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How do i update my java to j2se 5?
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and i also can not find the mac version of netbean, what a pitty 
can someone give me some suggestions?
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Originally posted by maCCer:
and i also can not find the mac version of netbean, what a pitty
can someone give me some suggestions?
I think the latest version of Java is in beta testing right now for Tiger (?). Generally programmers aren't using it right now, but if you need it for something, you're out of luck for now.
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Originally posted by goMac:
I think the latest version of Java is in beta testing right now for Tiger (?). Generally programmers aren't using it right now, but if you need it for something, you're out of luck for now.
Do you mean, we can get it only when tiger(Mac os X 10.4) come out?
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i thought mac is a perfect platform for developing Java,and my school now needs J2SE 5.0 for the RMI and CORBA (((((((((
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Originally posted by maCCer:
i thought mac is a perfect platform for developing Java,and my school now needs J2SE 5.0 for the RMI and CORBA (((((((((
Java's versioning system is absolutely crazy, so I only think you're referring to Java 1.5. As I said, most developers aren't using it yet. It only came out end of last year, and many many people have no updated. Have you tried just running the Java program?
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sorry about that, thank you Angus_D
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There were once four people named Everybody, Somebody, Nobody and Anybody. Somebody had to do a job, but Nobody wanted to do it. Nobody could see that Anybody could do it, and Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job. Nobody ended up doing it, and it so happened that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
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Originally posted by goMac:
Java's versioning system is absolutely crazy, so I only think you're referring to Java 1.5. As I said, most developers aren't using it yet. It only came out end of last year, and many many people have no updated. Have you tried just running the Java program?
As my teacher told me, there are new some features that only in J2SE 5, and some examples that he gives us will not run correctly , therefore, i thought as you say i am out of luck,man
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Originally posted by maCCer:
As my teacher told me, there are new some features that only in J2SE 5, and some examples that he gives us will not run correctly , therefore, i thought as you say i am out of luck,man
cheers
Odd. I took a Java course in CS last semester and we purposely stayed away from Java 1.5 when it came out.
Most code should run in 1.4.
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Although Sun creates Java environments for many platforms, they do not create the version used in OSX, and they never have. They hand the code off to Apple, which then applies its own changes.
In the OS9 days, this lead to very slow turnaround times, because OS9's architecture was so different. Porting bwcame such a huge effort that Apple never really tried to port beyond Java 1.0, because the first efforts were simply too enormous.
OSX's Unix-based architecture makes Java easier to port, and so we have been able to stay more up to date. However, porting Java is still not the most trivial of tasks. Apple still has to do a fair amount to the Java source -such as adding in the Aqua look and feel- to make it work properly on Macs, and then there is the issue of testing it. The end result is that we always have to wait a while, to the point where usually Apple ends up rolling it into the next OS release and just not bothering with previous OS releases.
Basically, the only way that OSX will ever be able to always have the latest Java environment would be if Sun were to take over the port themselves. I don't know whether the fact that they haven't done so is due to unwillingness or inability, but it's a problem either way.
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Anyone remembers the "good old times" with McNealy and Jobs?
Now that Schwartz is CEO of Sun, I thought it would get even better with Sun and Apple, as Schwartz is the former CEO of Lighthouse Design, which was one of the big software companies for NEXTSTEP.
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good luck for sun and apple 
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Generally programmers aren't using it right now
you're kidding, right? it's production, and most developers using other OS's are using it.
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Originally posted by jzdziarski:
you're kidding, right? it's production, and most developers using other OS's are using it.
Yes, it's production, but no most developers are not yet using it. Lag for product support on Java is a good 6+ months, generally.
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According to this:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/codenames.html
J2SE 5.0 (yes, that's what they're calling it now) has been out for about 5 months. By the time Tiger comes out, it will have been probably 8-9 months since J2SE 5 was released, and there will probably have been at least 2 updates to it by then (there has already been one). I love OS X and Java works great on it, but it's embarassing to have to hold the rest of our team back from the latest releases of Java because I use a mac.
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Originally posted by gutter:
According to this:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/codenames.html
J2SE 5.0 (yes, that's what they're calling it now) has been out for about 5 months. By the time Tiger comes out, it will have been probably 8-9 months since J2SE 5 was released, and there will probably have been at least 2 updates to it by then (there has already been one). I love OS X and Java works great on it, but it's embarassing to have to hold the rest of our team back from the latest releases of Java because I use a mac.
Wow... Java "Tiger" is shipping with "Tiger"...
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Yes, it's production, but no most developers are not yet using it. Lag for product support on Java is a good 6+ months, generally.
I'm sorry but you're terribly mistaken. For one, Java 1.5 has been out for several months already. Secondly, there is no lag - in fact, most java developers have been porting their code to 1.5 since it was in beta to ensure compatibility (since java is notorious for deprecated functions and a collection of "crap that doesn't work anymore"). All of the major companies we do business with have been developing on 1.5 for a while now.
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Originally posted by Millennium:
I don't know whether the fact that they haven't done so is due to unwillingness or inability, but it's a problem either way.
Sun only makes the JVM for the platforms they sell (Solaris and Linux) plus Windows since MS f*cked up the JVM.
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Originally posted by Millennium:
Basically, the only way that OSX will ever be able to always have the latest Java environment would be if Sun were to take over the port themselves.
Why's that, then?
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Originally posted by Angus_D:
Why's that, then?
Because Sun releases the Tier 1 platforms themselves. Other ports that are handled by other vendors, pretty much by definition have to be handled after Sun finishes its work.
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Originally posted by Angus_D:
Why's that, then?
CatOne has it right. Apple generally doesn't get access to the source until after it is released, ao there is necessarily some lag time involved as far as that goes. Furthermore, Apple has an annoying tendency to tie the JVM to the OS release, so that you have to upgrade the OS to get the next major version of Java, and since Apple does not release the source for its Java technology there is no way to backport it. Sun has not done this as a general rule, and does not appear to have any intentions of doing it in the future.
In short: we're not going to ever be up-to-date unless we become a Tier 1 platform, and that means having Sun take over the porting work.
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I have to agree with everyone who is complaining with no Java 1.5 for OS X yet. I work in a government research environment, which is nearly 100% Java. Almost all of my coworkers have switched to 1.5 already, which is a big pain in the behind for me, since just a couple of months ago I convinced them to buy me a Mac (the first one in this group) by telling them how nice it is to do Java development on one.
I think it's pretty wrong for Apple to force everyone to wait for/pay for 10.4 for Java 1.5 while touting the Mac as the perfect Java development environment. A bit Microsoftian if you ask me, but I guess if they're porting it it's up to them.
Also, Java version numbering is whack.
Phil.
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Originally posted by petrol:
I have to agree with everyone who is complaining with no Java 1.5 for OS X yet. I work in a government research environment, which is nearly 100% Java. Almost all of my coworkers have switched to 1.5 already, which is a big pain in the behind for me, since just a couple of months ago I convinced them to buy me a Mac (the first one in this group) by telling them how nice it is to do Java development on one.
I think it's pretty wrong for Apple to force everyone to wait for/pay for 10.4 for Java 1.5 while touting the Mac as the perfect Java development environment. A bit Microsoftian if you ask me, but I guess if they're porting it it's up to them.
Also, Java version numbering is whack.
Phil.
Java versioning is whack? Well yeah, because it's sun.
Who produces Solaris 10. Also known as Solaris 2.10. Or SunOS 5.10.
Or Solaris 7, a.k.a. Solaris 2.7, or SunOS 5.7.
Or (the product formerly known as) SunONE, formerly known as Forte, formerly known as Forte.
Or (the product formerly known as) iPlanet, formerly known as ...
Sun has the most whack product naming in the entire industry. They rebrand everything at least once a year. I believe iPlanet has actually had 2 or 3 names since SunONE. WTF?
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