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golfnuts1165 · Jul 17, 2005, 12:42 AM

I'm running on the older system (10.2.8) so I don't know if that is the case or not. I can't seem to install any programs or softwares on my computer. I just bought an Ipod and trying to install the Ipod software. I click on the installer button but it would launch something than nothing would happen. Can anyone tell me what's going on with this? I have tried to install Firefox as well but nothing worked. It says my system is incompatible. I didn't really need fire fox at the time but now it's troubling me to not be able to install softwares. If any of you expert know what could be causing this, would love to hear from you. Thanks in advance.

Detrius · Jul 17, 2005, 02:30 AM

Have you looked into the system requirements of the software you are trying to install?

Firfox should work fine, but a newer iPod may require a newer OS. If they all should be supported, then maybe you need a reinstall.

BTW, exposé and fast user switching are really handy additions to 10.3 and later. I'm not going to push 10.4, as the big stuff that Apple touts really isn't that big of an improvement, but 10.3 was a lot better than 10.2.

golfnuts1165 · 08:58 PM

Detrius,

I have tried to download the 10.3.9 version to update. The download went fine. When I double click the update to install but it's still telling me it's incompatible. This is the name it gives me. (MacOSXUpdate10.3.9.dmg) Is the .dmg has to do anything with the download. Basicly, it's not expanding the file to update or install. And the tag with .mpkg doesn't work either. Any hep with this would be greatly appreciated.

CharlesS · 09:58 PM

The 10.3.9 update requires some version of 10.3 to be installed already. It's an update on 10.3, but 10.3 is a paid upgrade from 10.2.x. You will not be able to just download 10.3.x.

I'd just go get the 10.4 upgrade, myself. The thing is, Detrius is forgetting about something when he claims 10.4 wasn't that big an upgrade, and that is that 10.4 is actually a huge upgrade from a developer's perspective. CoreData, CoreImage, and other under-the-hood additions make developing under 10.4 significantly easier than under earlier versions. What this means to you is that as time goes on, more and more developers are going to be relying on the technologies in 10.4, causing those apps not to work under earlier versions. And since you are upset by some applications not working on the version of Mac OS X that you are running, I think it would be a bad decision to upgrade to 10.3 without going all the way to 10.4.

golfnuts1165 · Jul 17, 2005, 11:47 PM

Charles, thanks for your input. I will try to upgrade to 10.3 since all my new softwares will not let me install on 10.2.

Even when I tried to install older softwares that will run on 10.2, it will still give me error or won't let the installer open. Why would this be?

CharlesS · Jul 18, 2005, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by golfnuts1165

Charles, thanks for your input. I will try to upgrade to 10.3 since all my new softwares will not let me install on 10.2.

Again, you will run into this same problem again before too long. As long as you are upgrading, I suggest you go all the way to 10.4. It is much easier to obtain (10.3 being discontinued by Apple), it will work with more new software, and 10.4 does have a lot of nice new features such as Spotlight and Dashboard in addition to huge changes under the hood.

golfnuts1165 · Jul 18, 2005, 09:12 AM

Most of the updaters will not let me even open the files. I don't know if updating on 10.4 will be the same. My fear is when I get the 10.4 update, than try to expand (extract), it will give me the same error or will not open at all. Maybe it's not OS problem but something else. What that is, I don't know.

CatOne · Jul 18, 2005, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by golfnuts1165

Most of the updaters will not let me even open the files. I don't know if updating on 10.4 will be the same. My fear is when I get the 10.4 update, than try to expand (extract), it will give me the same error or will not open at all. Maybe it's not OS problem but something else. What that is, I don't know.

golfnuts,

You can't run any "update" to 10.3 or 10.4 from 10.2.x. You have to go buy a CD or DVD from Apple or a retailer to do the upgrade... nothing you can download and double-click (well, aside from pirated software) can upgrade you between major versions (i.e. 10.2 to 10.3 or 10.3 to 10.4) versions of the software.

As 10.4 is now out, I'd recommend you go straight from 10.2 to 10.3, as it will save you $129

CharlesS · Jul 18, 2005, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by CatOne

As 10.4 is now out, I'd recommend you go straight from 10.2 to 10.3, as it will save you $129

Uh, what? 10.3 isn't free either. It's just harder to find, because you'd have to find a site that was selling copies of old Mac OS versions.

Unless you are advocating piracy, of course, in which case you would be violating the forum rules.

golfnuts1165 · Jul 19, 2005, 09:26 AM

I do have a 10.3 from the time I purchase the computer but never update the OS. I found my old disc in my storage when I moved. I didn't have time to get the 10.4 Tiger so I used the 10.3 I had to see if it will work. I did update the OS and all updates and software install perfectly. But I did have a problem with Ipod being recognized by the Operating Sytem. From the apple site, they recommend 10.3.9 not 10.3 for ipod to be recognized by Itune. I downloaded the 10.3.9 update from apple.

Here's where my trouble start with updating to 10.3.9. The updated went fine and restart the computer. During the restart, the computer freezed. The wheel/clock just stood still. I forced the computer to quit. Restart the computer again but the wheel/clock didn't show up at all. The apple icon just stood there. What do I do now? I would like to put a norton disc in there to work from but I don't know how to get the disc tray to open. You guys have been great to a novice person and I appreciate your input. Any advice on this issue would be great. Thanks!!!

Randman · Jul 19, 2005, 09:39 AM

DO NOT USE NORTON!!!!

Norton has a horrible rep with OSX and is likely to cause more problems.

It sounds like your preferences got hosed somewhere. I'd backup and reinstall just to be on the safe side. And trash Norton.

golfnuts1165 · 11:59 AM

I can't even open up the disc tray. How do I get the tray open since the computer won't even let me open the tray? Is there a force button for the disc tray? I have 10.3 install discs, do I start with the 10.3 install disc and hold down the "C" button?

CatOne · Jul 19, 2005, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Uh, what? 10.3 isn't free either. It's just harder to find, because you'd have to find a site that was selling copies of old Mac OS versions.

Unless you are advocating piracy, of course, in which case you would be violating the forum rules.

Sorry, typo. Recommending he goes straight from 10.2 to 10.4, skipping 10.3, which saves $129.

CharlesS · Jul 19, 2005, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by golfnuts1165

I can't even open up the disc tray. How do I get the tray open since the computer won't even let me open the tray? Is there a force button for the disc tray? I have 10.3 install discs, can start with the 10.3 install disc and hold down the "C" button?

You can get the tray open by holding down the mouse button as the machine starts up.

However, I have to echo the sentiment put forth by others - do not use Norton. It is almost guaranteed to make your problem worse than it is. If you have DiskWarrior, running that might be a good idea, though.

I'd try reinstalling again, except this time, try checking the "Archive and Install" button in the options. That will be sure to get rid of any OS files that might be corrupt. Afterward, you can just run Software Update to get to 10.3.9.

golfnuts1165 · Jul 19, 2005, 02:14 PM

I notice when the computer started up than the froze apple icon appears, after about 1 min. the fan started to get really loud. It seems it was dragging alot of power to the computer. Has this ever happened to anyone?

I guess DiskWorrior is the preferred program to fix these type of issues?

golfnuts1165 · Jul 20, 2005, 09:45 AM

I bought Tiger, I hope the upgrade is not too terrible. I still can't access my drive. I have to get DiskWarrior to get what ever is causing not to start up. Once I get the computer up and running, I will trash the preferences. Is there anything I should look out for when installing Tiger? I guess there got to 100s of post on the issues. You guys have been great.

CharlesS · Jul 20, 2005, 09:59 AM

Just do an Archive and Install. That should get rid of any existing file corruption that you have.

golfnuts1165 · Jul 20, 2005, 04:07 PM

I went to the apple store to have them check it out anyway. they said it's not software related and they have to do a hardware dianostic and see if anything major. I hope it's a simple fix but anything besides software is major. The HD is running hard sometimes. I hope this is not the end of my drive.

golfnuts1165 · Jul 26, 2005, 10:20 PM

it turns out it was my processor and logic board that went bad. This is my first experience with any hardware going bad with apple. all my old G-4 G-3 were in perfect shape, never really had any problem with hardware. Thanks for you guys input on everything.

Appleman · Jul 27, 2005, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by golfnuts1165

The HD is running hard sometimes.

HD stands for Hard Disk so that's "normal"...

Never use Norton. This can't be stressed out enough. Maybe Norton is the only virus for the Mac