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fisherKing · Jan 24, 2005, 09:34 AM

24jan, and cocktail 3.5.2 is out...
includes "support for 10.3.8".

so...when is the update due, and anyone know what's in it??

ahh...speculation....

Grrr · Jan 24, 2005, 10:29 AM

All I know is what I have seen on here..
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=844

alphasubzero949 · Jan 24, 2005, 02:42 PM

Moving along...

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 24, 2005, 02:59 PM

What is wrong with 10.3.7 that .8 fixes and we need so badly?

CatOne · Jan 24, 2005, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by fisherKing:
24jan, and cocktail 3.5.2 is out...
includes "support for 10.3.8".

so...when is the update due, and anyone know what's in it??

ahh...speculation....

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Millennium · Jan 24, 2005, 05:03 PM

The update is due when it's ready. It will include under-the-hood improvements which will have absolutely no noticeable effect for about 95% of people who upgrade. The speculation on these minor point upgrades will, as always, turn out to be utterly meaningless.

Wiskedjak · Jan 24, 2005, 05:51 PM

Only Apple users can get excited over a patch ...

MartiNZ · Jan 24, 2005, 06:22 PM

Yes indeed ... and check over and over again in Software Update when one is rumoured to be imminent (never done it only heard about it

).

I think 10.3.8 sounds nicer than 10.3.7, and of course the .7 makes one think of the major issues that accompanied the short-lived 10.2.7 - thankfully I missed out on that

!

But really just new version numbers, no matter how small, are exciting to Mac users, I find, so I'm all for it

.

ManOfSteal · Jan 24, 2005, 06:28 PM

fisherKing · Jan 24, 2005, 07:57 PM

okay, just mentioning it...
(runs & buries head in sand)

Cadaver · Jan 24, 2005, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
It will include under-the-hood improvements which will have absolutely no noticeable effect for about 95% of people who upgrade.

Duh! No!!! It'll be snappier�

MPMoriarty · Jan 24, 2005, 09:40 PM

Ah, I remember like it was just yesterday that Panther was just released to the public. And now here we are at 10.3.8 with Tiger approaching soon. Very good times.

Of course, I haven't been using Mac OS X since it was 10.0

Those were probably some interesting days. Does anybody remember your thoughts on how Mac OS X was at that time?

Mike

Kate · Jan 25, 2005, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Millennium:
......It will include under-the-hood improvements which will have absolutely no noticeable effect for about 95% of people who upgrade.....

The 5% affected have a different view. We're more on the "bottle-is-half-empty" side, while you're looking forward to the next sip.

And you 95% guys can enjoy some more snappyness� here and there. And, hm hardware support and hm, oh...

Goldfinger · Jan 25, 2005, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Only Apple users can get excited over a patch ...

...Because we don't get as many patches as our windows using friends

Millennium · Jan 25, 2005, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by Kate:
And you 95% guys can enjoy some more snappyness� here and there. And, hm hardware support and hm, oh...

When I say that there is no noticeable effect for 95% of the users, I include snappyness�. For the most part it's only a placebo effect.

Kate · Jan 25, 2005, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by Millennium:
When I say that there is no noticeable effect for 95% of the users, I include snappyness�. For the most part it's only a placebo effect.

Yes, and for the non placebo part it is OpenGL...

alphasubzero949 · Jan 25, 2005, 05:47 AM

Who needs Cocktail when you have a free built-in utility that does the same thing.

Then again, there's Onyx as well. I just hope that developer doesn't become greedy and start charging for automagic cleaning and rebooting.

SSharon · Jan 25, 2005, 08:23 AM

Has the audio bug introduced in 10.3.6 for the MDD series been fixed here. I may not be 95% of the population but I avoided both 10.3.6 and .7 because of some of the threads I read in the Powermac forum. I went with the logic that if it aint broken don't fix it, but now I am missing out on the few small improvements.

Mrjinglesusa · Jan 25, 2005, 08:27 AM

I hear 10.3.8 will be out sometime...

Seriously, who cares? It's a freaking point update! Everyone will install it when it comes out and will notice NOTHING different unless they happen to be one of the FEW people that were affected by a very MINOR bug. We will all go to our About Mac screen to make absolutely certain it got installed. Gotta love being a Mac user.

chris v · Jan 25, 2005, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by MPMoriarty:
Does anybody remember your thoughts on how Mac OS X was at that time?

Yeah, I can remember the heady days of OS 10.1 when we used to get new features in our point releases...

juanvaldes · Jan 25, 2005, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by MPMoriarty:
Those were probably some interesting days. Does anybody remember your thoughts on how Mac OS X was at that time?

I was downright worried after Public Beta and 10.0

But I started getting late 10.1 betas and with the basic feature set finally there it got much better fast. Then 10.2 and 10.3 happened and all the hard work getting the foundation set correctly is really paying off in spades.

Appleman · Jan 25, 2005, 09:16 AM

I remember an iTunes update...and lots of people lost their music...

Kate · Jan 25, 2005, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by MPMoriarty:
Ah, I remember like it was just yesterday that Panther was just released to the public. And now here we are at 10.3.8 with Tiger approaching soon. Very good times.

Of course, I haven't been using Mac OS X since it was 10.0

Those were probably some interesting days. Does anybody remember your thoughts on how Mac OS X was at that time?

Mike

You have not used X since the initial release?

Come on...

10.0 was an impertinence even for an alpha release. We were one step away from desaster. now we're 3.8 steps further.

Cadaver · Jan 25, 2005, 10:09 AM

I've been using MacOS X since the public beta days. Still have my disc somewhere. Actually, I managed to get a copy of MacOS X DP4 - the first version with the aqua interface. Now that was some freaky stuff.

I remember, during the public beta days, doing the dual-boot thing... Boot to OS X to play with the dock, boot to OS9 to actually use the computer. Although, at the time, I had mostly switched to Windows 2000 (on a PC running at a then-amazing, cutting edge 1.0GHz!) since I was so tired of OS9's crash-prone nature.

10.0 was pretty much the same, though I could often get by using Classic mode.

At some point right around the release of the free 10.1 update, I managed to get a pre-release version of Microsoft Office X. That went a long way to allowing me to use OS X nearly full-time, with Classic mode for things like Photoshop 5 LE and PowerPoint (since that module wasn't quite stable in the first pre-release I had). I did have to re-boot to OS9 to use my CD-RW drive, however. But I saw the potential of OS X's future, and began migrating back away from Windows 2000.

10.1 fixed some of the CD-RW stuff, and I was able to use OS X for nearly all things (I had the Office X pre-release, Corel Draw/Photopaint and GraphicConverter for native OS X graphics, IE for web browsing, Mail for email, etc). I wasn't dependent on apps like Quark or Adobe Photoshop thankfully, so I could use OS X native replacements.

10.2 brought full-time, 100% OS X usage (for me, at least). I was even able to dump Classic from my drive, and I haven't looked back since.

I cringe now whenever I see a Mac running a pre-OS X operating system. These older OS's seem like such toys now. Fragile, fragile toys.

brutal · Jan 25, 2005, 11:54 AM

as long as it doesn't include Safari 1.3, I couldn't care less.

Tyler McAdams · Jan 25, 2005, 12:03 PM

"Offering more graphics driver and OpenGL performance fixes since the previous build."

That's all I care about... and all I will care about untill OS X's Aqua interface doesn't actually *feel* like it's underwater.

Kate · Jan 25, 2005, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
"Offering more graphics driver and OpenGL performance fixes since the previous build."

That's all I care about... and all I will care about untill OS X's Aqua interface doesn't actually *feel* like it's underwater.

There's a relief box in transit for you, it is called Tiger tough....

Tyler McAdams · Jan 25, 2005, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Kate:
There's a relief box in transit for you, it is called Tiger tough....

Excellent! I was beginning to wonder if the "Aqua - underwater" feeling was by design

But seriously, I just won't be happy until OS X is as snappy as XP. It's still extremely evident for anybody who works on both platforms with the exact same applications. OS X just feels underwater conpaired to XP.

Boondoggle · Jan 25, 2005, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Kate:
There's a relief box in transit for you, it is called Tiger tough....

That has been said about every release of OSX to-date..

It has been getting faster though. Just not faster fast enough!

bd

Tyler McAdams · Jan 25, 2005, 01:06 PM

It has been getting faster though. Just not faster fast enough!

At least it *is* getting faster

Dale Sorel · Jan 25, 2005, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by brutal:
as long as it doesn't include Safari 1.3, I couldn't care less.

Oh well, here's hoping it does included Safari 1.3

MacGallant · Jan 25, 2005, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by SSharon:
Has the audio bug introduced in 10.3.6 for the MDD series been fixed here. I may not be 95% of the population but I avoided both 10.3.6 and .7 because of some of the threads I read in the Powermac forum. I went with the logic that if it aint broken don't fix it, but now I am missing out on the few small improvements.

Hopefully, the audio problem will get resolved in OSX 10.3.8.

Here's a quote I read from AppleInsider that maybe related:

"According to reports around the web, Mac OS X 10.3.8 build 7U10 delivers a kernel fix for 'Audio component.' No other changes to the software were noted."

Tsilou B. · Jan 25, 2005, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Cadaver:
I've been using MacOS X since the public beta days. Still have my disc somewhere. Actually, I managed to get a copy of MacOS X DP4 - the first version with the aqua interface. Now that was some freaky stuff.

Actually, it was DP3 - in DP4 only the size of the Aqua controls was updated to match the size of the Platinum controls, because developers didn't want to create two separate versions of every dialog - one for Mac OS X and another one for Mac OS 9.

Superchicken · Jan 25, 2005, 04:24 PM

I don't see how you have a problem with any Apps under OS X. On my "puny" 1Ghz G4 12 inch PB, it's quite zippy, do you have like zero megs of RAM or something? At 700+ I'm doing absolutely fine, I can't think of a time recently when I've had to wait for anything aside from launching a few Apps that take a while to launch no matter what you use.

iREZ · Jan 25, 2005, 04:44 PM

Gotta agree with Superchicken. I got the same PB and lots of RAM so no slow downs here.

Tyler McAdams · Jan 25, 2005, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
I don't see how you have a problem with any Apps under OS X. On my "puny" 1Ghz G4 12 inch PB, it's quite zippy, do you have like zero megs of RAM or something? At 700+ I'm doing absolutely fine, I can't think of a time recently when I've had to wait for anything aside from launching a few Apps that take a while to launch no matter what you use.

It's usable now but have you ever compared the snappyness between OS X and XP... even on slower hardware? It's as fast as OS 9... with stablility. there's nobody here who would not want the snappyness of OS 9 back. Thats what I want... and to see XP that snappy on slower hardware just means something to me. Maybe I can't explain it to you.

Dr. Wahnsinn · Jan 25, 2005, 10:00 PM

All this talk about OS X DP releases got me worked up.

If the image is too large, let me know and I'll change it. I couldn't find the image guidlines post.

Kate · Jan 26, 2005, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
It's usable now but have you ever compared the snappyness between OS X and XP... even on slower hardware? It's as fast as OS 9... with stablility. there's nobody here who would not want the snappyness of OS 9 back. Thats what I want... and to see XP that snappy on slower hardware just means something to me. Maybe I can't explain it to you.

exactly.

Tyler McAdams · Jan 26, 2005, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Wahnsinn:
All this talk about OS X DP releases got me worked up.

If the image is too large, let me know and I'll change it. I couldn't find the image guidlines post.

OS X in 1999? Damn! They have been holding out... damn marketing department!!!

arekkusu · Jan 26, 2005, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Tsilou B.:
Actually, it was DP3 - in DP4 only the size of the Aqua controls was updated to match the size of the Platinum controls, because developers didn't want to create two separate versions of every dialog - one for Mac OS X and another one for Mac OS 9.

We had to do that anyway, because of the font differences!
OS9: 12 point Charcoal
OSX: 13 point Lucida Grande

(well, it was not as much work as it would have been duplicating every dialog... but it still required revisiting and tweaking every dialog for font truncation/wrapping...)

Tyler McAdams · Jan 26, 2005, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by arekkusu:
We had to do that anyway, because of the font differences!
OS9: 12 point Charcoal
OSX: 13 point Lucida Grande

(well, it was not as much work as it would have been duplicating every dialog... but it still required revisiting and tweaking every dialog for font truncation/wrapping...)

You're a developer for Apple?

Angus_D · Jan 26, 2005, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Cadaver:
Duh! No!!! It'll be snappier�

They'll remove the debug code�

Dr. Wahnsinn · Jan 26, 2005, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
OS X in 1999? Damn! They have been holding out...

Actually, that version (DP2) wasn't much more than a renamed and slightly tweaked version of Rhapsody. Rhapsody first appeared in very early 1998 (or was it very late 1997?) and was a real case of NEXTSTEP meets Mac OS. One of my favourite things about X DP2 (DP1 too, I think) is that it will install on HFS+ volumes. Rhapsody would reformat anything it was to be installed on as UFS.

Tyler McAdams · Jan 26, 2005, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Wahnsinn:
Actually, that version (DP2) wasn't much more than a renamed and slightly tweaked version of Rhapsody. Rhapsody first appeared in very early 1998 (or was it very late 1997?) and was a real case of NEXTSTEP meets Mac OS. One of my favourite things about X DP2 (DP1 too, I think) is that it will install on HFS+ volumes. Rhapsody would reformat anything it was to be installed on as UFS.

Lol.. Steve Jobs and his Rhapsody... I saw the *old* Mac OS server which looked a lot like that above. The only way you could tell a difference was messing around with it since the interface looks the exact same. I had a workstation or 2 configured with UFS when OS X first came out. It was supposed to be more secure.