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moonmonkey · Aug 5, 2006, 01:48 PM

What are the bets that Apple makes 10.5 developer version (released in a few days) phone home and authenticate to avoid all the crap that happened last time.

I hope not.

mduell · Aug 5, 2006, 02:05 PM

Why would that be a bad thing? Does your development box not normally have an internet connection?

Philip J. Fry · Aug 6, 2006, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

What are the bets that Apple makes 10.5 developer version (released in a few days) phone home and authenticate to avoid all the crap that happened last time.

I hope not.

Why not? If it's legally yours, you should have no problems with whatever they come up with to reduce piracy.

rickey939 · Aug 6, 2006, 10:44 AM

It won't.

besson3c · Aug 6, 2006, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Philip J. Fry

Why not? If it's legally yours, you should have no problems with whatever they come up with to reduce piracy.

That's a poor attitude to take. If it's legally mine, I don't want to be treated like a criminal.

Are you saying that you'd be happy with an OS that was filled to the brim with DRM in an attempt to reduce piracy, and you'd have no problems like you say?

As long as the US government says they're fighting terrorism, do you have no problem with them possibily spying on your phone conversations?

Philip J. Fry · Aug 6, 2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

That's a poor attitude to take. If it's legally mine, I don't want to be treated like a criminal.

Are you saying that you'd be happy with an OS that was filled to the brim with DRM in an attempt to reduce piracy, and you'd have no problems like you say?

As long as the US government says they're fighting terrorism, do you have no problem with them possibily spying on your phone conversations?

Good lord it was a statement, not an attitude. Get over it.

besson3c · Aug 6, 2006, 11:54 AM

Sorry man, you just sounded like an Apple apologist.

Yes, I'm not going to get my knickers in a bunch about Apple being a business and making decisions that are in its best interest, as long as they don't affect the user experience. These sort of anti-piracy measures generally adds a sense of inconvenience, and deters from the user experience.

Whether they decide to do this for the developer preview I don't care though, since it's not a shipping product. Still, taking the attitude that "if you're not doing anything wrong yourself, what does it matter?" is an attitude that irritates me.

Sorry to snap at you.

mduell · Aug 6, 2006, 03:31 PM

Limited distribution, pre-release software is much different than publicly available, released software.

angelmb · Aug 6, 2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

What are the bets that Apple makes 10.5 developer version (released in a few days) phone home and authenticate to avoid all the crap that happened last time.

I hope not.

Did you by mistake write 'not' instead of 'so' ?

moonmonkey · Aug 7, 2006, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by angelmb

Did you by mistake write 'not' instead of 'so' ?

No.

English isn't your first language is it.

Hi I'm Ben · Aug 7, 2006, 05:52 AM

I'm pretty positive I read an article recently talking about how steve is still objected to doing that. Whether that's true or not is another thing but Apple is very set in the ways they do things.

I don't really think the OS piracy is a HUGE deal for Apple. Often times their OS's are released to do cooler things with new hardware. So basically if you'd like to take advantage of some of the new features in your computer you'll need to upgrade. When you upgrade you get the new OS and apple gets a nice chunk of change.

First it was Quartz Extreem, then CoreImage/CoreVideo... little things like Photobooth, iChat Video, etc that Apple starts adding to the operating system that only the new machines really take advantage of.

Final Cut Pro doesn't call home and it's far more expensive than Mac OS, it only requires a serial number, which is understandable.

Even if they were to initiate some type of authentication, I don't care. It's not really changing anything for me, once the laptop is setup i never have to think about it again.

I think it's safe to say there will never be a "Apple Geniune Advantage Program".

- - e r i k - - · Aug 8, 2006, 05:45 AM

Come on - they made fun of Windows activation at the keynote. No, you won't ever see it in Mac OS X.

Oh, and OS piracy is definitely NOT a problem for Apple seeing as Tiger was their top selling software of all times.

moonmonkey · Aug 8, 2006, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Come on - they made fun of Windows activation at the keynote. No, you won't ever see it in Mac OS X.

Oh, and OS piracy is definitely NOT a problem for Apple seeing as Tiger was their top selling software of all times.

It was quite funny too, i'm glad they didn't add it.

Stradlater · Aug 8, 2006, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Philip J. Fry

Why not? If it's legally yours, you should have no problems with whatever they come up with to reduce piracy.

Do you also support wire-tapping? Replace "piracy" with "terrorism."

mitchell_pgh · Aug 8, 2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Hi I'm Ben

I'm pretty positive I read an article recently talking about how steve is still objected to doing that. Whether that's true or not is another thing but Apple is very set in the ways they do things.

I don't really think the OS piracy is a HUGE deal for Apple. Often times their OS's are released to do cooler things with new hardware. So basically if you'd like to take advantage of some of the new features in your computer you'll need to upgrade. When you upgrade you get the new OS and apple gets a nice chunk of change.

I agree... I think they would spend more time making sure OS X only runs on their hardware... and less policing their own users.

While Apple can never condone piracy, I'm guessing their are some tech people that would rather have the end user pirate as compared to running an old OS (with bugs that have been corrected).

That being said, people should just pay for the upgrade...

voodoo · Aug 9, 2006, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

What are the bets that Apple makes 10.5 developer version (released in a few days) phone home and authenticate to avoid all the crap that happened last time.

I hope not.

What crap happened last time??

V

mitchell_pgh · Aug 9, 2006, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Sorry man, you just sounded like an Apple apologist.

Yes, I'm not going to get my knickers in a bunch about Apple being a business and making decisions that are in its best interest, as long as they don't affect the user experience. These sort of anti-piracy measures generally adds a sense of inconvenience, and deters from the user experience.

Whether they decide to do this for the developer preview I don't care though, since it's not a shipping product. Still, taking the attitude that "if you're not doing anything wrong yourself, what does it matter?" is an attitude that irritates me.

Sorry to snap at you.

I think they can make the developer releases crazy secure (requiring authentication, phone number, bla bla bla), but the consumer release shouldn't include DRM period.

g/re/p · Aug 9, 2006, 08:26 PM

It is not "yours" legally and never will be - you are granted a licence to
use the software and are required to agree to the "EULA" to use it.

Originally Posted by besson3c

That's a poor attitude to take. If it's legally mine, I don't want to be treated like a criminal.

Are you saying that you'd be happy with an OS that was filled to the brim with DRM in an attempt to reduce piracy, and you'd have no problems like you say?

As long as the US government says they're fighting terrorism, do you have no problem with them possibily spying on your phone conversations?