much to rack up a good number of 'improvements' that way!

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally posted by moreno:
so many inovation in tiger...



seems to me that microsoft handles UI better than apple...

How exactly does Microsoft handle long drop down menus better than apple? By limiting the objects you can see at once?

[yoyoman]

what is this ichat inline group support. Does ichat also support tabed chatting?

Originally posted by zachs:
28.) Dock menus contain option to remove items.
29.) Help Viewer searches Apple KBase articles.
30.) iChat has support for inline groups.
31.) Support for profile editing in Chat.
32.) Menu in iChat for quickly switching between accounts.
33.) Share devices over the internet with .Mac.
34.) Mail - "Favorites" bar for mail folders.
35.) Extra options in Mail compose window.
36.) Mail - toggle automatic adding of iCal invites.
37.) QuickTime - live resizing.
38.) Safari - navigation in contextual menus.
39.) Safari - copy image addresses from context. menu
40.) Safari - add image to iPhoto by right-clicking
41.) Finder - renaming items in sidebar
42.) Context. menu for items in sidebar.
43.) Setup Assistant - options for transferring files & settings between computers.
44.) Finder - save search results as Smart Folders.

[simifilm]

Originally posted by rag on a muffin:
i think he meant mention that he fixed the bugs in 10.3, like

"blah blah, and yes, we fixed those major windows file sharing problems."

Well he said something about much improved Samba support which is basically the same. You never hear something like "fixed bugs" from Steve, but only the PR version of it: "improved feature xy".

[hmurchison2001]

You do realize that Tiger Preview only contains enough of the OS to allow developers a chance to test the SDKs. Making decisions about upgrading based on a Developer PR is foolhardy to say the least.

RSS- Apple doesn't have to be all things to all people. RSS readers generally work via email and there are capable RSS readers in this arena with netnewswire and Pulpfiction from freshly squeezed. I think Apple is giving a large audience a taste of what RSS can do but those who get hooked can always find more features.

Core Image/Video I don't know what limitations you're talking about. That API has not been documented anywhere. If requiring a GPU with shader support is a limitation then these limitations affect far more than just Apples new API. The limitations your mentioned are unsubstantiated. GPUs will play a huge role in the future of OSX and Longhorn. I saw Motion do things that were just amazing. Yes you have to rewite current plugins and we don't know how much work that's involved but the benefit is real time non-desructive effects and great layering(that's just what we know now from the demos). People sometimes assume that APIs remain static. I've seen Core Audio updated a bunch of times since it's inception. Core Image/Video will be no different. It isn't optimized right now and is sure to improve once OpenGL 2.0 is ratified with it's GLslang support.

Apple hasn't even shown their full hand yet and I'm beyond myself. Panther is a sweet OS but it's not undeniably better than XP. Tiger is undeniably better architectually than XP. No question. Some of you think you're going to be sitting on the sideline debating about whether to upgrade. Let me just calm your fears. You will be shelling out your money gleefully. Tiger is a larger update from Panther than Panther was from Jaguar. Hell Quartz 2D and Spotlight are compelling enough on their own for me. Anyone that can look at what we know about Tiger now and debate upgrading...I question why you are drawn to computers at all. Software is what makes the Mac platform not hardware. If you don't get excited about Mac software..you're on the wrong platform

Originally posted by yoyoman:
Humm I agree with the guy about the article. Not enough to upgrade to tiger as of now. And the limitations with core image and core video Im less excited about it.


key things i wan't to copy and paste which I hope by the time tiger dose come out gives me a even more compelling reason to upgrade.


-I was very strongly disappointed that Steve Jobs' presentation about Tiger focused on some of the 150 claimed new features, but didn't seem to take into account the fact that some of the current MacOS users (like myself) are struggling with some nagging bugs, have been hit really hard by the lack of compatibility between 10.2 and 10.3, and were hoping that Apple would learn from Microsoft in that domain, who manage to fix lots of issues and maintain a very high level of compatibility between the different version of Windows.
-Safari RSS: Being and having been remotely involved with some RSS at work, I was only moderately impressed by the RSS support in Safari, and didn't find the implementation to be innovative. I was specifically disappointed by the fact that the HTML and RSS worlds seem to be highly segregated (if one of the sites I'm interested in doesn't publish and RSS version, I'd still like to be able to use it for my searches). Also the presentation of RSS leaves a lot to be desired, and there didn't seem to be any way for content authors to control the way their markup would look in Safari (this would have been a good opportunity to innovate).
Automator: What the feature can really do, how many hooks get exposed by application developers, and how well the system reacts when applications get uninstalled remains to be seen. My impression from the demo is that the feature is "sitting between two chairs". It still seems too hard to
grasp for the crowd that can't program a VCR, and a bit too simplistic for the crowd that managed to go through the first step of programming. To say it another way, I have the feeling that the abilities of different people in terms of programming concepts are mostly spread across a few discrete levels, and that Automator lives between some of those levels, meaning that in my opinion it could be made more powerful than what was shown in the demo without losing any of its target audience. It's also
not a really new feature at all, as an example the Khoros system (which I remember using in school in 1996) is amazingly similar

Core image: The demo was pretty cool, and there has definitely been some interesting work there. Yet the way the video seemed to stop when menus were opened and closed left me somewhat unimpressed, and gives me quite a few clues about how the feature may have been developed (i.e. without enough cooperation between the different groups that want to use the GPU). With a little bit of knowledge about the way most GPUs work today I am skeptical at least about its real-world practicality
for the kind of high-end image processing that Steve Jobs was hinting at. There's a definite gap between the message that Microsoft seemed to be sending toward its software and hardware developers (that the future was going to be GPU-based image processing but that within the longhorn timeframe there shouldn't be too much hope of seeing anything done by the GPUs as they are currently very severy lacking in a number of required domains) and the message sent by Apple (that Tiger's Core
Image system is powerful enough to sustain the requirements of a next-generation Photoshop with full hardware acceleration). A close friend of mine who was able to attend some of the more technical sessions told me about a few limitations of the system already (that the system didn't seem to be able to handle 11 MPix images "natively", and that there seemed to be no way to re-use existing filters written
for current image-processing systems in Image Core, that those filters would have to be entirely re-written).

[yoyoman]

o.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by yoyoman:
o.

What kind a feature is that ?

-t

[Krypton]

150. Costs $129

(I win )

[Superchicken]

All I can say is... FULL FTP support had better turn up in an Apple App soon or I'm going to start having to complain to Apple.

[Xeo]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
All I can say is... FULL FTP support had better turn up in an Apple App soon or I'm going to start having to complain to Apple.

You're welcome to complain now. The rest of us are.

[Superchicken]

Originally posted by Xeo:
You're welcome to complain now. The rest of us are.

Actually I already have made a complaint on Apple's feedback page. If we got all the MacNN regulars to complain... do you think we could get something done?

[Xeo]

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Actually I already have made a complaint on Apple's feedback page. If we got all the MacNN regulars to complain... do you think we could get something done?

I think if one thing was complained about the most, FTP would be it. I can't imagine they don't know it doesn't work well.

[yoyoman]

ftp did sux.

[yoyoman]

any thing else?

[besson3c]

Originally posted by Xeo:
You're welcome to complain now. The rest of us are.

In a way, I'd rather see Apple lead the charge and support r/w sFTP in the Finder in addition to r/w FTP. They really ought to push SFTP and other secure technologies like it. FTP is long overdue for official obsolesence, IMHO.