[proceedNeXT]

My english is just not good enough, to say what I want and to make my standpoint clear. However, I am not somebody how starts bashing (whatever that means) OS X without that I've even thought about my arguments.

I thought of a better solution for communication and I found that images are a good way. So I did the first part of a little small flash movie, that shows what I miss in OS X. For this first part it's: starting points, real toolbars and the view-switching-controll as I call it.

Shown in this movie is a litte AppleWorks-like application that works with images and texts. It has a standard toolbar, which hold items like save, open and so on, and it has a toolbar for image editing and a toolbar for textformatting. The text on the toolbars in the movie are just to tell, which is the image and which the textformatting toolbar, and won't be on real toolbars.

The movie is not as wonderful as Apple ones, but I think it serves its purpose. Here it is: http://www.forty-seven.de/Stuff/PARTI.swf

EDIT: Forgot to say that it is ugly, too.

[This message has been edited by proceedNeXT (edited 05-14-2001).]

[Chrisspoon]

....and by the way, the macnn forum appears to be really a Mac FANATIC forum... when you see the number of post in the "Post your osx desktop screenshot here" thread... oh my god.

[Kosmo]

Since English is not your first language I tried my best to interpet your meaning in the above post. Still not certain what you're saying though...but if you are claiming that I cannot be productive in a professional way in OS X you are sorely mistaken. I'm not 16, I'm 47 and I make my living on the Mac. I have seen an increase in my productivity, not a decrease, and it bothers me that you, claiming to be a professional, cannot seem to accept the fact that some people are productive...

I make a damn good living doing design work and consulting. I do it on OSX now, period.

I'm not a Mac fanatic, although I do write about Apple often, and I don't think you have to be a fanatic to enjoy OS X.

If you want to wait for a carbonized version of your favorite applications that fine, but if I or anyone else want to design within OS X/Classic I don't think you have the right to tell us otherwise.

There is nothing in OS 9 that I cannot do in OS X, and there is plenty I can do in OS X that I cannot do in OS 9...

PhotoShop and GoLive are as fast, if not faster, in my DP 450 running in Classic than running them in OS 9...and more stable to boot

I will admit, however, that the G4 chip makes OS X productive for me, if I had to design on a G3 I might not be so adamant about it, but then again, these computers are my tools and I upgrade them every year.


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[Kosmo]

Wow, that was interesting...I tried to view your Flash movie and I happened to be in OS X IE and it wouldn't play...so I saved it to the desktop and double clicked on it...QT Player launch and played the Flash movie perfectly... kinda cool, never did that before

Care to explain what this Flash movie represents?

Thanks!

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[Chrisspoon]

You understand all my post Kosmo, thank you.

[Hash]

Foobars,
everytime you open your mouth to drop out some ingenious thoughts, which your unlimited imagination and impressive thinking could grasp, i only wish you print ur mumblings out, put in a frame, hang on a wall and look at it everyday, saying : "I am genius, i am so smart". NOthing in history of humanity can reach elegance and wisdom of your droppings, sorry, thoughts

[Hash]

Kosmo,
1. i looked at your page, that you advertise here every time you need to bash something. Graphics are not bad, look crisp, but the page itself looks rather like a beginning of a horror movie, rather than something devoted to digital art. Although it loads fast, i think you could design something less death-inspired.

2. That you can work under OSX, means simply that you do not use much scanners, digital cameras and probably artpad. This is a rare for other graphic pros. I work with Illustrator, Freehand, Painter, and i think most of graphic pros prefer OS 9. Know why? When i am drawing, i am not listening to iTunes or surfe net, i am concentrated. Thats why i dont need multitasking. And when large files are processed i d rather enjoy coffee than stay in front of display. Kosmo: eyes are IMPORTANT

[MusicMac]

I may be completely alone here, but OS X has NEVER locked up or crashed on any of my machines. Ever. (G4/400, G3/266, PB G3/400) I did the beta test too, and that didn't even lock up or crash. I'd say that makes it a pretty advanced OS. Fine, it's lacking some features we've been used to. Stop beating a dead horse and get over it.

[foobars]

Originally posted by Hash:
Foobars,
everytime you open your mouth to drop out some ingenious thoughts, which your unlimited imagination and impressive thinking could grasp, i only wish you print ur mumblings out, put in a frame, hang on a wall and look at it everyday, saying : "I am genius, i am so smart". NOthing in history of humanity can reach elegance and wisdom of your droppings, sorry, thoughts

Hey Hash I read your post in the X on Intel thread. It's nice to see that you can copy and paste. My question to you is what you are still doing here after you said you'd never to use OSX and would buy a PC next:
http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/Foru...ML/002755.html

[Chrisspoon]

I don't think we are here to criticize the works of other...
It's not the place.

We can maybe start a "post your designing works" thread. reserved to design FANATIC.

[proceedNeXT]

Kosmo:
I've looked at your page. Seems like you, too, like the view-switcher, don't you?

[Kosmo]

Hash, thanks for your constructive critisism of my graphics. My client insists on using a black background with blueish letters. I listen to my clients, make suggestions, but since they pay me $65 an hour i do what THEY want if I can't change their mind...

What do you mean I advertise? I have never soliticed work on these forums, in fact, I turn down work every day simply because I don't want to do it...I have all the work I want. Surely you don't think I am solictiing work here?

proceedNEXT, not sure what you mean by view-swticher. Care to explain? I'm not up to speed with buzzwords used in this industry...

I showed this work and left myself open to the critisism of the forum readers just to show that the work can be done easily in OSX..

You are right, I do use a Intuos tablet (beta drivers are due at the WWDC) so I don't use it yet...and Freehand (v10 I'm reviewing now). My Olympus E-10 works fine hooked up to my machine, my Lexar card reader doesn't, but will in a couple of weeks. But my Sandisk Imagemate does work with OS X and it's only $30...

My Canon 1220U works in Classic, always has since K78. My Nikon Coolscan works now that I installed the adaptec 2930 and their beta drivers...so I'm all set. My Maxtor 80GIG firewire works, as does my zip-cdrw and my sony firewire cdrw....

I just bought the Olympus P400 Dye-sub printer, no OS X drivers yet but it works fine in Classic. But I think I'll be using it with compact flash and smartmedia inserted anyway.

Hash, proceedNEXT, can you describe your probelms specifically with any hardware/software you use in graphic design? Maybe I can help..



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[Hash]

Kosmo,
forget about the page, i agree you should listen to clients (although their design tastes seem to me rather gothic-inspited (only skull is missing), but anyway, its ok..
Fine that you can your appliances; however, if you use them (almost all as i understand) under Classic, you can surely use them under 9.1. Why the insistance on using OSX even you dont still have drivers for the stuff?

For me, the overall feel of OSX is not crisp and somewhat diluted and i would say not sharp but rather soft and not cool at all. It is like working sitting on very soft sofa, you dont feel fit, stable or fast enough. It is of course individual perception. Plus, it lost some small but nice details of OS9 (wont detail em here, all are known). Graphics of OSX are not good enough, that PDF look and antialiasing everywhere, plus bad system fonts just make me hate it.

[Kosmo]

I'm using a Dual processor hash, so for me it's plenty fast. Even on my TiBook it's fast enough... You should try Freehand for X, it's very cool...

I was going to post yesterday about how things look on my display. I rather like the way text looks on my Studio Display. As for sharpness, go to Apple's Quicktime site and view the latest trailer for Jurassic Park 3. Even in IE the movie looks incredible..sharp, colorful, and fluid..
Want to see the power of the graphic layers? Do the slow minimize while playing this trailer in your browser... it's just incredible, it keeps playing while being sucked into the dock and when you bring it back out it doesn't skip a beat...I loved it!

I'll be honest about hardware support. I go to Wacom's site every other day hoping to see a beta driver for my Intuos...that is something I truly miss...but they say they are working on it and it will be there soon...


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[GnOm]

Originally posted by Kosmo:
...Intuos tablet (beta drivers are due at the WWDC)

a little bit OT here but I can´t wait for those.
Can you give me a few more details please.
I just have the feeling that I have to wait a little longer since I´m using an ADB one and not USB.

thanks, cu.

[dogzilla]

Originally posted by GnOm:

a little bit OT here but I can´t wait for those.
Can you give me a few more details please.
I just have the feeling that I have to wait a little longer since I´m using an ADB one and not USB.

thanks, cu.

Thought I read that Wacom was at least thinking about OSX ADB drivers due to feedback requesting it.

[edddeduck]

Kosmo I hear what you are saying I am a student who has started making web sites on the side for a bit of cash.

My DP runs everything as fast as in 9. Its more stable 2 KP's

1 due to modem while downloading louis's patch
1 due to a powercut during 10.0.2 update it looked ok but CD did a KP. Re-installed and burns fine.

I also do alot of work in photoshop retouching photo's both this and my web site work is all done in X.

O yes I almost forgot all my real work programming etc is also done in x...

I hope that for people who X is not ready yet all the apps etc you need are released soon coz I am enjoying X so much

p.s. Hash & friends please stop trying to get a rise out of people this is called trolling

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[GnOm]

Originally posted by dogzilla:
Thought I read that Wacom was at least thinking about OSX ADB drivers due to feedback requesting it.

that´s right, from Wacom Support:

"Wacom will monitor the situation and implement support programs for ADB and serial tablet users at an appropriate time (2nd half of 2001)."


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