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jock · Apr 18, 2005, 01:51 AM

Under the requirements for DVDSP4 it lists this:
For Playing Back HD DVDs

* Macintosh computer with PowerPC G5
* Apple DVD Player v4.6
* Mac OS X v10.4.1

RevEvs · Apr 18, 2005, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by jock

Under the requirements for DVDSP4 it lists this:
For Playing Back HD DVDs

* Macintosh computer with PowerPC G5
* Apple DVD Player v4.6
* Mac OS X v10.4.1

yup, and also, tiger ships with DVD Player 4.5 (so i heard), so 4.6 update will be with the 10.4.1 update I guess.

theres usually a .1 update soon after a major release, as theres always a cut off date for declaring GM, then any small unresolved bugs just go into the x.x.1 update

Grrr · Apr 18, 2005, 06:21 AM

Oh lord..

ManOfSteal · Apr 18, 2005, 07:20 AM

It is about time!

Eug Wanker · Apr 18, 2005, 09:16 AM

Note that DVD Studio Pro is shipping in "4-6 weeks".

That 10.4.1 would show up within a month after Tiger's release is expected.

mitchell_pgh · Apr 18, 2005, 09:48 AM

I feel for all those people on dial up.

But as a high speed person... the more updates the better!

Fonzie · Apr 18, 2005, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

I feel for all those people on dial up.

But as a high speed person... the more updates the better!

I agree.. I too feel very sorry for those not part of the highspeed-connection world. I tried dialup once.. man, i'm never doing that again. I just got an upgrade to 2,5mbit so i'm happy.

I also say the more updates the better

Kristoff · Apr 18, 2005, 11:54 AM

THIS JUST IN!!!!!

10.4.2 is in the works!

REALLY, IT'S TRUE!

turtle777 · Apr 18, 2005, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kristoff

THIS JUST IN!!!!!

10.4.2 is in the works!

REALLY, IT'S TRUE!

And I thought it would NEVER happen...

-t

Chuckit · Apr 18, 2005, 01:15 PM

A little birdie told me Apple plans to release a 10.4.3 update.

JHromadka · Apr 18, 2005, 01:19 PM

Give me 10.4.0 first, then we can talk about 10.4.1.

nforcer · Apr 18, 2005, 01:19 PM

Don't see why they couldn't have worked another month and fixed more problems before shipping. May is still within the first half of 2005.

Chuckit · Apr 18, 2005, 01:28 PM

They clearly felt that what they had was ready to ship, and it's better to ship a good product than to hold off for some undefined level of "betterness."

Eug Wanker · Apr 18, 2005, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by nforcer

Don't see why they couldn't have worked another month and fixed more problems before shipping. May is still within the first half of 2005.

For the same reason they didn't wait until last week to release Panther, to get it to the level where 10.3.9 is today.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 18, 2005, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by nforcer

Don't see why they couldn't have worked another month and fixed more problems before shipping. May is still within the first half of 2005.

Look at 10.3. Over a year later they are still pumping out updates.

If they would have held out to fix every little thing we would never get it.

nforcer · Apr 18, 2005, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

For the same reason they didn't wait until last week to release Panther, to get it to the level where 10.3.9 is today.

Except again, May is within their "first half of 2005" Tiger deadline. I was deliberate in pointing that out so one would not think I was saying "they should take all the time in the world and fix everything". With Panther they committed to a specific release date and had to be done with it by then.

With an OS release, it is important that whatever ships is stable and working enough to rely on for people who are not able to update it easily. It becomes a permanent release for people without an internet connection. And it becomes the fallback install for people who go through reformatting, etc. Reading about software Apple announced yesterday requiring a point update for an OS that has not even shipped yet is somewhat disturbing.

mitchell_pgh · Apr 18, 2005, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

Look at 10.3. Over a year later they are still pumping out updates.

If they would have held out to fix every little thing we would never get it.

Bingo, at some point, you just need to say "ship it"

I think Microsoft tries to "get it perfect" before they ship... and here you are, years behind, unloading features left and right and nowhere near perfect.

E's Lil Theorem · Apr 18, 2005, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by nforcer

Except again, May is within their "first half of 2005" Tiger deadline. ...Reading about software Apple announced yesterday requiring a point update for an OS that has not even shipped yet is somewhat disturbing.

Look at it from a financial standpoint: If they release it at the end of this month, they have two full months to sell Tiger and have that revenue included in their quarter financials. Now, were they to release it later, say late May, those numbers have the possibility of being drastically lower.

As far as the software requirements, RevEvs pointed out that the .1 update will introduce DVD Player 4.6, which is also a requirement for the software in question. So, it may very well be that the software in question merely requires DVD Player 4.6, and not necessarily bug fixes found in the .1 update. This, however, is simply speculation on my part

Eug Wanker · Apr 18, 2005, 04:57 PM

The other things are:

1) Apple has hardware to get out the door. It's probably already ready, and a Tiger release in April allows that new hardware to ship with Tiger. By the time you actually receive that hardware in your hands in May, 10.4.1 will be out with all the fixins, while in the meantime...

2) Developers are already working on a release version of Tiger. WWDC is in early June. What better way to have kickass new 3rd party Tiger apps at WWDC than to have the Tiger gold master available to them several months before?

romeosc · Apr 18, 2005, 05:48 PM

Apple needs a list a million "Beta" testers to reveal more bugs.....

LOL

nforcer · Apr 18, 2005, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by E's Lil Theorem

Look at it from a financial standpoint: If they release it at the end of this month, they have two full months to sell Tiger and have that revenue included in their quarter financials. Now, were they to release it later, say late May, those numbers have the possibility of being drastically lower.

As far as the software requirements, RevEvs pointed out that the .1 update will introduce DVD Player 4.6, which is also a requirement for the software in question. So, it may very well be that the software in question merely requires DVD Player 4.6, and not necessarily bug fixes found in the .1 update.

If they released later indeed the numbers for this quarter would be lower, but that would not have an effect on long-term sales. Any money they do not make this quarter they would simply make in the next. I guess it's just a matter of how much better they want to make one quarter look.

Perhaps the software merely does require DVD Player 4.6, but in "the year of HD" it seems omitting a feature required for something-HD in a retail release is not a good decision.

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

1) Apple has hardware to get out the door. It's probably already ready, and a Tiger release in April allows that new hardware to ship with Tiger. By the time you actually receive that hardware in your hands in May, 10.4.1 will be out with all the fixins, while in the meantime...

2) Developers are already working on a release version of Tiger. WWDC is in early June. What better way to have kickass new 3rd party Tiger apps at WWDC than to have the Tiger gold master available to them several months before?

Good points I did not consider. It would suck to purchase a new Power Mac (or whatever will supposedly be announced tomorrow) with 10.3.x only to have 10.4 come out a month and a half later (although I do not think that has stopped them from doing it before).