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Zoomzar · Dec 30, 2004, 11:12 AM

Hi

Am I the only one not to happy about the 10.3.7 upgrade? Yes it makes the OS faster and more responsive, but never had I had that many kernel panic!!. Since I started using OS X, which was from the first release, I had 3 kernel panics in total. But on 10.3.7 I had 1 or 2 a day!!! I am back on 10.3.6 now, because I prefere stability over the small improvements in speed.

Rasmus Storm
Denmark

Powerbook G4 12" 1 Ghz

MacGorilla · Dec 30, 2004, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Zoomzar:
Hi

Am I the only one not to happy about the 10.3.7 upgrade? Yes it makes the OS faster and more responsive, but never had I had that many kernel panic!!. Since I started using OS X, which was from the first release, I had 3 kernel panics in total. But on 10.3.7 I had 1 or 2 a day!!! I am back on 10.3.6 now, because I prefere stability over the small improvements in speed.

Rasmus Storm
Denmark

Powerbook G4 12" 1 Ghz

mmmm what kind of problems are you having or are you just blowing off steam?

Zoomzar · Dec 30, 2004, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
mmmm what kind of problems are you having or are you just blowing off steam?

No I am curious to find out if I am the only one having the problem or if others are experiencing the same. If it's only me I am thinking it might be hardware related - I just had a new harddrive.

The problems I had was the sign telling me to restart by holding down the powerbutton until the computer turned off. It only happened to me 3 times before, except for when my harddrive was dying. Anyway I am back on 10.3.6 and the next few days will show if it's the system or my computer

Rasmus

cpac · Dec 30, 2004, 11:41 AM

basically, you seem to be asking if everybody experienced the same massive instability you described with 10.3.7.

The short answer is "no."

Now - whether the instability is due to some rare bug that affects you (i.e. an Apple problem), or if it's due to a corrupt disk/bad hardware (i.e. your problem) is up for debate, but no - if everybody (or even a significant percentage) were experiencing 2-3 kernel panics a day, you can bet your life there'd be a lot more noise made about it.

Angus_D · Dec 30, 2004, 01:58 PM

You could, like, provide the contents of your panic.log file to Apple so they can determine the cause.

paully dub · Dec 30, 2004, 02:16 PM

I've been having kernel panics since 10.3.7, but I had attributed it to other things (my hd). However everything checks out on all kinds of tests so if you want panic.log, have ataste of this (a sample):

Tue Dec 28 19:01:39 2004

Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000000000008 PC=0x000000000021657C
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x2517BA00)
PC=0x0021657C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000008; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000B5E44; R1=0x12033290; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x000B5DC0 0x000B5B30 0x000B4C98 0x000B3DD4 0x000B3EE4 0x001D010C 0x001F4168 0x001F53A8
0x001F1714 0x001D1580 0x001D1080 0x001DACAC 0x001DB8F8 0x000BE344 0x000BDD8C 0x000C7AE4
0x002463C4 0x00094260 0x000A0009
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2517BA00)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x253CD280)
PC=0x900144CC; MSR=0x0200F030; DAR=0x02CA87A3; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x910CF928; R1=0xBFFFEF30; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0:
Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000836E4 0x00083BC8 0x0001EDA4 0x00090CD8 0x000940CC
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2517BA00)
PC=0x0021657C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000008; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000B5E44; R1=0x12033290; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x000B5DC0 0x000B5B30 0x000B4C98 0x000B3DD4 0x000B3EE4 0x001D010C 0x001F4168 0x001F53A8
0x001F1714 0x001D1580 0x001D1080 0x001DACAC 0x001DB8F8 0x000BE344 0x000BDD8C 0x000C7AE4
0x002463C4 0x00094260 0x000A0009
Exception state (sv=0x253CD280)
PC=0x900144CC; MSR=0x0200F030; DAR=0x02CA87A3; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x910CF928; R1=0xBFFFEF30; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0:
Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

*********

Tue Dec 28 21:01:35 2004

panic(cpu 0): bremfree: lost tail
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000836E4 0x00083BC8 0x0001EDA4 0x000B389C 0x000C0A44 0x000C21C0 0x000C2610 0x001E8BB4
0x001E4DEC 0x000C56E8 0x000C30DC 0x0021768C 0x00220200 0x002463C4 0x00094260 0x00090009
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x24D83000)
PC=0x9005F24C; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x25D08000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x000027A8; R1=0xBFFFFEB0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0:
Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

These are simply three of them. The most recent one today went unlogged.

Hmm...

Zoomzar · Dec 30, 2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Angus_D:
You could, like, provide the contents of your panic.log file to Apple so they can determine the cause.

Good point! Only I formatted the drive and installed 10.3.6 and so far my powerbook has been running 28 hours without panics. I actually didn't know that such a logfile excisted

Rasmus

Big Mac · Dec 30, 2004, 03:39 PM

And from the subject of this thread, I thought the OP was effusively praising that god among OS releases 10.3.7. Most misleading subject line ever.

mattyd · Dec 30, 2004, 04:50 PM

I installed 10.3.7 yesterday and did get one kernal panic as I was retstarting a few hours later. But, I had just finished ripping, compressing and burning a bunch of DVDs so I though my Mac was just tired.

Angus_D · Dec 31, 2004, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by paully dub:
I've been having kernel panics since 10.3.7, but I had attributed it to other things (my hd). However everything checks out on all kinds of tests so if you want panic.log, have ataste of this (a sample):

If you can provide the following information:

Summary, Steps to Reproduce, Actual Results, Expected Results, a System Profiler report and any other information you think would be useful.

I'll file a bug on your behalf.

Angus_D · Dec 31, 2004, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by mattyd:
I installed 10.3.7 yesterday and did get one kernal panic as I was retstarting a few hours later. But, I had just finished ripping, compressing and burning a bunch of DVDs so I though my Mac was just tired.

No, kernel panics should never happen. The same goes to you, if you provide the relevant information I'll file a bug with Apple.

Or either of you can file the bugs yourselves.

Grrr · Dec 31, 2004, 07:46 AM

Running 10.3.7 on a 12" 1ghz PowerBook here too. No crashes or panics or whatever..
In fact it hasn't crashed since I bought it over a year ago, regardless of OS, and it see's lots of use.

Zoomzar · Dec 31, 2004, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Grrr:
Running 10.3.7 on a 12" 1ghz PowerBook here too. No crashes or panics or whatever..
In fact it hasn't crashed since I bought it over a year ago, regardless of OS, and it see's lots of use.

Sorry guys it was on my powerbook the problem was - just had another kernel panic with 10.3.6. I noticed it happens when I physically move the computer, so I guess it's the harddrive again.

Rasmus

Toyin · Dec 31, 2004, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Zoomzar:
Sorry guys it was on my powerbook the problem was - just had another kernel panic with 10.3.6. I noticed it happens when I physically move the computer, so I guess it's the harddrive again.

Rasmus

You shouldn't move your laptop while the hard drive is spinning. It's better to put the laptop to sleep and then move. Obviously for smaller moves it's easier to keep the laptop open, just be careful.

Zoomzar · Dec 31, 2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Toyin:
You shouldn't move your laptop while the hard drive is spinning. It's better to put the laptop to sleep and then move. Obviously for smaller moves it's easier to keep the laptop open, just be careful.

By the way......how do you get the kernel panic log's??

Rasmus

paully dub · Dec 31, 2004, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Zoomzar:
By the way......how do you get the kernel panic log's??

Rasmus

HD> Library>Logs>panic.log

Just had me a kp! Looks like this:

Fri Dec 31 16:31:26 2004

Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000000000018 PC=0x00000000000B3A0C
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x249F1500)
PC=0x000B3A0C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000018; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000B5C60; R1=0x11EBB680; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x00000200 0x000B5C60 0x000B5B30 0x000B4C98 0x000B3DD4 0x000B3EE4 0x001FA838 0x001FB2BC
0x001FA944 0x001FA500 0x001F9530 0x001DEF4C 0x001DF888 0x001EBC08 0x000C8CA0 0x002463C4
0x00094260 0x00000000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x249F1500)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x24A38000)
PC=0x9004C3EC; MSR=0x0200D030; DAR=0x01473020; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0002DB40; R1=0xF0080740; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0:
Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000836E4 0x00083BC8 0x0001EDA4 0x00090CD8 0x000940CC
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x249F1500)
PC=0x000B3A0C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000018; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000B5C60; R1=0x11EBB680; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x00000200 0x000B5C60 0x000B5B30 0x000B4C98 0x000B3DD4 0x000B3EE4 0x001FA838 0x001FB2BC
0x001FA944 0x001FA500 0x001F9530 0x001DEF4C 0x001DF888 0x001EBC08 0x000C8CA0 0x002463C4
0x00094260 0x00000000
Exception state (sv=0x24A38000)
PC=0x9004C3EC; MSR=0x0200D030; DAR=0x01473020; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0002DB40; R1=0xF0080740; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0:
Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

Zoomzar · Dec 31, 2004, 10:48 AM

Here is my latest. Anyone who can translate it into something I can understand

??

Rasmus

Fri Dec 31 13:54:21 2004

panic(cpu 0): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 00000000004235F0, msr = 0000000000149030, dsisr = 42000000, dar = 00000000EFFFF590
AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000
L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 00000000c0000000

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000836E4 0x00083BC8 0x0001EDA4 0x00091634 0x00090920 0x0009406C
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x1FDDEA00)
PC=0x004235F0; MSR=0x00149030; DAR=0xEFFFF590; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x00435758; R1=0x0CDEBD30; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
Backtrace:
0x01538C60 0x00435758 0x0026760C 0x002664EC 0x00266450
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.AppleAirPort2(3.4.4)@0x3f4000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x395000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily(1.4.0)@0x3d7000
Exception state (sv=0x00CEEC80)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.6.0:
Sun Oct 10 12:05:27 PDT 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.4.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

mattyd · Dec 31, 2004, 11:19 AM

Here's mine...

*********

Wed Dec 29 21:18:53 2004

Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x00000000000000AC PC=0x00000000000C2AC8
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x2D432A00)
PC=0x000C2AC8; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x000000AC; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000C2AA8; R1=0x171038B0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x000C2AA8 0x000C1BC0 0x000C2360 0x000C2610 0x000C3BAC 0x00078C3C 0x000690BC 0x00068A48
0x0006BEA4 0x0022C3E4 0x0022B80C 0x0022B8D8 0x0022B938 0x00217670 0x00220200 0x002463C4
0x00094260 0x00000000
backtrace terminated - frame not mapped or invalid: 0xBFFFFEB0

Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2D432A00)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x2DC93A00)
PC=0x9005F24C; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x0030D300; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000027A8; R1=0xBFFFFEB0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0:
Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000836E4 0x00083BC8 0x0001EDA4 0x00090CD8 0x000940CC
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2D432A00)
PC=0x000C2AC8; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x000000AC; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000C2AA8; R1=0x171038B0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x000C2AA8 0x000C1BC0 0x000C2360 0x000C2610 0x000C3BAC 0x00078C3C 0x000690BC 0x00068A48
0x0006BEA4 0x0022C3E4 0x0022B80C 0x0022B8D8 0x0022B938 0x00217670 0x00220200 0x002463C4
0x00094260 0x00000000
backtrace terminated - frame not mapped or invalid: 0xBFFFFEB0

Exception state (sv=0x2DC93A00)
PC=0x9005F24C; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x0030D300; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x000027A8; R1=0xBFFFFEB0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0:
Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

jasong · Dec 31, 2004, 02:34 PM

Zoomzar, your panic is implicating Airport, maybe the card came loose while installing the new hard drive (since you stated this only happens when you move it). Try pulling out the airport card and reseating it.

-- Jason

Zoomzar · Jan 3, 2005, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by jasong:
Zoomzar, your panic is implicating Airport, maybe the card came loose while installing the new hard drive (since you stated this only happens when you move it). Try pulling out the airport card and reseating it.

-- Jason

It's amazing!!! I took the battery out and pushed the Airport card and it went 3-4mm further in. And I haven't had one kernel panic sinces!! THANK YOU!!!

Rasmus

Simon · Jan 4, 2005, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by Zoomzar:
It's amazing!!! I took the battery out and pushed the Airport card and it went 3-4mm further in. And I haven't had one kernel panic sinces!! THANK YOU!!!

Of course. KPs should NEVER happen. If they do you have to ask yourself two things:

� did I screw around with system files w/o knowing WTH I was doing?
� did I add new hardware or fiddle around with my previous hardware?

If both can be answered with no you should have the Mac repaired because probably there is broken hardware. If you answer one with yes, you know who's to blame and what's to do.

hcorf · Jan 5, 2005, 11:56 AM

lol,

just checked the panic.log file on this iBook (which i use loads), and the last entry is from 12 months ago.........

doesnt happen much with windows boxes, my friend's pc sometimes crashes when trying to start up.

cSurfr · Jan 5, 2005, 07:02 PM

well while i haven't had any problems with panics in 10.3.7, i have had problems with itunes unexpectedly quiting on me. This only happened after i formatted and did a clean install of 10.3 then the 10.3.7 combo updater... And i've done it 3 times....same result.