[kent m]

Not a bug list, and maybe these points have been called elsewhere, but here are a couple of anti-observations on the new system.

Generally lovely but...

� Dashboard: Confabulator seemed better, in that widgets could be embedded into the desktop in a non intrusive way. In Dashboard you have to 'enter the state' of Dashboard, then exit it - there's no way to keep things visible in a non-interfering way.

� Mail's Toolbar Prefs were lost. I had to re-customize all of the Mail windows Toolbars. That's minor you may say, but...

� Although it's nice, there's Yet Another UI Concept with Mail.

� Mail's Mailboxes now cannot be moved from the left side of the window. It's just a personal preference of mine, but I had always kept the Mailbox on the right. Now this option is gone, for no particular discernible advantage. Left is fine, sure, but why not have the option the place the Mailboxes on the right?... Perhaps it's more 'Outlook'-ish, but why not...

� Spotlight occupies the Far Right slot of the Menubar, and it's icon is in colour. It's a personal preference of mine to have the name of the person using the system at the far right. Spotlight is not that important to me - yet - I'd like to be able to move it into a place along the Menubar of my choice.

� The Terminal is still an island in some ways. For example. the Middle Mouse Buffer doesn't keep it's item in memory outside of the Terminal, and as soon as I switch apps the buffer is cleared.

� I have to have the Icons visible in the Window Toolbars in order to see the Spotlight and Search fields. Why is this?...

-

Request:

� I'd love to see an option enabled to have a Navigation Path field in the Finder windows - yes, similar to the Windows method. This would be a nice bridge between the Terminal and the Finder...

� An option to Save States of Preferences so that after a clean install my prefs can be applied to the new system...

[Millennium]

The thing is, there aren't supposed to be any "bridges" between the GUI and the Terminal. Terminal is supposed to be an optional component of OSX, and one which nobody ever has to use for ordinary things. As with OS9, OSX is supposed to be GUI-only if the user so chooses. Bridging them would undermine this.

[parsec_kadets]

Originally Posted by kent m

� Mail's Mailboxes now cannot be moved from the left side of the window. It's just a personal preference of mine, but I had always kept the Mailbox on the right. Now this option is gone, for no particular discernible advantage. Left is fine, sure, but why not have the option the place the Mailboxes on the right?... Perhaps it's more 'Outlook'-ish, but why not...

I am so sick of people complaining about this? For years it's been non stop complaints about the drawer. So Apple takes that out, and now people complain that the list can't be moved to the other side. Did anyone stop and wonder if that was the reason Apple used the drawer in the first place? I guess this is a perfect example to prove that users have absolutely no clue what they want. Now don't think I'm an apologist or something. I hate the look of the new mail program. There was nothing wrong with the old version, and I wish Apple had just left it alone.

Originally Posted by kent m

� Spotlight occupies the Far Right slot of the Menubar, and it's icon is in colour. It's a personal preference of mine to have the name of the person using the system at the far right. Spotlight is not that important to me - yet - I'd like to be able to move it into a place along the Menubar of my choice.

The icon location is meant to balance the colored apple logo on the other side of the toolbar. Makes sense to me. Personally, I prefer to order my icons from most basic/universal to user specific. So the first one is the time, then the battery status, since those are the same for all users. Then the FUS icon (I hate the user name, takes up too much space). Then I have user specific icons, such as volume, Airport, iChat, etc. In this vein, spotlight makes sense to me since all users use the same spotlight and the results will be the same for all of them (except for differences in their home folders).

[fisherKing]

check out amnesty , a simple & well-thought out way to (selectively) place widgets on the desktop (ie weather...nice!)

mail prefs issue is not universal, probably not a 10.4-specific thing.


i have to say, first 2 days, tiger seemed a little...rubbery, odd.
but 5 days in & it feels great; fast, tight...what i want an OS to be.

a few app issues, a few glitches, but overall pretty great.

[Kreamy]

Tiger is nice, but what can i say, just lacks the 'oomph' to say 'take that, bill!' and just sucked $130 outta my wallet for something somewhat disappointing.

In the windows world, tiger would be known as a Service Pack. :/

[JLL]

Originally Posted by kent m

� Dashboard: Confabulator seemed better, in that widgets could be embedded into the desktop in a non intrusive way. In Dashboard you have to 'enter the state' of Dashboard, then exit it - there's no way to keep things visible in a non-interfering way.

IMO that's exactly one major thing that makes Dashboard better that Konfabulator.

Originally Posted by kent m

� I'd love to see an option enabled to have a Navigation Path field in the Finder windows - yes, similar to the Windows method. This would be a nice bridge between the Terminal and the Finder...

You can hold down Cmd and click on the proxy icon - there's your path. Alternatively you can add a path icon to you toolbar.

[Kreamy]

Originally Posted by JLL

IMO that's exactly one major thing that makes Dashboard better that Konfabulator.

Uhh, how exactly? Ever heard of Konspose?

[JLL]

Originally Posted by Kreamy

In the windows world, tiger would be known as a Service Pack. :/

Reading too much by Thurrot lately? XP SP2 didn't bring much new to Windows other than bug fixes and new default settings.

Read this to see that Tiger is much much more than a Service Pack:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars

[alphasubzero949]

Originally Posted by Kreamy

In the windows world, tiger would be known as a Service Pack. :/

Tiger was a major overhaul compared to Panther. Hardly a maintenance release.

So, what kind of NEW features were introduced in SP2? Didn't think so.

[jasong]

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

So, what kind of NEW features were introduced in SP2?

They removed the ability to join a new unannounced wireless network . . . Oh wait, that was a bug . . .

[Drakino]

XP SP2 didn't bring much new to Windows other than bug fixes and new default settings.

Actually, it did a ton of things. The entire security center is new, the firewall is completly different then what XP used to have, bluetooth support was added (though it's crap), IE 6 got upgraded to have a popup blocker and new security stuff, the entire group policy stuff was overhauled, data execution protection was added deep in the kernel, DirectX 9.0c was bundled, Media Player 9 was bundled, and wireless support was standardized as well. And I know I'm forgetting things. It's also the foundation for a lot more to come.

In Microsoft terms, SP2 was like the difference between Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition. Deep down, every component of Windows got touched in that "Service Pack". It was such a major effort by MS that the Windows core team made it, and not the service pack team. It is also part of the reason Longhorn got delayed, as all these changes had to be rolled forward into Server 2003 and Longhorn.

Now I do fully admit Tiger is not a service pack like release. But for normal service packs, neither was SP2.

Going from Panther to Tiger felt much like 2000->XP to me. It has been worth the upgrade, and I now look at Panther like I did Jaguar after that upgrade.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Kreamy

Uhh, how exactly? Ever heard of Konspose?

Because this way, the widgets aren't always running in the background, eating the CPU. If the Dashboard layer isn't visible, the widgets will sleep if they are written properly.

[Kreamy]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Because this way, the widgets aren't always running in the background, eating the CPU. If the Dashboard layer isn't visible, the widgets will sleep if they are written properly.

I used the dashboard, and the widgets seem to eat up ~200mb of RAM when inactive for several hours. They were the default widgets. A Similar situation in Konfabulator only took up an odd 90.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Kreamy

I used the dashboard, and the widgets seem to eat up ~200mb of RAM when inactive for several hours. They were the default widgets. A Similar situation in Konfabulator only took up an odd 90.

RAM is not the issue, because that will just get paged to the disk when some other app needs it anyway. How much of the processor are those widgets using?

[Gee4orce]

Erm, in the Finder Shift-Cmd-G will allow you to type a path to go to...

[analogika]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

RAM is not the issue, because that will just get paged to the disk when some other app needs it anyway. How much of the processor are those widgets using?

Bingo.

If you're doing anything remotely CPU critical (anything demanding on-time processing, such as audio or video work), Konfabulator is an absolute catastrophe. I trashed it after a few minutes for that very reason.

Dashboard, otoh, is not a problem at all.

-s*

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by analogika

Bingo.

If you're doing anything remotely CPU critical (anything demanding on-time processing, such as audio or video work), Konfabulator is an absolute catastrophe. I trashed it after a few minutes for that very reason.

Dashboard, otoh, is not a problem at all.

-s*

Yep, if Apple had bought Konfabulator and made that into Dashboard like many people wanted, this board would be full of people complaining that you'd need a mythical quad-core G5 to run Tiger properly.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by Kreamy

Tiger is nice, but what can i say, just lacks the 'oomph' to say 'take that, bill!' and just sucked $130 outta my wallet for something somewhat disappointing.

In the windows world, tiger would be known as a Service Pack. :/

You couldn't be more wrong. A Windows SP has never introduced completely new components (like Dashboard/Automator/Spotlight) to the OS.

To be honest, what major improvements has Windows had since Windows 95 regarding GUI advancements? What amazing new application comes with Windows XP that didn't come with Windows 95?

[mitchell_pgh]

Dashboard IMHO is what Konfabulator should have been. Kon was cool for about 10 minutes... but then I realized it was killing my CPU. Not everyone has the latest and greatest hardware.

Dashboard is free (with the OS) and open to novice programers who want a wide audience. Programing for Konfabulator was a niche of a niche market.

[ApeInTheShell]

I think Tiger's one advantage over Windows XP is speed. I am talking about the speed in which it installs on the machine, indexes hard drives. The time I had to wait for spotlight to index is contrary to what others have observed. It's short. I thought from all the bugs and problems my 80G external drive would take hours. Ha!

If the drawer were on the right it would seem...out of place in Mail. Sort of like those buttons in Microsoft Office that were always on the right side. The application interface stands out but I don't mind as long as it works. Mac users are very sensitive about this issue so I'll say no more about GUI.

The only bug I have is typing in stickies in Dashboard. Nothing comes up.

[analogika]

stickies: I thought so too, but then I found that you have to click in the upper left corner, right where the cursor insert is supposed to be when you start typing.

If you click anywhere else, it will actually make the text entry "field" (such as it is; it isn't clearly identified) INactive, and you can't type.

Sucks, and is definitely a bug of sorts.

[kent m]

I understand. Maybe "bridge" was the wrong word to use in that sense. In the case of the Nav GUI I meant bridge in terms of usability, not between apps. I'd love to be able to nav quickly using the terminal's "letter/tab/letter/tab" (if dirs are properly set up) capacity but want to have the Nav GUI handy when I want it. Right now it's either/or and no in between, and Terminal doesn't even mingle well with the GUI at all because of the memory loss issue.

I do understand the different paradigms represented by the Terminal versus the Nav GUI, but why isn't there a way that the advantages of one can be brought into the other? If it's an option then the purists can ignore it and people like me can use it. Sadly, I think this is one area that the Windows beast has got it better, although it's implementation is rather poor - only allows for copying paths (though this function is better done by third party menu add-ons) because of the way it doesn't add those slashes onto the end of the line...

The other thing is why doesn't the Terminal 'play well' with other apps? Why can't the memory buffer be retained when I leave the Terminal? It's part of the system...

And I still think that the Terminal isn't completely finished - the Linux terminal seems a much better implementation...

Originally Posted by Millennium

The thing is, there aren't supposed to be any "bridges" between the GUI and the Terminal. Terminal is supposed to be an optional component of OSX, and one which nobody ever has to use for ordinary things. As with OS9, OSX is supposed to be GUI-only if the user so chooses. Bridging them would undermine this.

[kent m]

Originally Posted by parsec_kadets

a perfect example to prove that users have absolutely no clue what they want.

Well... I know what I want and it's gone away in the Tiger version. As I said, it's not a big deal, I'll survive, but I did like having my Mailbox on the right and removing an option makes no sense to me. I'd say maybe it's a perfect example of Apple Designers not knowing what they want. :-)

Originally Posted by parsec_kadets

The icon location is meant to balance the colored apple logo on the other side of the toolbar.

Disagree. I think it's there to draw attention to it, as Fast User Switching did when it came out and was the latest hot thing for that release. In a few versions when it's less important or has been worked into the system in a more integrated manner we'll see the logo drop from a coloured one to a simple greytone version like the others and we'll be able to move it around.

[kent m]

[QUOTE=JLL]You can hold down Cmd and click on the proxy icon - there's your path.

Don't understand.

Originally Posted by JLL

Alternatively you can add a path icon to you toolbar.

Not the same thing - I can only see the path history - I can't copy the path or bounce it to the Terminal.

[kent m]

Originally Posted by ApeInTheShell

I think Tiger's one advantage over Windows XP is speed. I am talking about the speed in which it installs on the machine...

I think there are more advantages than this. I use Windows at work and OSX at home and OSX has advantages that Windows doesn't come close to, but they're all very subtle - in that once you get used to the way the systems work it's easy to ignore them. However using both every day I very much see the differences. To sum it up, in a rather unhelpful and somewhat trolling way I'd say that the Windows systems constantly presents with minor irritations and annoyances while the OSX system constantly presents me with minor pleasures. Rarely am I ever pleasantly surprised on Windows, but I constantly am with OSX.

The other Speed issue is UI navigation: much simpler to orient yourself and get around in OSX.

[/QUOTE]If the drawer were on the right it would seem... [/QUOTE]

Nice. My point was that an option had been removed for no particular advantage. I don't really care, but I had gotten used to having it on the right. Why take the option away?

[poocat]

Originally posted by kent m
Disagree. I think it's there to draw attention to it, as Fast User Switching did when it came out and was the latest hot thing for that release. In a few versions when it's less important or has been worked into the system in a more integrated manner we'll see the logo drop from a coloured one to a simple greytone version like the others and we'll be able to move it around.

This is the best thing I've seen in this thread. While I'm not sure it will actually apply to Spotlight, I'm amazed to note that you can now move FUS around at will. That was the most annoying thing about Panther, when first installed, simply because I'm used to having the time at the top right. Note that I'm not complaining at all, simply realizing that Apple totally changed their minds, and you can now drag FUS around at will. Why ever anchor anything? The blue does balance the apple, but it's also a bit distracting.

I just wonder about the choices, and think kent may be right, that they're made to show off the latest toys.

[parsec_kadets]

Originally Posted by kent m

Well... I know what I want and it's gone away in the Tiger version. As I said, it's not a big deal, I'll survive, but I did like having my Mailbox on the right and removing an option makes no sense to me. I'd say maybe it's a perfect example of Apple Designers not knowing what they want. :-)

I know what you mean. But do realize that for each person who liked that the drawer allowed you to decide which side of the window you put it on, there were four others who complained non-stop about the drawer. It seemed like for about 2 years there was a thread complaining about the mail drawer every time I came to this forum. I simply meant in general that users will complain no matter what Apple does.

[Zadian]

[QUOTE=kent m]

Originally Posted by JLL

You can hold down Cmd and click on the proxy icon - there's your path.
Don't understand.

Not the same thing - I can only see the path history - I can't copy the path or bounce it to the Terminal.

Just drag the proxy icon onto a terminal window, the path will be copied to the terminal.

[analogika]

[QUOTE=Zadian]

Originally Posted by kent m

Just drag the proxy icon onto a terminal window, the path will be copied to the terminal.

Or the file, or the folder.

*EVERYTHING* in Mac OS X is drag-and-drop, including file paths into Terminal AND Open/Save dialog boxes.

[JLL]

Originally Posted by kent m

The other thing is why doesn't the Terminal 'play well' with other apps? Why can't the memory buffer be retained when I leave the Terminal? It's part of the system...

What do you mean? If I copy something in Terminal I can paste in all other apps.

Originally Posted by kent m

Not the same thing - I can only see the path history - I can't copy the path or bounce it to the Terminal.

If you copied the path from Terminal you can press Cmd-Shift-G in the Finder as mentioned earlier, and to get the path from the Finder to the Terminal you just drag the proxy icon or documents into the Terminal window.

[mAxximo]

Originally Posted by parsec_kadets

I am so sick of people complaining about this? For years it's been non stop complaints about the drawer. So Apple takes that out, and now people complain that the list can't be moved to the other side. Did anyone stop and wonder if that was the reason Apple used the drawer in the first place? I guess this is a perfect example to prove that users have absolutely no clue what they want. Now don't think I'm an apologist or something.

A simple preference to �Show Mailboxes on the Right� could solve this very easily. Even dragging and dropping the thing to the right could be enabled in future versions.
I hate drawers with a passion and much prefer the new Mail UI but, believe me, I know how it feels having a feature I enjoyed using removed by Apple with no options to try and duplicate my past preferences in some way.

[leperkuhn]

I'm an advocate of seeing the current path in the finder as part of the window instead of the drop down. I like it because it's a passive thing to read - it doesn't require me to use my mouse to figure out where I am.

Would be a nice option.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by analogika

Bingo.

If you're doing anything remotely CPU critical (anything demanding on-time processing, such as audio or video work), Konfabulator is an absolute catastrophe. I trashed it after a few minutes for that very reason.

Dashboard, otoh, is not a problem at all.

-s*

Konfabulator is using around 1% cpu for me, and this is the app plus three widgets in total. You must have gotten something wrong then.

What is indeed a resource hog is Safari, that eats around 20% cpu while I'm typing this.

BTW Safari has issues with Flash, with Javascript and the message pane of this reply form that slips out of the background frame.

[radii_22]

I just tried Tiger in a store, and I got to say that, from a graphic design point of view, It is under the bar. Maybe I'm used to Mike Matas or Max graphics exellency (I don't use themes however), but I think that general folder icons, the choix of colors and some GUI aspects are not very well balanced.

- The blue bar which separes things in searches is blurry and too much clear.
- The spotlight's bar is also made in a blurry blue, ugly (I prefer the glossy finish)
- The menu bar is a glossy which is not so glossy... the Apple is not well defined...
- The "plastic" theme is not enough strong (I would prefer it to be more glossy or more metallic)
- The size of the fonts in Finder (smart searches buttons) is SO BIG! I'm not blind instead.
- Finders GUI wastes a lot of space (like in Panther). The brushed metal theme is a little bit hard and "heavy" for the finder... I would like, fot the Finder, a theme similar to the Mail's one (without those horrible icons...), less space, zero pixels separation bar (the actual one is so ugly), and the possibility of choise of the size of icons in the sidebar.


I liked iCal printing... I also liked previews pdf notes and bookmarks.

[kent m]

Originally Posted by Zadian

Just drag the proxy icon onto a terminal window, the path will be copied to the terminal.

Ah, that one I know. That still doesn't get me the path info without having to go through these extra steps or allow me to nav in the UI using the Terminal advantage.

[Brass]

Originally Posted by kent m

� I have to have the Icons visible in the Window Toolbars in order to see the Spotlight and Search fields. Why is this?...

That's simple... the "Icons" are tools, the search field is a tool, tools are in the toolbar, you must have the toolbar visible to see what's in it...

Therefore to see any tools (including the spotlight search field) the toolbar must be visible.

I really thought this would have been kind of obvious?

[talisto]

It's worth mentioning that iTerm is a great (and open-source!) Terminal replacement, which has MANY more features and options. Definitely worth checking out if you use Terminal a lot. It's a great for SSH as well, since it allows the user to 'bookmark' commands.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Brass

That's simple... the "Icons" are tools, the search field is a tool, tools are in the toolbar, you must have the toolbar visible to see what's in it...

Therefore to see any tools (including the spotlight search field) the toolbar must be visible.

I really thought this would have been kind of obvious?

He meant that the toolbar can't be set to Text Only.

[Brass]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

He meant that the toolbar can't be set to Text Only.

crumbs, I would have thought that was even more obvious...

Does he want the text-only setting to show something other than text? Sounds kind of ridiculous, to me.

[ryaxnb]

* The Finder is still the same sucky finder

[kent m]

Dude. The icons are buttons that perorm actions and when they are set to "text" the text simply functions as another version of the icon (I would have thought that was obvious...). The fields are input fields that allow an action based on variable user input - why they become hidden when only the mode of viewing the buttons changes makes no sense to me. It also limits my choice to one viewing option if I want to use those functions. So... I want those functions available whether I choose to view my toolbar buttons in the "icon" mode or the "text" mode.

It's not ridiculous if you think about it...

...of course it could also be said that the input fields deal more with text that they are buttons/icons... so really they should only show up when you set your toolbar to "text"... :-)

Originally Posted by Brass

crumbs, I would have thought that was even more obvious...

Does he want the text-only setting to show something other than text? Sounds kind of ridiculous, to me.

[JKT]

Originally Posted by poocat

This is the best thing I've seen in this thread. While I'm not sure it will actually apply to Spotlight, I'm amazed to note that you can now move FUS around at will. That was the most annoying thing about Panther, when first installed, simply because I'm used to having the time at the top right. Note that I'm not complaining at all, simply realizing that Apple totally changed their minds, and you can now drag FUS around at will. Why ever anchor anything? The blue does balance the apple, but it's also a bit distracting.

I just wonder about the choices, and think kent may be right, that they're made to show off the latest toys.

Er... you could move FUS in Panther as well, so there's nothing new about that. The biggest improvement to FUS in Tiger is the ability to use an icon or short username.

[wadesworld]

And I still think that the Terminal isn't completely finished - the Linux terminal seems a much better implementation...

It's hard to see how much better a terminal can get beyond iTerm in OS X.

But maybe I'm missing something. What does the Linux terminal do that iTerm doesn't?

Wade

[kent m]

Originally Posted by wadesworld

It's hard to see how much better a terminal can get beyond iTerm in OS X.

But maybe I'm missing something. What does the Linux terminal do that iTerm doesn't?

Wade

I didn't know about iTerm though - thanks, I'll check it out! Here's the complaint list against the OSX Terminal:

Mouse buffer (swipe something and middle mouse paste it) - this works minimally in osx (only within the same terminal window). Also, if you mouse buffer something, it loses it (i.e. once you "paste" something it is no longer in the buffer and you cannot paste it again). Finally, it only works within Terminal... you can't do it from terminal to finder or textedit for example.

Window order. Allows you to click into a window and type WITHOUT raising the window. This is more a general Linux thing.

Multiple tabs (this is in KDE). Like having multiple tabs in Safari.

Bookmarks (again, in KDE). Similar to having bookmarks in Safari. It allows you to quickly set up and jump to specific paths

Define what is a word so that when you double click, it knows how far to extend. I.e. I have the following defined as being part of a word:

:@-./_~

This means that if I double click on, say, a path - it selects the whole path.

[LeeG]

Let me be another voice that agrees - Konfabulator TORE UP my system. Granted I was only on a G4/500, but everything else worked fine, Konfabulator ground things to a slow pace.

I have since upgraded to a 1.4Ghz G4, so I can't compare dashboard, but I have not had any issues with dashboard, and I actually think it's really cool. Though it may be just eye candy now, it will evolve as users and developers have some time with it.

I for one just love having my calculator one button away, and instant stock quotes, etc etc.

I don't know (unless you do business with people in many time zones) why you'd invoke dashboard for the clock, when the time is right there in the menu bar....

L

[kent m]

2 more cents on Dashboard/Konfab...

I wasn't saying that Konfabulator was a better app and I'm not arguing the structural qualities of it's code. I'm only saying that I prefered the way that items could be set into my desktop, very unobtrusively. What I don't like about Dashboard is that it has to be brought into it's own state/mode - which completely takes over the computer - in order for me to see or use any of it's items. It's less of a Dashboard - the name of which suggests unobtrusive glancing reference - than it is a kind of an oboard mini-computer or library that takes attention away from what you're doing if you need anything it has to offer.

Besides... if Dashboard was set up so that it's items could be embedded in/on the desktop then I could still access them in exactly the same manner as the current implementation by using the already existing Expose feature... I just Find Dashboard to to be a rather inelegant implementation of a really fine idea.

I love it's items, by the way, even if they are a bit gaudy for my taste. The dictionary is a great addition, the language tools rock, etc etc, and I'm loving the displacement they have going when the items are added - can't wait to see where that'll go in the future...

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by kent m

I wasn't saying that Konfabulator was a better app and I'm not arguing the structural qualities of it's code. I'm only saying that I prefered the way that items could be set into my desktop, very unobtrusively. What I don't like about Dashboard is that it has to be brought into it's own state/mode - which completely takes over the computer - in order for me to see or use any of it's items. It's less of a Dashboard - the name of which suggests unobtrusive glancing reference - than it is a kind of an oboard mini-computer or library that takes attention away from what you're doing if you need anything it has to offer.

The problem is, the fact that its widgets were always running was the reason that Konfabulator killed your performance so badly.

[kent m]

Actually, I never really ran Konfabulator, so it didn't.

:-)

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by ryaxnb

* The Finder is still the same sucky finder

>sigh<

yeps it sure is. Sucks just as much as ever.

Asides from actually fixing Finder bugs, adding needed features or generally improving the whole thing, it would have made me mildly pleased if Apple had changed the brushed metal theme on the Finder windows to something lighter and easier on the eye - like for instance the new Mail.app look.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

>sigh<

yeps it sure is. Sucks just as much as ever.

Asides from actually fixing Finder bugs, adding needed features or generally improving the whole thing, it would have made me mildly pleased if Apple had changed the brushed metal theme on the Finder windows to something lighter and easier on the eye - like for instance the new Mail.app look.

SIGH! I'll second that.