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Burke · Feb 23, 2005, 02:35 AM

Granted, I'm using a Mac mini, so it may be the video (I have 1 GB of RAM and 7200 PM HDD), but scrolling and window resizing is very choppy. Is this just a limitation of the mini?

Appleman · Feb 23, 2005, 04:17 AM

Not here on a PowerMac G5 Dual 2GHz, 512MB RAM, 10,000 rpm Raptor harddisk, NVIDIA 6800 DDL Ultra 256 MB VRAM, OS X 10.3.8.
Neither on a iMac SE DV 400 MHz G3, 7200 rpm, a whopping 16 MB (!) VRAM, 1 GB RAM, OS X 10.3.8.

Twilly Spree · Feb 23, 2005, 04:23 AM

So far yes. Even on the most powerful of Macs window resizing _can_ be slow.

Some more 2D window acceleration will be built into 10.4 Tiger but it has yet to be seen how effective it is.

Appleman · Feb 23, 2005, 04:25 AM

in a browser try scrolling the very often overlooked browser feature "space bar". Can't be beaten!

mbryda · Feb 23, 2005, 10:44 AM

Posted this in the Mini forum, but here goes:

Who resizes windows? Just curious as I hardly ever do it on my Mac or PC. Hit green on the Mac and it resizes automagically. Hit Max on the PC and it does it too. I rarely grab the window and resize.

Heck, on this PC I'm typing on, Firefox won't resize smoothly....

Scrolling same thing - I use the scrollwheel or Cmd-End to go to the end of a document.

Glad to hear it's a great little machine. From my 30 mins of playing at the Apple store, it seemed quite speedy, even hooked up to the 23" display.

SMacTech · Feb 23, 2005, 12:53 PM

If you are using the arrow keys to scroll, the key repeat rate and delay until repeat controls the scrolling speeds.

IamBob · Feb 23, 2005, 01:28 PM

Maybe they'll remove the DebugCode� in Tiger to improve the Snappiness�!

Seriously though, do we have to go through this every couple weeks? Next time just point to previous discussions unless something has changed.

MartiNZ · Feb 23, 2005, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Appleman:
in a browser try scrolling the very often overlooked browser feature "space bar". Can't be beaten!

Agreed, I love that one! It works in Mail as well and is very handy as it scrolls the 'preview pane' even when your focus is in the message pane! It's genius.

I find myself trying to use it in MS Word due to its truly lousy scrolling, and of course I end up inserting a space somewhere

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jocker · Feb 23, 2005, 03:16 PM

yes window resizing is slow... however its lightning fast on all the tiger betas i've tried. Quartz 2d extreme you see... ;-)

I don't want to get into a debate about "What the heck is quartz 2d extreme" its been heard a million times before.

Chuckit · Feb 23, 2005, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by jocker:
yes window resizing is slow... however its lightning fast on all the tiger betas i've tried. Quartz 2d extreme you see... ;-)

I didn't think Quartz 2D Extreme was enabled by default in the Tiger seeds. I as under the impression that you that you had to turn it on in Quartz Debug.

TheTraveller · Feb 23, 2005, 06:33 PM

Yup. It's been said - I have said - millions of times. Window resizing and scrolling is slooooow in Mac OS X. But other that that, the OS pretty much rocks. A small price to pay to be out of Winblows hell.

Burke · Feb 24, 2005, 03:22 PM

Okay, okay, sorry for the repost complaint...

midwinter · Feb 24, 2005, 08:16 PM

Don't forget the shift+spacebar to go backwards.

Brass · Feb 24, 2005, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by midwinter:
Don't forget the shift+spacebar to go backwards.

Page Up and Page Down keys are a little more intuitive, I would have thought (except for those with a laptop, or crappy old iMac keyboard who don't have those keys).

villalobos · Feb 24, 2005, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Brass:
Page Up and Page Down keys are a little more intuitive, I would have thought (except for those with a laptop, or crappy old iMac keyboard who don't have those keys).

fn+arrow up = page up
fn+arrow down = page down.

Works fine on my laptop.

chabig · Feb 25, 2005, 12:25 AM

fn-end and fn-home work great too!