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Super Mario · Apr 22, 2005, 06:57 PM

This is a report from everyone I read of and chatted with who say they have Tiger.

Pro

Tiger is very fast. Kills Panther and XP
Very fast boot. Always under 20 secs.
Very fast shutdown.
Very smooth resizing of windows.
Spotlight very quick. Some made the mistake of not waiting for indexing to finish so they said it was slow. Please wait for indexing to finish.
Many apps not broken. Office not broken. iLife not broken. All work faster.
Typing is faster.
Safari 2 is fast like Firefox
Mail launches very fast. Nice interface.
Has dictionary application. American language.
Dashboard. Mostly useful for Americans but nice. Stickies not meant to replace the real Stickies.app. Same with some other widgets.
Preview pane very fast, works with AVI better than Panther
Doom3, Unreal 2004, Call of Duty all faster.

Con

Slower firewire copying.
Address book crashes when you choose to show a phone number as large type.
Quicktime movies not playing in the Dock. When you want to restore playing movie from the Dock it doesn't.
If copying across firewire freezes Finder is hard to kill and restore.
Airport reception lower.
Quicktime and DVD Player Live resize disabled on Geforce 4MX, working in eariler beta.
VLC crash when coming out of fullscreen mode, some drawing problems.
PowerBook heat problem.

Kerrigan · Apr 22, 2005, 07:13 PM

It seems that in some of the Tiger demo videos, safari re-sizing is still very choppy.

spiff72 · Apr 22, 2005, 07:24 PM

Does anyone know if Spotlight can be configured to exclude directories?

Catfish_Man · Apr 22, 2005, 07:34 PM

Yes. As seen on multiple other threads on this forum

papplegate · Apr 22, 2005, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by spiff72

Does anyone know if Spotlight can be configured to exclude directories?

Yes, you can choose directories that are off limits to spotlight.

Oops Beat me to it.

SMacTech · Apr 22, 2005, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Slower firewire copying.
Address book crashes when you choose to show a phone number as large type.
Quicktime movies not playing in the Dock. When you want to restore playing movie from the Dock it doesn't.
If copying across firewire freezes Finder is hard to kill and restore.
Airport reception lower.
Quicktime and DVD Player Live resize disabled on Geforce 4MX, working in eariler beta.
VLC crash when coming out of fullscreen mode, some drawing problems.
PowerBook heat problem.

i do see the slower firewire copying, no hard freezes that I have seen though.
No Address Book crash.
Quicktime movies don't play in the Dock, but do restore.
No Airport reception problems on 12" PB, in fact seems better.
No heat problems on PB.
No live resize on GF4mx in QT
No VLC problems in fullscreen.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 22, 2005, 08:05 PM

Con:
Buggy as hell.

Alfonso · Apr 22, 2005, 08:11 PM

I have that VLC problem. I don't know if it's full screen related or what, but it does 'unexpectedly quit'
oh, and airport signal is BETTER.

Grrr · Apr 22, 2005, 08:15 PM

Well, I've heard *cough* that Widgets can be buggy. Like wrong ones appearing when you try to add extra ones to the set.
And apparently *cough* Xbench shows massive improvements in the user interface test! With negligible differences else where in the test.

adam1185 · Apr 22, 2005, 08:20 PM

I actually get better airport reception now...4 bars compared to 3

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 22, 2005, 08:51 PM

Ya I also get better reception.

Grrr · Apr 22, 2005, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by adam1185

I actually get better airport reception now...4 bars compared to 3

Myth.. I noticed this too.. But, upon further investigation.. if you use an Utility like APgrapher to display signal strength, you will notice that its actually exactly the same as it was in 10.3. Which leads me to think that all Apple did was re-calibrate the menu meter.

esXXI · Apr 22, 2005, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

[...] Spotlight very quick. Some made the mistake of not waiting for indexing to finish so they said it was slow. Please wait for indexing to finish. [...]

Wasn't this only in developer builds? It shouldn't let you search until the index is finished.. (Unless you're talking about speed, and the indexing slowing down other things some?)

ManOfSteal · Apr 22, 2005, 09:16 PM

I've heard the "PDF Viewer" built into Safari 2 isn't so great.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 22, 2005, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by esXXI

Wasn't this only in developer builds? It shouldn't let you search until the index is finished.. (Unless you're talking about speed, and the indexing slowing down other things some?)

Ya the computer itself is a bit slow when you first install it as indexing takes a while.

For my it took an hour for 80 gigs on a G5.

Spliff · Apr 22, 2005, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by SMacTech

i do see the slower firewire copying, no hard freezes that I have seen though.

Firewire copying is indeed slower.

What really pisses me off is that the Finder still can't preview non .mov files worth shite. It just chokes with a nearly endless beachball. Windows has been seamlessly preview a wide variety of movie file types for years and years.

xl1ken · Apr 22, 2005, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

This is a report from everyone I read of and chatted with who say they have Tiger.

Pro

Tiger is very fast. Kills Panther and XP
Very fast boot. Always under 20 secs.
Very fast shutdown.
Very smooth resizing of windows.
Spotlight very quick. Some made the mistake of not waiting for indexing to finish so they said it was slow. Please wait for indexing to finish.
Many apps not broken. Office not broken. iLife not broken. All work faster.
Typing is faster.
Safari 2 is fast like Firefox
Mail launches very fast. Nice interface.
Has dictionary application. American language.
Dashboard. Mostly useful for Americans but nice. Stickies not meant to replace the real Stickies.app. Same with some other widgets.
Preview pane very fast, works with AVI better than Panther
Doom3, Unreal 2004, Call of Duty all faster.

Con

Slower firewire copying.
Address book crashes when you choose to show a phone number as large type.
Quicktime movies not playing in the Dock. When you want to restore playing movie from the Dock it doesn't.
If copying across firewire freezes Finder is hard to kill and restore.
Airport reception lower.
Quicktime and DVD Player Live resize disabled on Geforce 4MX, working in eariler beta.
VLC crash when coming out of fullscreen mode, some drawing problems.
PowerBook heat problem.

I posted a link to this thread in another forum and got this question. I would also like to know. Any takers?

Ken Leoanrd

All about Tiger here:

http://porg.4t.com/Tiger.html

> http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/253001/collected-observations-from-around-the-net/

Does anyone understand (referring to the remarks in the above link):

How a new version of the OS can make Powerbooks overheat?

How Tiger can reduce the sensitivity of Airport?

I find these 2 remarks hard to believe

pegasus

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 22, 2005, 11:55 PM

How a new version of the OS can make Powerbooks overheat?

How Tiger can reduce the sensitivity of Airport?

When someone collects reports from random sources I doubt they are also being told of the different conditions from which those reports came. Their PowerBooks might have gotten hot from something else such as indexing or running an intensive app. Airport range - many factors but rarely the OS. It could be that someone was sitting in a different place or simply had a bad connection at the time.

Catfish_Man · Apr 23, 2005, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by xl1ken

How a new version of the OS can make Powerbooks overheat?

How Tiger can reduce the sensitivity of Airport?

I find these 2 remarks hard to believe

pegasus

I don't know if these reports are true, but they're easily believable. Airport driver updates have both hurt and improved reception before, and using more CPU can always heat things up.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 23, 2005, 12:29 AM

I recall every major OS X update had slower firewire transfer speeds which were then fixed by 10.x.1

wulf · Apr 23, 2005, 03:52 AM

For myself, I've only noticed a few minor display and UI bugs. Which does not equal "buggy as hell".

A number of smaller third-party apps don't work (StickyBrain, NetBarrier, Cisco VPN client, etc.) Quicktime performance is disappointing with some files. Have not noticed any reduction in Airport reception. UI responsiveness seems a little better on a Ti867 (ie. not CoreVideo-enabled). Spotlight works well for me - not quite the 'instant' response promised by the RDF but quick and usable just the same.

My PowerBook is usually hot as it is always running F@H, among other things.

jock · Apr 23, 2005, 05:05 AM

Anyone notice a problem with isync and phones?

spiff72 · Apr 23, 2005, 02:35 PM

I thought I read in another thread that the menu calibration for the airport has been adjusted, resulting what looks like better reception, even though the actual signal is still the same (based on 3rd party apps that display wireless info)...

Mac The Fork · Apr 23, 2005, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by wulf

Quicktime performance is disappointing with some files.

Which files?

zerostar · Apr 23, 2005, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by jock

Anyone notice a problem with isync and phones?

It synced my V551 perfectly! I am very happy with iSync now

adam1185 · Apr 23, 2005, 06:30 PM

I've also noticed that bluetooth devices take longer to wake under Tiger

mAxximo · Apr 23, 2005, 10:44 PM

I've heard that the �Finder� is STILL failing at showing the right free space in HDs when you choose �Show Item Info� in the Desktop.

mAxximo · Apr 24, 2005, 12:06 AM

iTunes stops playing when switching users.

Kristoff · Apr 24, 2005, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by mAxximo

iTunes stops playing when switching users.

Always has.

Kristoff · Apr 24, 2005, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Quicktime movies not playing in the Dock. When you want to restore playing movie from the Dock it doesn't.

My movies play in the dock just fine, and restoring works as well.

redoid · Apr 24, 2005, 02:21 AM

Weather widget aint displaying Tokyo weather at all .... :/

ashtoash · Apr 24, 2005, 02:36 AM

A fresh, clean install of tiger retail on a very fast machine shows it still is choppy.

Appleman · Apr 24, 2005, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Typing is faster.

Wow, so you mean by buying Tiger I can type faster???

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 24, 2005, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Appleman

Wow, so you mean by buying Tiger I can type faster???

Read less lag in text input everyone.

Appleman · Apr 24, 2005, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

Read less lag in text input everyone.

Well, I remember someones peecee was stolen and this person didn't have that much money, so she bought a 8088 peecee (pffff). Whenever she started WordPerfect 5.1 the computer had such a hard job to load it, the screen was getting filled in about 1 minute (yes, we timed it!). Maybe that's what you mean by "less lag"? It then would be a graphics speed-up thing in Tiger!

Thain Esh Kelch · Apr 24, 2005, 05:21 AM

Typing is faster

lol

Thain Esh Kelch · Apr 24, 2005, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kristoff

My movies play in the dock just fine, and restoring works as well.

Must be due to your graphicscard.

Jens Peter · Apr 24, 2005, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by wulf

... A number of smaller third-party apps don't work (StickyBrain, NetBarrier, Cisco VPN client, etc.)...

Dosen't the Cisco VPN client work ?!? Anyone else havong this issue ?

Then I guess I'll have to run Panther until it works in Tiger...

PrettyBoyClone · Apr 24, 2005, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

When someone collects reports from random sources I doubt they are also being told of the different conditions from which those reports came. Their PowerBooks might have gotten hot from something else such as indexing or running an intensive app. Airport range - many factors but rarely the OS. It could be that someone was sitting in a different place or simply had a bad connection at the time.

I can't really tell why, but Airport range does improve with Tiger. I can tell, because it now reaces places in my house, which were out of range before, and i get much better reception from my usual workspots. Maybe it's better at switching between channels or somehow manages the connection better.

Besides that, things are faster, much faster. I suspect the reported slowdowns are memory related.

There's lots of small improvements everywhere. A favorite is the fullscreen mode in preview, really cool, and much more usefull than the rss screensaver.

Reggie Fowler · Apr 24, 2005, 07:29 AM

what type of computer do you have? I've been reading reports that it's slower or faster, but i think it's related to the type of computer you have. I think the G5's will steamroll the operating system and the G4's may choke. Dual..Single....

Need more information from everyone.

PrettyBoyClone · Apr 24, 2005, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Reggie Fowler

what type of computer do you have? I've been reading reports that it's slower or faster, but i think it's related to the type of computer you have. I think the G5's will steamroll the operating system and the G4's may choke. Dual..Single....

Need more information from everyone.

PBG4 1.25ghz / 512mb

kman42 · Apr 24, 2005, 10:15 AM

Spotlight tip: press the cmd key and the selection changes from 'Show all' to 'Top hit'. I'm not sure that this is any fast than pressing the down arrow and then return, except that it allows you to keep your hands at the home position on the keyboard.

Chris Grande · Apr 24, 2005, 11:16 AM

Does iChat now automatically send your away message, is there an option to enable/disable it if it does? I currently use iCAR (iChat Auto Reply) and its not to bad but sometimes causes iChat to crash when I receive a message.

lookmark · Apr 24, 2005, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by kman42

Spotlight tip: press the cmd key and the selection changes from 'Show all' to 'Top hit'. I'm not sure that this is any fast than pressing the down arrow and then return, except that it allows you to keep your hands at the home position on the keyboard.

Nice tip, thanks. I was curious how Apple was going to put this functionality in...

adam1185 · Apr 24, 2005, 02:14 PM

If you want to see some eye candy hit command-R on the active widget to see it refresh!

mAxximo · Apr 24, 2005, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kristoff

iTunes stops playing when switching users.

Always has.

No, it was fixed in early versions of Panther. Tiger broke it again.

mAxximo · Apr 24, 2005, 02:44 PM

Selecting the text field to rename a folder or a file is slower than ever. It's literally three seconds from the first click to the text being highlighted.

mAxximo · Apr 24, 2005, 02:49 PM

The Shut Down button now gains focus after entering the password when another user is logged in. One still has to write down the user's name also instead of just the password, though.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 24, 2005, 02:55 PM

Does iChat recieve offline messages yet? Otherwise it's still useless for me. The least they could do is have them forwarded to your Email.

parkds · Apr 24, 2005, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kristoff

Always has.

Actually, in 10.3.9 music will continue playing when you switch users. You cannot control the iTunes that is playing once you change to another user, but it will continue to play.