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Intel iMac boot text and random & progressive app failure
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Aug 1, 2006, 03:36 PM
 
I searched but can't find anything like what I'm seeing.

1. My Intel iMac displays text on boot and has since I received it as a refurb three weeks ago. I don't know if this is normal, but I've found no posts of people reporting this so I just don't know if it's a bug or feature. IS it normal for Intel iMacs to display *nIx-like boot text on startup?

2. I used the transfer wizard to copy my data from my G5 Powermac onto the Imac. Since then, apps taht worked a week ago no longer work. And the problem is getting worse. More and more apps are failing to boot (show up in dock, bounce once or twice and disappear) or cause crashes and bring up the crash reporter. This seems to be getting worse each day as more apps fail to boot that did since the transfer. Another app, DVD Player, failed to detect DVD's last weekend and i ran Onyx and rebooted and this fixed the problem. But taken as a whole, this is really beginning to creep me out and I'm glad I have backups because I feel a system crash coming on.

I have deleted prefs/files for these apps and downloaded new Universal binaries (Firefox is prime example) and still no joy.

3. When I transfered, I ran Onyx after the transfer. I then ran Onyx a few days later to upgrade to 10.4.7, upgraded, and then ran Onyx again. I usually run Onyx once a month.

Thank you in advance for any ideas, suggestions, warnings you might provide. I've been using OS X since 10.2.x and Macs since SE's but don't hesitate to ask if I've done simple checks as there is always something i might be missing.

Thanks again.

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Edit: I ran Onyx again and now some apps (Firefox, VLC and mPlayer) that were not starting, are now starting again. I've never seen this sort of thing before. Anyone else? I'm thinking another backup and then wipe the drive and start over?
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Aug 2, 2006, 01:21 AM
 
Another backup, wipe and start over, and DON'T USE THE MIGRATION ASSISTANT GOING FROM POWERPC TO INTEL.

Those weird erratic problems might be bad RAM, though.

Still, nuke and pave is the first step.
     
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Aug 2, 2006, 01:26 AM
 
What are you talking about? Migration Assistant works fine between PPC and Intel.
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Aug 2, 2006, 02:10 AM
 
I've seen cases where drivers were transferred over that ****ed up the system.

Sure, it's fairly simple to remedy, but not by a newbie advised over the 'net or the phone.
     
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Aug 2, 2006, 06:40 AM
 
Thanks. But is the boot text normal or what?

And overnight, apps that worked yesterday don't even boot. Seriously unstable.
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Aug 2, 2006, 09:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by analogika
I've seen cases where drivers were transferred over that ****ed up the system.
I don't see how that would happen since it doesn't transfer the System folder at all. My experience with Migration Assistant has always been very good.

And no, text on boot is not normal unless you're holding V, and apps crashing is never normal.
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Aug 2, 2006, 09:32 AM
 
K. Thanks. Nuke and pave it is.

Appreciate the feedback.
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Aug 2, 2006, 05:18 PM
 
The text you see on bootup is most likely verbose mode. The tech's probably changed it to verbose to diagnose your iMacs problems. To change it back to the normal mode, simply open : com.apple.Boot.plist in /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration

Open the plist in textedit, then find the lines:

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<key>Kernel Flags</key> <string>-v</string>

Edit it to look like:


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<key>Kernel Flags</key> <string></string>


Save to a folder, replace the original file as root, and you're done.

For what it's worth, here are my factory shipped plist contents for my Intel iMac:
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> <plist version="1.0"> <dict> <key>Kernel</key> <string>mach_kernel</string> <key>Kernel Flags</key> <string></string> <key>Boot Graphics</key> <string>Yes</string> </dict> </plist>
     
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Aug 2, 2006, 05:21 PM
 
As for your app crashing problem, try repairing permissions via Disk Utility.
     
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Aug 2, 2006, 06:33 PM
 
Thanks but...

1. My boot.plist is the same as yours. That can't be the reason i see boot text.

2. I've used Onyx 5 times in last week as well as used DiskUtlility. DU reported no problems and Onyx only works for a day or so until the symptoms reappear.

It's format and reload time.

Thanks anyway.
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Aug 2, 2006, 08:30 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chuckit
I don't see how that would happen since it doesn't transfer the System folder at all. My experience with Migration Assistant has always been very good.
I migrated a PowerBook G4 to a MacBook Pro, and the migration assistant did move a few incompatible preference panes and screen savers that were in my personal Library folder (not the system's Library). Didn't cause any harm, but I did have to go in and manually remove them.
     
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Aug 3, 2006, 12:48 AM
 
Oh, yeah, it'll move incompatible prefpanes. But that won't hurt anything. That was my point.
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Aug 3, 2006, 02:47 PM
 
any way to reset the power manager?

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Aug 3, 2006, 02:57 PM
 
What do you mean?
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Aug 3, 2006, 05:05 PM
 
That's not an issue with this iMac. Thanks anyway.
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