[obob]

ever since the hurricans that past this past summer(dam you charlie) Ive been out of my iBook(fried) and been looking for away to run OSX on a pc platform so that i would be able to use my copy of FinalCut pro. and heard of many runors and i just wanted to know straight is it possible i read around and found that Cherry OS <-- emulator is able to run osx at 80% of pc speed ( which is rather fast in my opion) but cant find a place to download it. and the other rumors that pearpc is able to run osx any feedback would be great thank you.

Pearpc rumors -- http://www.vasanthdharmaraj.com/Perm...839e6c8bb.aspx

Cherry OS -- http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/10...ryos/index.php

[msuper69]

Oh God, not this again!

[obob]

??? so is it possible to run osx on a pc ?

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by obob:
??? so is it possible to run osx on a pc ?

It is possible to run OS X on a PC with PearPC.

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/

It is technically not possible to emulate a PowerPC on Intel with 80% of the speed. Forget about it. Don't even think about running Final Cut.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by obob:
??? so is it possible to run osx on a pc ?

obob,

no offense, but please do a search of this forum for "Cherry OS" (or pearPC), and msuper69's reaction will become clear.

Cherry OS is a scam.

-s*

[obob]

so there no possible way in runing final cut pro on a pc its the only video editing software that is good to make videos. now that im out a iBook i have no toher ideas on how to be able to edit videos dont like adobe software is very not good for lack of better words

[alphasubzero949]

+1

[Mithras]

You could hold a bake sale.

[Millennium]

CherryOS is a hoax at best and a scam at worst. Either way, it does not exist; that much has been proven beyond the possibility of debate.

To be perfectly frank, their performance claims were technologically impossible anyway.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by obob:
so there no possible way in runing final cut pro on a pc its the only video editing software that is good to make videos. now that im out a iBook i have no toher ideas on how to be able to edit videos dont like adobe software is very not good for lack of better words

Technically, you could run FCP inside PearPC. However, I don't recommended it. They've timed the OSX boot sequence inside PearPC, and it takes about a week. Under conditions like that, it could take days just to open a file in FCP, and hours to do simple cut/paste jobs. And if, God forbid, you crash, then it will take another week just to reboot.

What happened to your iBook?

[obob]

well during a hurrican just remember to kill the power to your house or if god forbid a lighting bolt hits your house it might blow some expensive computer equpment

dam a week -_- there has to be sumthing i could do.

[obob]

Help me rais cash for a iBook or send me any parts of other broken iBooks - http://usk.lucidpc.net

[Chuckit]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Technically, you could run FCP inside PearPC. However, I don't recommended it. They've timed the OSX boot sequence inside PearPC, and it takes about a week.

The JITC build on a reasonably fast x86 computer should not take anywhere near that long. According to their claimed speed (15 times slower than the host), it should take about half an hour. Still not sure it would be good enough for Final Cut Pro, but it doesn't sound like it's as bad as all that.

[Dog Like Nature]

hop.com

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by obob:
well during a hurrican just remember to kill the power to your house or if god forbid a lighting bolt hits your house it might blow some expensive computer equpment

dam a week -_- there has to be sumthing i could do.

That's what insurance is for.

[obob]

they said that since im renting i fall under the home owners insurnce beacuse it happen to the house and his insurance is limited and only covers the house not whats inside the house.

[msuper69]

Originally posted by obob:
they said that since im renting i fall under the home owners insurnce beacuse it happen to the house and his insurance is limited and only covers the house not whats inside the house.

That's what renter's insurance is for.

[obob]

Me and my rooms mates aruged that fact to the landlord but he said that it isnt cover in our agreement so no matter how i look at it im screwed

[obob]

i have been reading around that you would be able to run mac programs in a linux enviorment so if i get a linux os such as FreeBSD would i be able to run sumthing simlar to wine so that i can run Final cut pro on it?

[Earth Mk. II]

Originally posted by obob:
i have been reading around that you would be able to run mac programs in a linux enviorment so if i get a linux os such as FreeBSD would i be able to run sumthing simlar to wine so that i can run Final cut pro on it?

There is Mac on Linux - but it does no CPU emulation, so it only runs on PPC Linux systems.

There is no PPC emulator in existence that will be able to run FCP at anything close to an acceptable speed. I think you're just SOL on this one.

[msuper69]

Originally posted by obob:
Me and my rooms mates aruged that fact to the landlord but he said that it isnt cover in our agreement so no matter how i look at it im screwed

Renter's insurance is something YOU have to buy. The landlord has nothing to do with it.

[obob]

then there the problem i quess we didnt get any (we broke) as you can see we barely make rent so buying renting insurance would kinda be to much anyho its to late. hope fully once we get back to normal we would opt in getting a plan

[Simon]

Buy a cheap used mac. It won't be more expensive than the PC you'd buy to run all that emulation garbage on (albeit that won't work).

Or go to a public library and use their computer.

[obob]

well i cant go to the public libary since im going to have to do long time video editing and they dont allow u to plug usb/firewire devices into there macs/pcs (afraid some one might break there equpiment) so on to buying a old use mac what would be a descent speed to run video editing soft ware i had a 1gig iBook but i dont know the minimue cpu speed to run editing software iknow i would need at least 512 of ram

[Drakino]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Technically, you could run FCP inside PearPC. However, I don't recommended it. They've timed the OSX boot sequence inside PearPC, and it takes about a week.

That week estimate wasn't PearPC on an x86, it was PearPC on an old 68k Mac. With the JITC version of PearPC on my P4 2.8, it takes about five minutes to boot Panther. Took about 3.5 hours to install.

Now, the problem with running FCP beyond the speed (horrible since Altivec emulation isn't even in) is the lack of Firewire. Sure, PCs can have Firewire, but the ports can't be handed over to the PearPC enviornment.

[obob]

ok so a 3.2ghz p4 with 512 ddr would be able to run panther with out a hitch like run Final cut pro nicely ?

[Chuckit]

Originally posted by obob:
ok so a 3.2ghz p4 with 512 ddr would be able to run panther with out a hitch like run Final cut pro nicely ?

If (as it sounds like is the case) it does indeed run at 7 percent of the host clock speed, that machine would run like a ~200 MHz G3 with no FireWire. I wouldn't call that "nice."

Apple's product page for FCP recommends at least a 350 MHz G4, with a minimum of 500 MHz for real-time effects. So it sounds like a 500 MHz G4 will be about the minimum for passable performance. If anybody has experience to the contrary, they're welcome to chime in.

[UnixMac]

What is with this obsession with running OS X on a PC... Why not just buy a Mac?

[PurpleGiant]

Originally posted by UnixMac:
What is with this obsession with running OS X on a PC... Why not just buy a Mac?

Exactly. Get a used eMac from eBay and you'll be fine.

[Simon]

Originally posted by UnixMac:
What is with this obsession with running OS X on a PC... Why not just buy a Mac?

Yeah, cut the PC crap.

That 3.2GHz P4 won't be cheaper than a used Mac. But it won't run FCP.

[tooki]

Originally posted by obob:
ok so a 3.2ghz p4 with 512 ddr would be able to run panther with out a hitch like run Final cut pro nicely ?

The faux 200MHz G3 processor aside, 512MB isn't enough RAM for good Final Cut Pro performance on a real Mac. In emulation, the host OS has to run, too. So with 512MB, Windows taking, say, 150MB, you're left with about 350MB for PearPC, which is nowhere near the 1GB of RAM a Final Cut Pro system needs for good performance.

Running Final Cut Pro on a PC in emulation is absolute insanity. Just buy a clearance eMac or something.

tooki

[Millennium]

Originally posted by UnixMac:
What is with this obsession with running OS X on a PC... Why not just buy a Mac?

The original poster said that his iBook was destroyed in some kind of disaster, he has no renter's insurance, and he cannot afford to buy a new Mac. In fact, it sounds as though he's already bought a PC.

I'm afraid he's out of luck, given that. If he's already bought a PC to replace his Mac, then there's no way he'll be able to afford even a used Mac (which is what I would have recommended) at this point.

In the future, however, I would strongly recommend a good renters' insurance policy. A good policy can be surprisingly inexpensive, much less than, for example, car insurance. At the very least it would be a good idea to price such insurance; you may find it more affordable than you originally thought.

[obob]

No i didnt buy a pc i had my pc in the attic since i got my iBook only thing i used since i bought it never touched my pc but now with no iBook im forced to use the carpy pc again. So it sounds possible to run final cut just a tad slow on a pc ^_^ well im going to go try thank you all for your replys ill post back my results.

And yes me and my roomates went ahead and are buying renters insurance since im not the only one in the house that lost something important.

[piracy]

Originally posted by obob:
No i didnt buy a pc i had my pc in the attic since i got my iBook only thing i used since i bought it never touched my pc but now with no iBook im forced to use the carpy pc again. So it sounds possible to run final cut just a tad slow on a pc ^_^ well im going to go try thank you all for your replys ill post back my results.

And yes me and my roomates went ahead and are buying renters insurance since im not the only one in the house that lost something important.

It won't be a "tad" slow. It will be impossibly, unusably slow.

Even if you do successfully get Mac OS X installed in PearPC, and get Final Cut Pro to launch, you will NOT be able to use it in any meaningful way.

[Simon]

dp, sorry

[Simon]

Originally posted by obob:
No i didnt buy a pc i had my pc in the attic since i got my iBook only thing i used since i bought it never touched my pc but now with no iBook im forced to use the carpy pc again.

Sell the PC, buy a (used) Mac.

[Anubis IV]

Have you actually brought your iBook in to a Mac consultant or something? I mean, for all you know it might be repairable for cheaper than the cost of a new computer, that is, unless it's TRULY fried. Usually when people say that their computer is fried though, it really means that it got hit by a power spike and hasn't been working since, and thise types of problems can be fixed quite often. Might be worth looking into at the very least.

[LightWaver-67]

FYI : Renter's Insurance

READ THE FINE PRINT - or ASK QUESTIONS...

Why?

I found-out that our renter's policy will only cover computer equipment up-to $XX-amount (far below the worth of my studio) and when I called them on it, they asked me if I "Made Money" using my computer. The answer is "Yes" - guess what. NOT COVERED!

If I claim any income from my household and the computer (or anything) is used to generate that income, it WILL NOT BE COVERED. You need a BUSINESS policy.

Since I claim two businesses from my home, both of which utilize my home office/studio... if this place catches fire... I am under the impression that:

a) At Worst: I'm not covered for SQUAT with my studio... or
b) At Best: I'm only covered for the maximum allowable value, which would BARELY get me a new PowerMac... nevermind all the DV-Equipment, 3 Printers, scanners 6 (six) external hard drives, three monitors, all my software (FCP, DVDSP, Adobe CSuite, etc.)

I'd be screwed... so BEFORE you rely heavilly on renter's insurance... PLEASE be sure to ASK QUESTIONS.

[Brass]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Technically, you could run FCP inside PearPC. However, I don't recommended it. They've timed the OSX boot sequence inside PearPC, and it takes about a week. Under conditions like that, it could take days just to open a file in FCP, and hours to do simple cut/paste jobs. And if, God forbid, you crash, then it will take another week just to reboot.

What happened to your iBook?

I think you are very confused. I've installed OS X 10.3 on PearPC on a Wintel. It takes about 15 minutes to boot, not a week! It runs well, albeit very very very slow. Obviously it is very limited in what it's good for (nothing that I can think of).

I think you may be confused with the recent story of running Mac OS X on PearPC on a very old Mac (can't remember which model). To do that they installed linux on the Mac, then ran the linux version of PearPC, and used a HD image on which they'd already installed Mac OS X.

They estimated about a week to boot Mac OS X for that one, but that was NOT on x86 hardware. That was very old 68040 or 68030 Motorola CPU Apple hardware.

[tooki]

If PearPC is anything like Virtual PC in terms of performance, it'll be barely adequate for word processing, and absolutely incapable of doing any kind of media playback, much less editing.

tooki

[Abit667]

Originally posted by tooki:
If PearPC is anything like Virtual PC in terms of performance, it'll be barely adequate for word processing, and absolutely incapable of doing any kind of media playback, much less editing.

tooki

Well VPC actually isn't that bad at all, on a decent G4 or G5 it runs plenty fast to do a lot of stuff. PearPC though is unusable, it's just a proof of concept type thing, you can't actually do anything with it. The reason VPC works is because the PPC hardware is much better suited for emulation then x86 is, and because of differences going from x86 -> PPC is going to require a lot more power as PPC is a little "larger" and more complex then the way x86 works.

[Brass]

Other problems of trying to use PearPC for anything useful, apart from speed, are interaction with the host OS and host hardware.

Eg, how do you network with PearPC? How do you share files between PearPC and other applications (including your file browser / IE / Finder / Whatever)? How do you print with PearPC?

The filing issue can be overcome, but it requires some mucking about with ISO disk images on Windows / Linux (whatever host OS) and is far from neat.

[tooki]

Originally posted by Abit667:
Well VPC actually isn't that bad at all, on a decent G4 or G5 it runs plenty fast to do a lot of stuff.

I use Virtual PC on a 1.25GHz G4, and it's so slow that it takes 10 minutes to print a single page out of MS Project (we're talking 8-color graphics, nothing crazy). It's barely usable. (Yes, it has plenty of RAM allocated to it.)

tooki

[Thain Esh Kelch]

CherryOS was a hoax. (Of course)

[Abit667]

Originally posted by tooki:
I use Virtual PC on a 1.25GHz G4, and it's so slow that it takes 10 minutes to print a single page out of MS Project (we're talking 8-color graphics, nothing crazy). It's barely usable. (Yes, it has plenty of RAM allocated to it.)

tooki

What version of VPC are you running...I play TA all the time under VPC7 on my 1Ghz G4, and have never had a problem printing or doing anything else normal like that...

[tooki]

VPC 6 running XP Pro.

Project is very CPU-intensive when laying out reports and other printouts. It's just not feasible for everyday use.

Internet Explorer and the rest of MS Office under VPC is OK, but not great.

tooki

P.S. What is TA?

[Xeo]

Originally posted by tooki:
P.S. What is TA?

Total Annihilation? Dunno.

[romeosc]

Should have had Safeware.com insurance (about $60 per year per $1,000 declared value!)

Covers video equiptment as well!

[Tsilou B.]

PearPC is getting faster:
When version 0.1 was released, it emulated 1/500 of the speed of the host pc. The current version has a just-in-time compiler that works on x86 chips only (the 1/500 emulation can run on almost every platform), but emulates 1/15 of the speed of the host pc. The next version (0.4) has again been improved, someone from hardmac.com has tested it and had this to say:

I tested again PearPC (v 0.4pre) after downloading the sources through CVS.

The skinny: HUGE progress has been achieved. Installation on my 2.0GHz P4 took about 1hr and worked perfectly. I now have MacOS X.3 installed on a "783MHz PowerPC G3", and it's running smoothly. The only thing I couldn't get to work is networking, but it's supposed to work so it's probably me.
Just imagine what it would feel like on a 3.6GHz P4 or better an AMD64 4000+...

However, even with that version, you won't be able to use Final Cut Pro - the graphics performance is still horrible. There's no 2D and no 3D acceleration. When the PearPC folks have completed their graphics drivers, then PearPC on a fast PC will finally be about as usable as VPC is on a G5 - and it will actually have better graphics, because Microsoft has not yet included 3D acceleration in VPC.

And concerning CherryOS - it has been proved that the prerelease of CherryOS uses at least parts of PearPC's source code - and some testers say that it's not faster than PearPC either. But it's not clear if the product is really a hoax in the sense that it has never existed. It looks like it will indeed be released in nine days. We'll know more on "November 25, 2004".

[Luca Rescigno]

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