[permutation]

Is Tiger worth $129? Thanks.

[Powaqqatsi]

bwaaahahhhahahaaahhh!!!

[Randman]

No, but his girlfriend sure as heck is..

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by permutation:
Is Tiger worth $129? Thanks.

In case you really are wondering about the other responses:

Come back and ask that question again when Tiger has been released for sale - sometime in the first half of next year.

-s*

[permutation]

Thanks for the replies. I'm preparing my budget for 2005 now, which is why I want to know now whether Tiger will be worth $129. I can't wait until Tiger is released to decide that.

[Spheric Harlot]

Well, then:

Yes, of course.

-s*

[Chris O'Brien]

In that case, yes. It will be well worth it.

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by permutation:
Thanks for the replies. I'm preparing my budget for 2005 now, which is why I want to know now whether Tiger will be worth $129. I can't wait until Tiger is released to decide that.

How exiting your life must be.

[Angus_D]

No! The Developer Preview erased my computer and ate my babies! Tiger is teh suck.!

[eevyl]

Take a look here and decide for yourself:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/

I have (and guess the rest too) no idea about your computer needs, so I can tell if it will be worth for me, but not for you with zero information about what would you use Tiger for.

So read the sneak preview and if you like what you see, save the money.

[jcadam]

In the past, upgrading to a newly released version of OS X was a no-brainer. Early in the life of the OS, when vast improvements were being made with every release, upgrading was a MUST. Panther, on the other hand, is pretty much a 'complete' OS. Tiger will probably be less of a leap than Jaguar->Panther. Definitely less so than 10.1->Jaguar, which was a freakin' HUGE advance.

[Mr. Blur]

what hardware are you going to be running it on? i think that with all the 64-bit enhancements a G5 user may have more reason to upgrade.

(curious - what kind of budget does not allow for a small-ish incidental expense like 10.4 to be decided later?)

[ryju]

You should buy Tiger. In fact, buy me one too that would definitely be worth it.

[Catfish_Man]

Many of the enhancements in 10.4 are under the hood and will allow for better apps, rather than making the system better.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by permutation:
Thanks for the replies. I'm preparing my budget for 2005 now, which is why I want to know now whether Tiger will be worth $129. I can't wait until Tiger is released to decide that.

No offense, but if your budget doesn't allow for an expenditure of $129 in the spur of the moment it's not a very good budget.

[madmacgames]

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
No offense, but if your budget doesn't allow for an expenditure of $129 in the spur of the moment it's not a very good budget.

No offense, but if your budget qualifies dropping $129 as an impulse buy then you really do not have any idea how most people live.

[permutation]

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
How exiting your life must be.

Do you mean exciting? My life is not "exiting". And I don't see the need for the personal attack.

Anyway, it does look like Tiger will be worth it, so I will budget for it. It looks like a lot of the improvements are major "under-the-hood" features that will benefit developers, and in turn benefit users. And I don't think I'll be able to resist Spotlight and Dashboard either.

[jcadam]

Originally posted by madmacgames:
No offense, but if your budget qualifies dropping $129 as an impulse buy then you really do not have any idea how most people live.

dang, I've dropped more than that on an impulse buy before

But, I'll admit I need to do better about that sort of thing

But, if I don't, I'll still eat, so you could say MY budget allows me to drop $100+ on an impulse buy.

[gorickey]

Nah, I'd spring for Microsoft XP SR2 instead...

[lngtones]

Originally posted by jcadam:
In the past, upgrading to a newly released version of OS X was a no-brainer. Early in the life of the OS, when vast improvements were being made with every release, upgrading was a MUST. Panther, on the other hand, is pretty much a 'complete' OS. Tiger will probably be less of a leap than Jaguar->Panther. Definitely less so than 10.1->Jaguar, which was a freakin' HUGE advance.

I disagree, from a developer's standpoint if Tiger lives up to what they're claiming it will change the entire landscape of how Mac programs are designed.

[lngtones]

Originally posted by madmacgames:
No offense, but if your budget qualifies dropping $129 as an impulse buy then you really do not have any idea how most people live.

Maybe he did something better than "most people"?

[Boondoggle]

Actually, adjusted for the rate of inflation, Tiger will be worth $135.79. So I say buy it now!

bd

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by permutation:
Do you mean exciting? My life is not "exiting". And I don't see the need for the personal attack.

Anyway, it does look like Tiger will be worth it, so I will budget for it. It looks like a lot of the improvements are major "under-the-hood" features that will benefit developers, and in turn benefit users. And I don't think I'll be able to resist Spotlight and Dashboard either.

Yes I meant exciting, thanks.

[legacyb4]

Did you put down $129 for Panther? Was it worth it for the upgrade from 10.2?

If so, I think you could probably expect similar functionality and performance gains from Tiger when it comes out; don't forget too that according to the press release, they are going to be slowing down releases a bit so I imagine that Tiger will a pretty important release for Apple.

My $0.02...

[leperkuhn]

Originally posted by jcadam:
dang, I've dropped more than that on an impulse buy before

But, I'll admit I need to do better about that sort of thing

But, if I don't, I'll still eat, so you could say MY budget allows me to drop $100+ on an impulse buy.

I bought a dual g4 on an impulse. $2400. No regrets, just credit card debt.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by lngtones:
Maybe he did something better than "most people"?

Well, I'm sure that one day, you'll all laugh about how stupidly those poor sods for whom $130 is a marked dent in the budget went about their lives, as you sip your champagne, sitting on your leopard-skin chaiselounge.

Idiot.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by Mr. Blur:
what hardware are you going to be running it on? i think that with all the 64-bit enhancements a G5 user may have more reason to upgrade.

Uh, I highly doubt that he needs processes with address spaces >4GB.

[Chris O'Brien]

Originally posted by permutation:
And I don't think I'll be able to resist Spotlight and Dashboard either.

Yeah, the Dashboard will be fantastic. (yeah, that was quite a shameless plug... )

[Randman]

I'm impressed. I usually don't work out a budget until a few weeks later when I try to figure out where the hell all of my money has gone to.

[permutation]

Originally posted by Black Book:
Yeah, the Dashboard will be fantastic. (yeah, that was quite a shameless plug... )

Nice website! I'm impressed that people are making cool gadgets so far in advance.

Originally posted by Angus_D:
Originally posted by Mr. Blur:
what hardware are you going to be running it on? i think that with all the 64- bit enhancements a G5 user may have more reason to upgrade.

Uh, I highly doubt that he needs processes with address spaces >4GB.

True, I don't think I'll need the 64-bit enhancements in the near future. I will be running it on a G4.

Originally posted by Randman:
I'm impressed. I usually don't work out a budget until a few weeks later when I try to figure out where the hell all of my money has gone to.

Well, I used to be like that, but necessity has forced me to be more disciplined for the next few years. Even so, looks like I won't be able to resist Tiger.

[diamondsw]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
Uh, I highly doubt that he needs processes with address spaces >4GB.

However, it's likely that other areas will see a speedup, if only due to larger registers to play with (I'm sure some interesting compiler optimizations could be performed).

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Well, I'm sure that one day, you'll all laugh about how stupidly those poor sods for whom $130 is a marked dent in the budget went about their lives, as you sip your champagne, sitting on your leopard-skin chaiselounge.

Idiot.

That's not the point. It's not about being "rich." If you make a budget this far ahead of time, and you want to buy Tiger, why not allow for ~$10-15/month so when the time comes you can buy it? If you are so tight that you cannot afford that, then no, don't buy Tiger. That's the whole purpose of making a budget and if you make a GOOD one, it should allow for frivolous expenditures like this. If you want to buy Tiger and are on a budget, start making allowances for it now - that's why I said what I said. Jeez....

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by diamondsw:
However, it's likely that other areas will see a speedup, if only due to larger registers to play with (I'm sure some interesting compiler optimizations could be performed).

Ohhhhh dear... I heard that happened with 32 bit chips when the OS was 16 bit. People would use the extra 16 bits for their own purposes. It did... bad things when the system was updated, from what I've heard. However, the improved SMP support in the kernel and the new compiler should help even if the 64 bit support doesn't.

[someone_else]

Originally posted by diamondsw:
However, it's likely that other areas will see a speedup, if only due to larger registers to play with (I'm sure some interesting compiler optimizations could be performed).

That particular benefit is availabe now. Opertations on long long's (64 bit ints) can see a big performance boost in Panther if you enable the G5 only compiler switches. Not really worth it though, unless you are doing a lot of 64bit integer math.

As for Tiger's large address space support, that will actually slow down the process, not speed it up. Since the pointer size will double, the memory throughput of the app will decrease by half when working with 64bit pointers, and the process's L1/L2 cache locality of reference will be worse because of the larger pointer size.

This is the trade off for being able to work with very large datasets in main memory. (Although it's doubtful any of this will show up as a user-noticable hit on performance.)

[CatOne]

Originally posted by lngtones:
I disagree, from a developer's standpoint if Tiger lives up to what they're claiming it will change the entire landscape of how Mac programs are designed.

Exactly. It will mean everyone that uses 10.3 and doesn't upgrade will miss out on all the new apps that are 10.4 only, and they'll whine and cry endlessly

[madmacgames]

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
if you make a GOOD [budget], it should allow for frivolous expenditures

you must work for the government.

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by Randman:
I'm impressed. I usually don't work out a budget until a few weeks later when I try to figure out where the hell all of my money has gone to.

A budget, what the hell is that ? Mine starts when I run out of money. Maybe the OP had to buy like 100 copies of Tiger for a company. But to budget a $130 expense?

[hldan]

Originally posted by permutation:
Thanks for the replies. I'm preparing my budget for 2005 now, which is why I want to know now whether Tiger will be worth $129. I can't wait until Tiger is released to decide that.

You need to prepare this early in 2004 for $129.00 purchase that won't happen until mid 2005?

[permutation]

Originally posted by hldan:
You need to prepare this early in 2004 for $129.00 purchase that won't happen until mid 2005?

Last time I checked, the middle of the 8th month of the year is not "early" in the year. And no, I don't need to prepare this decision now; I wanted to.

Anyway, I didn't come here to debate the concept of a budget. Nor did I insult anyone for whom purchases over $100 are negligible, and I would have appreciated the same courtesy.

I came to discuss whether Tiger is worth it, obviously based on what is known so far. For those who don't think this should be discussed until Tiger is released, feel free to do so, but you shouldn't tell me I can't ask the question now.

[mishap]

i really hope someone bumps this thread a week before Tiger is out

[Axo1ot1]

Originally posted by mishap:
i really hope someone bumps this thread a week before Tiger is out

put it on your iCal

[jasong]

I would say budget it in, and if it turns out to be not worth it for you, then you've got an extra $129.00 lying around. Spend it on something else, or save it. The only other option is to not budget it, in which case you aren't getting it either way.

-- Jason

[Randman]

Don't forget to budget in enough for sales tax.

[brapper]

no.
but probably yes.
maybe.
i think.