[Diggory Laycock]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=891

[MacGorilla]

Ummmmm...okay

[fisherKing]

bonjour is a dumb name, but...
how many times do we encounter the actual name of the technology in rendezvous?

i dont care what they call it, i just want it to work well..!

[TETENAL]

I like Rendezvous. I don't like Bon Jour.

I hope this rumour is not true.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by fisherKing:
bonjour is a dumb name, but...
how many times do we encounter the actual name of the technology in rendezvous?

Very seldom indeed, since Rendezvous is actually just a brand name. The actual name of the technology is Zeroconf.

[Kristoff]

Yeah....why not just call it Zeroconf?

Bon Jour is gay. I hate the French. Pussies.

[zzarg]

will us Aussies be allowed to refer to it as G'day ? Or it that trademarked by Crocodile Dundee ?!

[Big Mac]

They should just call it ZeroConf, the name of the standard, and be done with it.

[Simon]

Originally posted by Kristoff:
Bon Jour is gay. I hate the French. Pussies.

Consider yourself reported. It's thanks to people like you that we Americans look like a bunch of uneducated idiots to the rest of the world.

[Jan Van Boghout]

Originally posted by Simon:
Consider yourself reported. It's thanks to people like you that we Americans look like a bunch of uneducated idiots to the rest of the world.

I think (hope?) it was a joke, especially since Rendezvous is French as well

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Very seldom indeed, since Rendezvous is actually just a brand name. The actual name of the technology is Zeroconf.

No, it isn't. Zeroconf is not the same thing as Rendezvous.

The Zeroconf WG of the IETF wrapped up last November, IIRC, and their one achievement was IPv4 Link-Local Addressing (allocating IP addresses without a DHCP server). The Internet-Draft for this technology is currently sitting in the RFC Editor's queue in the AUTH status (Awaiting Author Action), and as such it is currently progressing through the internet standards process.

Multicast DNS and DNS Service Discovery are emphatically not standards. Originally there was some participation of the Zeroconf WG, however there appears to have been some disagreement (including Apple attempting to assert intellectual property rights over various things) and the Internet-Drafts for these technologies have expired (they were individual submissions from Stuart Cheshire and not from the IETF, anyway). This means that they are not currently in the internet standards process.

The www.zeroconf.org website is owned by Stuart Cheshire.

[kcmac]

I like Bonjour better than Rendezvous or ZeroConf. Saying Hello is exactly what is going on.

[Visnaut]

Originally posted by kcmac:
I like Bonjour better than Rendezvous or ZeroConf. Saying Hello is exactly what is going on.

Right, but you'd be saying "Bonjour" if present at a Rendezvous anyway.

[Dog Like Nature]

Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
I think (hope?) it was a joke, especially since Rendezvous is French as well

A joke it may have been, but racism as humour is simply not funny.

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by Dog Like Nature:
A joke it may have been, but racism as humour is simply not funny.

"French" isn't a race. It was chauvinism.

[poocat]

The attempted humor, in all directions (Apple, that means you) is quite lame. For example, Firewire is a better name than IEEE 1394 or whatever, but BonJour? that's awful. Absolutely preposterous. Sure, Rendezvous had to go, but... how about some technical name, rather than a "oh look it's foreign" name?

$0.02

[Big Mac]

Originally posted by Dog Like Nature:
A joke it may have been, but racism as humour is simply not funny.

As has been pointed out, French is a nationality. And although I don't agree with unwarranted French bashing, that post did not constitute abuse of membership. There are a lot of people that I could report for abuse simply because they routinely offend my sensibilities, but I choose not to because that report function should be limited to real abuse like spamming, hacking or consistent trolling. Additionally, just as I don't report others for their offensive views, I expect that they will show me the same courtesy in the event that I post something they dislike.

[theolein]

Although the dig at the French may have been an attempt at humour, I can well imagine that some of the more rabid nationalistic Americans might somehow mix that up with Freedom Fries versus French Fries and what have you, given that they seem to like hating people and nations outside the US.

Apple might be making a (small) marketing mistake (in the US) there.

I would have called it Freedom Connection or Liberty Link myself

[italiano]

Rabid? I got your Rabid... If it wasn't for us you'd all be goosestepping.

[theolein]

Originally posted by italiano:
Rabid? I got your Rabid... If it wasn't for us you'd all be goosestepping.

And if it wasn't for the French, you'd still be part of the Commonwealth. Where's the difference?

The point is that irrational hatred of some or other nation just because of some people who live there is silly.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

I vote for OpenTalk... A MUCH better name IMO.

[Kristoff]

Originally posted by Simon:
Consider yourself reported.

Oh no!!!! You've reported me!

What ever will I do? I feel so.....reported.

I'm sure one report in 1300 posts will get me banned for sure.
Oh, then what ever would I do? My life would be ruined!

BTW, it was a sarcastic posts to begin with.....as others have pointed out--the original name was a French word too. But, I guess some are too dim to read between the lines. (the intent being to point out how silly I think this thread is).

Regarding the above: "some" == you. And you can report that if you want. It is abusive in a way, I guess.

[nforcer]

Originally posted by kcmac:
I like Bonjour better than Rendezvous or ZeroConf. Saying Hello is exactly what is going on.

Then they should call it "Annyong".

[Chuckit]

Originally posted by nforcer:
Then they should call it "Annyong".

"Hey, how do I turn this 'Annoying' feature off? I don't want to piss off my admins!"

Really, though, if they want "Hello", there are a lot of better words. "Hola" and "Nihao" are both less fruity than "Bonjour." Although I think they ought to consider something really classy, like "E-Z Network." Now, that's stylin'.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by Chuckit:
"Hey, how do I turn this 'Annoying' feature off? I don't want to piss off my admins!"

Really, though, if they want "Hello", there are a lot of better words. "Hola" and "Nihao" are both less fruity than "Bonjour." Although I think they ought to consider something really classy, like "E-Z Network." Now, that's stylin'.

The Eee-Zed Network?

[Krypton]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
The Eee-Zed Network?

[jasong]

Originally posted by Simon:
It's thanks to people like you that we Americans look like a bunch of uneducated idiots to the rest of the world.

Um . . . we Americans as a whole are a bunch of racist uneducated idiots.

To get sort of back on topic, I liked Theoleins suggestion of "Liberty-Link" myself.

-- Jason

[CaptainHaddock]

Rendezvous was a great name, but I like Bonjour too. It sounds classy and friendly.

Opentalk sounds too much like bland corporatese for my liking. I'm glad they didn't go with that.

Off-topic, all this nationality-bashing stinks. Why are some people so eager to find others to hate? You're just embarrassing yourselves.

[lngtones]

Originally posted by Simon:
Consider yourself reported. It's thanks to people like you that we Americans look like a bunch of uneducated idiots to the rest of the world.

Maybe you should stop worrying about what other people are doing so much. It's good for the blood pressure.

Americans absolutely do not look like uneducated idiots to the "rest of the world". It's not us vs. them. There are thousands of people coming to the U.S. every year just to study in American schools.

Damn hippies.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by lngtones:
Americans absolutely do not look like uneducated idiots to the "rest of the world".

Have you visited the rest of the world recently?

[Kristoff]

I have. But from now on, I think I'll just stay home.

[jamil5454]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
The Eee-Zed Network?

Three years studying French... it's finally now paid off.

That was good

[Chuckit]

Originally posted by jamil5454:
Three years studying French... it's finally now paid off.

Uh...that was British English, I think. Also works in French, though.

[bsodmike]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
Have you visited the rest of the world recently?

This really made me laugh...!

[lngtones]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
Have you visited the rest of the world recently?

Why yes I have. I have personally taken a census of the opinions of every single living thing in the world.

That's such a vague statement. There is no "rest of the world." If you think there is maybe you're just a little insecure so that you have to blame us for your problems? What kind of pompous a****** thinks they can talk about what the rest of the world thinks.

I know many people who hav enot been in the U.S. for even a year yet from many different countries and not a single one of them thinks Americans are all idiots.

I don't know about your education, maybe you don't realize America is HUGE. Making generalizations about the entire American people is insanity.

[zzarg]

as a mixed nationality (French English) person who grew up in England, travelled for a decade around Europe (East and West) lived in the US and now lives in Australia I love this thread !

Beside Bonjour sounding a little lame, it's also a lot harder to pronounce correctly than Rendezvous - which is probably going to upset a lot of French speakers (including French Canadians, many Pacific Islanders etc)

Then we get on to the off-topic French and American bashing. Geez, the Americans are a little touchy on a lot of topics but they do seem to forget who helped them leave the CommonWealth and gave them their most recognisable national monument (heck I visited the mountain with Presidents heads on but I couldn't tell you who they are. I was more impressed with Stone Mountain - damn Yankees !)

The French have a reputation for being touchy about people messing with, and messing up their language... but I don't think they (as a whole, or probably individually... maybe with one or two exceptions like my Gran'mere but she doesn't read this forum) are going to protest to their embassy about a couple of posts or a product name.

Let's also not forget that the US is diminishing in terms of a world economic power... read somewhere the other day that the GDP of the EU (if they ever stop bickering) actually exceeds the US (and don't forget - France is part of the EU !) and China has a greater land-mass, population and buying power - there is still an artificial concentration of patent/trademark mad organisations in the US but the rest of the world is catching up... and at the day innovation will count....

It would be nice to clear up the differences between Bonjour and ZeroConf (separate marketing speak from technical implementations) and find out when it's going to be fully cross platform and ubiquitous enough to actually be a standard - at which point it'll get a nice standards number and the Redmond and Cupertino folks can argue over naming all over again !

Personally I think iLink should have been the Apple name for IEEE1394, and Sony get to use Firewire

And Bonjour *is* a silly name. Hey, buy this printer... it's Bonjour enabled ?! It doesn't work for me (but then again neither did Rendezvous) - but I imagine all the good works are trademarked by now

[gudin]

Originally posted by italiano:
Rabid? I got your Rabid... If it wasn't for us you'd all be goosestepping.

Americans (assuming you are one) seem to have this weird idea that we beat the Germans in WWII pretty much single handedly. I don't know if this is the public school system, or just jingoistic nationalist nonsense, but it is nonsense.

Yes, we played a role. Yes, we played a bigger role in beating the Germans than the French (that pesky Atlantic Ocean is tougher to invade across than the Rhine), and maybe (probably) more than the British (they had that Pesky English Channel themselves, again tougher to invade across than the Rhine)

However:
1. The Free-French were much more significant than we give them credit for (18 divisions in europe at the end of 1944, compared to 70 or so for the US, not bad for a country that had been occupied for 4 years), and WAAAAAYYYY more significantly,

2. The Soviet Union basically beat the Germans by themselves. Yes, by the time the Soviets were already winning, we started sending them lots of stuff (spring and summer 1943 around the time of the Battle of Kursk), but, as I said, they had already turned the tide. The Germans were going to lose. The Soviets were massively out producing Germany's Empire, and had developed doctrine that was proving very effective.

So in that sense, without the Soviet Union, we could say that europe would have all been goose-stepping to the Nazi's tune.

me

PS: If you are not an American, the name Italiano implies you are italian, and that would make your "without us, we'd all be goose-stepping" argument weirder still.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by Dog Like Nature:
A joke it may have been, but racism as humour is simply not funny.

Um, there's a big difference between race and nationality... Besides, half the world seems to hate Americans, INCLUDING the French...

Sites like this state when you travel abroad, and you are American, you should try to identify yourself as being Canadian as not to be discriminated against...

Does this mean all these countries are racist??? Or is hating Americans the only type of nationality hatred that isn't considered racist???

[JHromadka]

French bashing + American bashing? Where's Ambush when you need him?

I suggest the name be "FreedomTalk".

[Chuckit]

Originally posted by JHromadka:
French bashing + American bashing? Where's Ambush when you need him?

Banninated, bless his soul.

[Dog Like Nature]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Um, there's a big difference between race and nationality... Besides, half the world seems to hate Americans, INCLUDING the French...

Sites like this state when you travel abroad, and you are American, you should try to identify yourself as being Canadian as not to be discriminated against...

Does this mean all these countries are racist??? Or is hating Americans the only type of nationality hatred that isn't considered racist???

Can't we all just get along?

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by lngtones:
I don't know about your education, maybe you don't realize America is HUGE. Making generalizations about the entire American people is insanity.

You think I don't know that? I still see people doing it all the time. And when >50% of your population votes to re-elect Bush, I find it mighty tempting myself.

I know a lot of very intelligent down-to-earth Americans. Unfortunately, you're not one of them.

[rkehlor]

Well, even though the name "Bonjour" is pretty much a done deal, with their filing of trademarks for the name, I agree that it's silly. What will the setup dialogs say? "Click on "Bonjour" to locate any Bonjour�-compatible printers on your local subnet." I mean, c'mon. It's way too cutesy, for a name that won't be part of the E-Z (that's ee-zee) setup manual for a printer or IM client or whatever.

OpenTalk seemed fine to me, since it's a technology that's not on the front lines of user-interaction. If they wanted to go more friendly, how about Aloha? Means hello and goodbye, which seems fitting for communication, and Hawaiian is a local (opening myself to flames here) language, and it just sounds nice. Or if they wanted French, how about Touch�? ('Touched' like in fencing) is a bit like handshaking, which also seems suitable. Or what about BroadCast? OpenCast? Rosetta?

Those might not be all that slammin' but that's only on 2 minutes of thought. I really hope they don't use "Bonjour"... (and by the way, I like the French, their culture, their food, and their pride. What I wouldn't do for a French/EU passport...!)

[rkehlor]

Well, even though the name "Bonjour" is pretty much a done deal, with their filing of trademarks for the name, I agree that it's silly. What will the setup dialogs say? "Click on "Bonjour" to locate any Bonjour�-compatible printers on your local subnet." I mean, c'mon. It's way too cutesy, for a name that won't be part of the E-Z (that's ee-zee) setup manual for a printer or IM client or whatever.

OpenTalk seemed fine to me, since it's a technology that's not on the front lines of user-interaction. If they wanted to go more friendly, how about Aloha? Means hello and goodbye, which seems fitting for communication, and Hawaiian is a local (opening myself to flames here) language, and it just sounds nice. Or if they wanted French, how about Touch�? ('Touched' like in fencing) is a bit like handshaking, which also seems suitable. Or what about BroadCast? OpenCast? Rosetta?

Those might not be all that slammin' but that's only on 2 minutes of thought. I really hope they don't use "Bonjour"... (and by the way, I like the French, their culture, their food, and their pride. What I wouldn't do for a French/EU passport...!)

[OtisWild]

Originally posted by Simon:
Consider yourself reported. It's thanks to people like you that we Americans look like a bunch of uneducated idiots to the rest of the world.

That's as may be, but the French are still pussies, regardless. Every American could be a PhD in Rocket Science and the French would still be pussies. It's a historical inevitability.

As any red-blooded Englishman could tell you.

[leperkuhn]

Originally posted by OtisWild:
That's as may be, but the French are still pussies, regardless. Every American could be a PhD in Rocket Science and the French would still be pussies. It's a historical inevitability.

As any red-blooded Englishman could tell you.

Joking with your friends, you say whatever you want. But you should learn to conduct yourself with a little more class or no one will take you seriously.

My 2 cents.

[hayesk]

Originally posted by OtisWild:
That's as may be, but the French are still pussies, regardless. Every American could be a PhD in Rocket Science and the French would still be pussies. It's a historical inevitability.

As any red-blooded Englishman could tell you.

OK, I thought you were serious until the last line about the Englishmen. That made me chuckle, but I'm sure others will think you are serious.

[Chuckit]

Originally posted by leperkuhn:
Joking with your friends, you say whatever you want. But you should learn to conduct yourself with a little more class or no one will take you seriously.

Funny, that's what I told your mom last night!

[Bobby]

Originally posted by Dog Like Nature:
Can't we all just get along?

I actually was only trying to make a point...

The whole thing drew way to much attention...

People took the origional statement that started this way to seriously... And look where this topic is going...

--

I personally don't like "Bonjour" but only because it sounds way to cleche to me... It also doesn't sound like a cool proper noun...

I've tried to find some other word for hello or meeting in another lanugae that would sound better than "Bonjour", but all in all Rendezvous is really the only term I can find that sounds good...

The OpenTalk name still sounds more catchy than "Bonjour" though... IMHO...

[Twilly Spree]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Um, there's a big difference between race and nationality... Besides, half the world seems to hate Americans, INCLUDING the French...

Sites like this state when you travel abroad, and you are American, you should try to identify yourself as being Canadian as not to be discriminated against...

Does this mean all these countries are racist??? Or is hating Americans the only type of nationality hatred that isn't considered racist???

Sites like that are trying to SELL you something.

Sites like this: www.microsoft.com state that when you use Windows you're really productive and happy..

Regardless, I was in Paris just a while ago and not single Frenchman I met reacted in any way - good or bad - when they realized I was American. When I told them I was a Republican and voted for W twice, well that was another thing

Finally: Bonjour is a silly name. Apple can do better and I'll believe this when I see it.