[Mac Write]

Leopard Developer Preview has been out for a day now and the Read Me for system requirements still hasn't leaked. All that we know, is on Apple's site it says "G3 to Xeon will run Leopard" but what will the cut off for supported systems be? No speculation please just the System Requirements stated in the Read me.

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Leopard Developer Preview has been out for a day now and the Read Me for system requirements still hasn't leaked. All that we know, is on Apple's site it says "G3 to Xeon will run Leopard" but what will the cut off for supported systems be? No speculation please just the System Requirements stated in the Read me.

Translation:

"Will you please violate your NDA to tell me whether or not my iMac DV SE will run Leopard?"

[Stradlater]

Mac Write Please Turn Down The Volume Of Your Sig.

[Mac Write]

I forget so say not sure if it does violate the NDA to say what systems it runs on. Volume of my signature?

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

I forget so say not sure if it does violate the NDA to say what systems it runs on.

You yourself acknowledge that it's an NDA violation:

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Leopard Developer Preview has been out for a day now and the Read Me for system requirements still hasn't leaked.

[Stradlater]

Volume: space: it takes up too much.

Suggestion: take out the unnecessary quotation tag and line breaks.

[Mac Write]

I don't know if it does or not. That is the questions+ I think we are all a little curious.

[imitchellg5]

I would love to know if what it would run on. To me, system requirements aren't a leak that is going to cause Apple any damage, if anything, someone will buy a new Mac to have Leopard.

[Moose]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

To me

And this is where we stop reading, because your opinion on what should and should not be proprietary does not change the reality of what actually is proprietary, non-public information.

[Matt OS X]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

All that we know, is on Apple's site it says "G3 to Xeon will run Leopard"

Where did you see that?

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Matt OS X

Where did you see that?

I never saw that anywhere.

[Mac Write]

That's what I was told. It's on the Leopard site.

[besson3c]

I love when people get all uppity when people ask others to break NDAs. People can choose to break their NDA if they want, it's their choice. I'm not going to lose sleep about the damage it will do to Apple, especially not something like this.

I think Apple is a little paranoid about people copying them. Sure it happens, and probably a lot more than I think, but somebody copying the shade of blue Apple uses on its scroll bars is not going to result in the entire computer world crumbling to pieces.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by Matt OS X

Where did you see that?

It said it on the 64-bit page of the Leopard preview yesterday. It's no longer there now.

[Mac Write]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

It said it on the 64-bit page of the Leopard preview yesterday. It's no longer there now.

That's the page I thought it was on. Did a search for "G3" and no go. That explains it.

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

That's what I was told. It's on the Leopard site.

Yes, it was there, but I can not see it anymore. To look for it on Apple sites out of the USA doesn't help since they are still on 'mirror mode', plain english.

[jamil5454]

Let's hope people with older video chipsets (like the Radeon 9200 in iBooks and G4 Mac Minis) won't be cutoff from certain features in Leopard. I could care less about the ripple effect in Dashboard.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Stradlater

Volume: space: it takes up too much.

Suggestion: take out the unnecessary quotation tag and line breaks.

Done. Those tags made it atrociously tall.

tooki

[Gossamer]

One of the rumor sites discusses that phrase, I think there was a thread here about that in the past couple days. What it basically said was G3 to Xeon, Mini(?) to Xserve, there's only one Leopard, or something like that. It was recently taken down, either because Apple won't support the G3 after all, or because there are actually two Leopards: regular and server. At least that was the speculation.

[Mac Write]

Yes that was the saying
"G3 to Xeon there is only one Leopard"

[Don Pickett]

Tiger "required" machines which came with Firewire built-in, which included my old Pismo, bought in February of 2000. So, I imagine that Tiger will move the required installation one generation beyond machines of the Pismo's era, although I have no idea what the hardware cut off will be. That said, I am sure you (or I) will be able to install Leopard on Pismos and the like using XPostFacto and other, similar methods. You may not get all the bells and whistles, but it will run.

As for other requirements, like RAM, VRAM, etc., I have no idea.

[black bear theory]

Originally Posted by Don Pickett

Tiger "required" machines which came with Firewire built-in, which included my old Pismo, bought in February of 2000. So, I imagine that Tiger will move the required installation one generation beyond machines of the Pismo's era, although I have no idea what the hardware cut off will be. That said, I am sure you (or I) will be able to install Leopard on Pismos and the like using XPostFacto and other, similar methods. You may not get all the bells and whistles, but it will run.

As for other requirements, like RAM, VRAM, etc., I have no idea.

aside from the passage of time, are there any good OS-related reasons why pismo's will not be supported in leopard?

pismo's were the cut-off because they were the first model to support firewire. there is no new technology that is replacing firewire that the pismo can't handle.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by black bear theory

aside from the passage of time, are there any good OS-related reasons why pismo's will not be supported in leopard?

pismo's were the cut-off because they were the first model to support firewire. there is no new technology that is replacing firewire that the pismo can't handle.

I don't think there is a hard fast rule saying the pismo will be unsupported. For Apple, I'm sure it's just wanting to keep their code clean and users buying computers.

My G4 tower from 2001 is showing the years... once CS3 and Office make the UB list, I'll wait for the next bump.

To be honest, Firewire is an artificial limitation imposed by Apple... I'm guessing they just draw a line at around 5+ years and say "OK, you aren't supported anymore"

[inkhead]

Just to let everyone know you WILL need a dual layer burner for the leopard disc images (for those of you who are developers)

i coped the actual disks to my computer with DD, and did it as a "raw" format.

Leopard
Kind: NDIF disk image
Size:5.05 GB

Leopard Server
KIND NDIF disk image
Size:4.42 GB

Doesn't look like it will install on an external drive, so I am using an external dvd burner on my Macbook Pro 15" (since it's not dual layer), and will use iPartition to turn bootcamp partition into a play partition for leopard to install on.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

To be honest, Firewire is an artificial limitation imposed by Apple... I'm guessing they just draw a line at around 5+ years and say "OK, you aren't supported anymore"

Correct. The base model iMacs that came out along with the iMac DVs didn't have firewire, but they're still supported in Tiger. It's not the firewire port that matters, but Apple decided that was the general age they wanted the cut off to be. Panther required built-in USB, as another example. Both Tiger and Panther worked great on my Beige G3s even though they weren't technically supported.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by inkhead

i coped the actual disks to my computer with DD, and did it as a "raw" format.

Get thee to The Pirate Bay, quickly!

[seanc]

Doing a Google shows what I assume is cached since a search on the page brings nothing up;

Originally Posted by Apple

From G3 to Xeon, from MacBook to Xserve, there is just one Leopard.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by inkhead

Just to let everyone know you WILL need a dual layer burner for the leopard disc images (for those of you who are developers)

Dual layer burner to burn the DVDs or just to use them to install?

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by black bear theory

pismo's were the cut-off because they were the first model to support firewire. there is no new technology that is replacing firewire that the pismo can't handle.

Oops: I wasn't clear. I don't think there's a technological reason, just Apple's decision that ~5 years is their cut off point for support.

[Angus_D]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Leopard Developer Preview has been out for a day now and the Read Me for system requirements still hasn't leaked. All that we know, is on Apple's site it says "G3 to Xeon will run Leopard" but what will the cut off for supported systems be? No speculation please just the System Requirements stated in the Read me.

Why do you care anyway, since you're never going to be running the developer preview? I'm sure the requirements will be announced in due time.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Angus_D

Why do you care anyway, since you're never going to be running the developer preview?

Because system requirements do not tend to change between seeds?

[Angus_D]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Because system requirements do not tend to change between seeds?

That's not necessarily true. I'm sure the requirements will be announced in due course.

[Javizun]

do you think my macbook pro 2.0 2gb will run it?

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Javizun

do you think my macbook pro 2.0 2gb will run it?

Uh.

Yes.

[andretan]

Any rough estimates on how fast would the "finished product" would run on current existing Intel based Macs (iMac, Mac mini, MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro)?

I remember when I still had my iBook G3 700. Because it's slow and has only 16MB of VRAM, CoreImage wouldn't work "nicely" when Tiger came out. Ie; no ripples in Dashboard; video playback was slow... etc.

[msuper69]

Good grief!

Get a grip people.

ALL of the current Intel based Macs will run Leopard just fine.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Javizun

do you think my macbook pro 2.0 2gb will run it?

Dude, that thing is, like, MONTHS old. You can't expect Apple to support this stuff forever.

[harrisjamieh]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Dude, that thing is, like, MONTHS old. You can't expect Apple to support this stuff forever.

Yeh, I heard you'll be needing at least a quad-quad to be able to run it..., and more if you want Core Animation

In all seriousness, is Core Animation going to be something that relies on graphics cards (I'm assuming it is...)? In which case, I wonder if the MacBooks will be able to support it... (again, my hunch would be that they will...)

[jamil5454]

Originally Posted by andretan

Any rough estimates on how fast would the "finished product" would run on current existing Intel based Macs (iMac, Mac mini, MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro)?

I remember when I still had my iBook G3 700. Because it's slow and has only 16MB of VRAM, CoreImage wouldn't work "nicely" when Tiger came out. Ie; no ripples in Dashboard; video playback was slow... etc.

The reason CoreImage doesn't work on older video chipsets has nothing to do with the VRAM and everything to do with the GPU not supporting the CoreImage operations.

Kinda like how certain software will not run on a G3 because of the lack of the Altivec engine.

[TheoCryst]

Originally Posted by harrisjamieh

In all seriousness, is Core Animation going to be something that relies on graphics cards (I'm assuming it is...)? In which case, I wonder if the MacBooks will be able to support it... (again, my hunch would be that they will...)

According to the Apple site:

Core Animation runs on any Core Image-capable Mac (including most Macs shipped in the past two years).

I'd suppose that MacBooks will run Leopard perfectly well. Hopefully... cuz there's no way in hell I'm replacing my brand new MB for it. 10.6, maybe.

[Mac Write]

The reason I care is that in the past the Developer Preview System Requiremnets have been the final system requirements.

[Dark Helmet]

Just incase nobody has mentioned it. The developer preview needs a G4 or up.

[Mac Write]

Please give specifics (like copy the text from the read me). Thanks

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Please give specifics (like copy the text from the read me). Thanks

The jist is G4 and up (including Intel) and 256 RAM for PPC and 512 for Intel.

[Velocity211]

[Mac Write]

Oh crap. iBook G3's cira 2003 aren't supported.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Oh crap. iBook G3's cira 2003 aren't supported.

Considering the hardware is 4 years old by the time 10.5 ships that isn't a huge surprise.

Strangely enough my 6 year old G4 Cube can run it.

[jamil5454]

Whew... my iBook can run it, but no Core Animation for me

Oh well... time to start saving for a Mac Pro!

[Mac Write]

I don't have the iBook, but some firends do and they are going to be very pissed that there less then 3 year old Mac won't run it. Too bad it's not "G4 or 700mhz or faster G3" something like that.

[Big Mac]

That's a pretty substantially jump from built-in Firewire for Tiger to G4 or better for Leopard. I suppose Apple figures that since most of the defective iceBook G3s it continued to sell for so long are dead and gone by now, it does not have to care about G3 support at this point. At this rate 10.6 will list the G5 as a minimum requirement.