[bgotori]

Hey All

I'm a Newbie the the OS X10.3.5 system.

I downloaded X11 from the Apple WebSite. Double clicked the file, and it created an Icon on the side the looks like a drive with X11 on it. I then double clicked that and it loaded something. when to Terminal window typed start x, and it says command not found???

So whats up???


Thanks!!!

Brad

[Vash]

X11 is a seperate application that is installed to your utilities folder, you can not use it in the standard terminal.

[bmedina]

To add to what Vash said, X11 is loaded when you open the X11 program in the /Applications/Utilities folder.

From your description, you seem to have mounted the installer's disc image (that's the "Icon on the side the looks like a drive with X11 on it"). If you open that, you'll see an installer package that will install X11 for you. Once the installation is complete, go to /Applications/Utilites and find the X11 program. Open it up, and you should see an xterm window come up. From there, you can run any X11 app you need (and you don't need to startx first).

[bgotori]

Hey All

Thanks!!!

Well got an X terminal typed start x says no command,,,

Is there a Good book on getting things going???


Thanks Again!!!

Brad

[quadgrande]

Try googling 'X11' for information.

"start x" or "startx" is a shell script that is usually installed as part of a standard XFree86 installation. Apple's X11, while utilizing XFree86, does not supply such a script.

The script handles initial setup and launching of a window manager, applications, etc. When you double-click X11 application, you are launching the X server, and an xterm usually is configured to start as well. That's all there is to it. If you have X supported applications you wish to run (say on your machine or on another unix machine), you can now run them.

For example, in the xterm that launched, turn off security with the command 'xhost +'

Connect to another unix machine and set your DISPLAY environment variable:

In bourne shell derivatives (bash, ksh, sh):
export DISPLAY=<apple computer hostname or ip>:0.0

for example:
export DISPLAY=192.168.0.2:0.0


Then execute an x application (like xcalc) on the remote machine. You should see that application sent over the network and displayed on your local machine.

[bgotori]

Hey quadgrande

Thanks!!!

So all the x11 commands work like they do under Unix or Linux???


Thanks!!!

Brad

[theolein]

Hi Brad. You went way overkill on this one (understandable if one is used to the Linux method of starting X), but no worry. There was no need for you to download X11 onto Panther, as it's either already installed if you did the full install, or it's on your install CD. But since you downloaded and installed it

Ok, I'll walk you through what you need to do.

Siince you've already installed the application, I hope there's no need for you to redo that part, but I think you didn't actually install the application (Forgive me if I'm wrong here). From your description, when you double clicked the downloaded file (the one with the file extension ".dmg") it mounted a virtual drive, which appears in the Finder as white drive which you can navigate like any other drive. From what I understand, you then double clicked that, you might have simply opened a new Finder Window. What you would have needed to do is to navigate to that virtual drive and then view its contents. If you have the standard Finder view with the sidebar on the left you could simply click on the drive and you would then see its contents. The content of that drive is one file called "X11User.pkg". Double clicking that will launch the installer. If you then went through the steps of the installer, you would have noticed that it asked you on which drive you wanted to install the package. When the installer finished the X11 package would have been installed.

If you now navigate to the Applications folder in the Finder and look in a folder therein called "Utilities" you would see an application icon with a white rectangle and the X11 symbol on it. From your description, I think you managed to get to this point (although I think X11 was already installed on the machine). Double clicking on that icon would launch X11. This is the same thing as typing "startx" in a Linux console. There is no need to type "startx" as double clicking the X11 icon launches X11. Once X11 starts up you will see a white rectangle icon with the X11 symbol in the Mac OSX dock. This indicates that X11 is running and that you now have an X11 server running. If you switch to that application, you will normally be presented with an Xterminal. Obviously, since X11 is already running, there is no need to type "startx".

Apple's X11 server runs in one of two modes: rootless and root window server. The standard default is rootless, which means that the X11 server runs as a normal OSX application and that you can view standard OSX applications along with X applications. In the root mode (you can toggle between the two modes with the key sequence "Cmd-alt-A") you'll only see the X11 applications.

You can launch applications in the standard manner, i.e. by typing the path to the executable in the Xterminal, or you can use the Apple X11 cutomiser. This is in the X11 application's menu under "Applications". The standard install has an Xterm, Xman and Xlogo in that menu and you can customise and add other X applications to this by selecting the customise option, which will bring up a dialog in which you can add applications by typing in their paths and a label for the menu and add a key shortcut for that application.

As quadgrande stated, you can, from the Xterm, use standard X11 commands as in Linux and Unix.

[bgotori]

Hey theolein

Thanks for the reply!!!

WOW... so No Desktop loaded from the ""X""window, so I have to go to the FINK website and download KDE... and all the App's...

Can I start the Desktop from the "Application's Dropdown menu"???


Thanks Very Much for Info!!!

Brad

[theolein]

Originally posted by bgotori:
Hey theolein

Thanks for the reply!!!

WOW... so No Desktop loaded from the ""X""window, so I have to go to the FINK website and download KDE... and all the App's...

Can I start the Desktop from the "Application's Dropdown menu"???


Thanks Very Much for Info!!!

Brad

I've never used KDE on OSX, so I don't really know, but I presume that if KDE is configured correctly (once you've installed it), it should up as soon as X starts.

[BurpetheadX]

To install KDE on OS X, first install fink.

Then in your Utilites folder, open "Fink Commander".

In the menus, run anything that has "update".

In the list of software in the main screen, find "kdebase", and select it. It should also select all the dependancies for you as well.

Install kdebase. (control-click & install binary)

After you have installed KDE through Fink, do this:


Open Terminal. (/Applications/Utilities/Terminal)

Type this in terminal: pico .xinitrc

Copy/Paste this in the terminal window:

. /sw/bin/init.sh
export KDEWM=kwin
quartz-wm --only-proxy &
/sw/bin/startkde >/tmp/kde.log 2>&1

Press control-x. Then press return.

Press control-0.

Quit Terminal.


Now open X11 (Applications/Utilites/X11)

And watch the magic begin.

NOTE: If you don't want KDE to take up your whole screen, go into the apperance settings and de-select "show icons on desktop". This is STRONGLY recomended.

[bgotori]

Hey BurpetheadX

I'll try that!!!


Thanks!!!

Brad

[bgotori]

Hey BurpetheadX

Couldn't cut and paste that stuff in the terminal window... No way of doing this that I could find... So just type each one in, but it starts a KDE window that hangs for some reason...

Hpw much memory do I need to do this??? I've only got 256mb Ram right now, but will have 640mb in a week or two.


Thanks!!!

Brad

[bgotori]

TTT

[BurpetheadX]

Hey Brad,

Not to sure what's causing it. KDE could be trying to load a device and hanging on it (make sure everything is unplugged except mouse & keyboard). Also, I don't know what stuff you did before you installed KDE, so you could have some conflicting stuff in your /etc/X11R6 folder. I don't think memory would be a problem.

By deleting your /sw & /etc/X11R6 folder (invisible), it should be like a fresh start. You could reinstall X11, Fink, and KDE and see how it goes.

You could also try upgrading to KDE 3.2, but that requires XCode, and an overnight KDE build.

[bgotori]

Hey BurpetheadX

Thanks!!!

I'm running it on 10.3.5 upgrade. since the upgrade from 10.3.4, I can't download or paste things other than in Camino... or my MicroSoft Office stuff.

Well just have find some kind of work around!!!


Thanks Again!!!

Brad

[BurpetheadX]

Originally posted by bgotori:
Hey BurpetheadX

Thanks!!!

I'm running it on 10.3.5 upgrade. since the upgrade from 10.3.4, I can't download or paste things other than in Camino... or my MicroSoft Office stuff.

Well just have find some kind of work around!!!


Thanks Again!!!

Brad

Hmm Brad, thats no go. Here's what might fix your OS X problems.

Open Disk Utility in the Utilities folder, select your Hard Drive, and hit "Repair Permissions".

When that is done, download the 10.3.5 Combo updater from Apple here.

Make sure nothing is running on your system, and apply that update. That will basically do a small re-install of OS X. Let it finish all the way, and restart.

Hopefully that will take care of some of your issues.

[bgotori]

Hey BurpetheadX

Thanks I'll try that!!!

I've got to search around on my System and try some stuff out. I'm New to the Mac and OS X, last Mac I had was a Mac SE...hahaha Did Windows for a while, then switched to Linux.


Thanks Again!!!

Brad