[Laura Anne]

Just spent the last couple of hours reading through the panics and freezes thread started by Detrius. A tremendous help (thanks, Detrius!), I think the problem may be my firewire drive or the port, but am not sure where to go from here.

I have a very old G-4, 400 mHz, but am booting off a 240 gig LaCie firewire dirive, running OS 10.3.9. (the G-4 has 10.2.8 installed). Had my first kernel panic of my life a couple of days ago. It wasn't in response to something I was doing, I saw the "you must reboot" window when I returned to my computer. I rebooted as told and now the booting stalls on "log-in window starting" Because of the problem I'm working off the G-4 now, but can't use some of my programs , nor get at my email program, so am really trying to get back to booting of the firewire. One odd thing, when I hold down the option key to choose which OS folder to boot off of, the OS 9 folders don't show up, which is new. Don't know if that's related.

Here is what the kernel panic log says:

Thu Sep 28 14:14:49 2006


panic(cpu 0): vpwakeup: neg numoutput
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00083498 0x0008397C 0x0001EDA4 0x000C1118 0x000B6884 0x003BB9BC 0x003B00D4 0x006DDC28
0x006E09B8 0x006E0AB8 0x003CECC0 0x003CEEE0 0x0047FF08 0x0048030C 0x0046BC84 0x0046B704
0x0044D568 0x0042E078 0x0042D974 0x0063F880 0x0063E8B4 0x00267FCC 0x00266EAC 0x00266E10
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIReducedBlockCommandsDevice(1 .3.9)@0x6dc000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.3.4)@0x3aa000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(1.3. 9)@0x3c7000
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSerialBusProtocolTranspo rt(1.3.1)@0x47e000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSBP2(1.6.2)@0x468000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(1.3. 9)@0x3c7000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily(1.8.8)@0x425000
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSBP2(1.6.2)@0x468000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily(1.8.8)@0x425000
com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI(2.2.10)@0x639000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x497000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily(1.8.8)@0x425000
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily(1.8.8)@0x425000
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(1.3. 9)@0x3c7000
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.3.4)@0x3aa000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x1AA4C000)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0:
Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

I have no SCSI devices and have installed no SCSI card. Obviously I see further down that there's a firewire issue but don't know what it is.

The "log-in window" crash log says (and repeats many times with only a change in PID number and time):


Host Name:
Date/Time: 2006-09-29 11:11:05 +0000
OS Version: 10.3.9 (Build 7W98)
Report Version: 2

Command: loginwindow
Path: /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow
Version: ??? (???)
PID: 211
Thread: Unknown

Link (dyld) error:

dyld: /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow can't open library: /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/CarbonCore (No such file or directory, errno = 2)



There is also an "exited processes crash log" which says:

Host Name:
Date/Time: 2006-09-26 14:01:52 -0500
OS Version: 10.3.9 (Build 7W98)
Report Version: 2

Command: Exited process
Path: Exited process
Version: ??? (???)
PID: 464
Thread: Unknown

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x90931bab
(null)
PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x908611f4 srr1: 0x0000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
cr: 0x44000424 xer: 0x20000004 lr: 0x008e16b0 ctr: 0x908611e0
r0: 0x008e16b0 r1: 0xf0140e00 r2: 0x00100d10 r3: 0x001121a0
r4: 0x008e8a5c r5: 0x00000001 r6: 0xf0140144 r7: 0x00000001
r8: 0x00000000 r9: 0x00000010 r10: 0x000017da r11: 0x008ecc38
r12: 0x90931bab r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0x00000000
r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0x00000000 r26: 0x00000000 r27: 0x00148460
r28: 0x001113d0 r29: 0x001c1150 r30: 0x001bfcd0 r31: 0x008e15c0

Binary Images Description:

There also are 3 files I've never seen before sitting on the root directory of my LaCie: mach, mach_kernel, and mach.sym. At least I've never noticed them before, so I think they're new.

So I think I've got to do something with my firewire, but I can't figure out what. Any suggestions?

Then I guess I have to figure out where the missing library went for the log-in windo problem and how to replace it. Any suggestions?

THANKS for any advice you can give!

Laura Anne

PS, for a long time (no matter whether booting off the G-4 or the Firewire, the system is very slow booting up and very slow waking up or accessing a drive I haven't used in a while (i.e. in the last 20 minutes or so)

[jay3ld]

I belive it is a firewire card issue.

Remove the card and boot off the computer (using 10.2.8) and see if it works..


You might have to get a new card.

[Laura Anne]

Originally Posted by jay3ld

I belive it is a firewire card issue.

Remove the card and boot off the computer (using 10.2.8) and see if it works..


You might have to get a new card.

But (and I should have said this) I have no problem accessing the firewire drive as an external drive, only booting off of it.

[reader50]

All PowerMac G4s came with FW ports, there should be no need for a PCI FW card unless the built-in ports are blown.

Run Disk Utility, let it see if it can repair anything on the FW drive. Also do a permissions repair on the FW drive. Permissions repairs seem to mostly be unneeded with Panther and Tiger, but you are running Jaguar, so it may fix something.

The "missing system file" suggests some damage to the operating system files. That would indeed trip up an attempt to boot. You could copy the folder across from your internal drive, then do a permissions repair again to make sure it's properly permissioned for booting. Or you could do a safe OS reinstall (with the Preserve Users & Groups option). Save that for a last resort, try everything else first. Reinstalls should not be a routine maintenance or recovery step.

You can ignore the three new files that are visible. All are normally present, only hidden. The fact they are visible suggests a permissions problem, or some directory damage to the FW drive (specifically, the .hidden file may have been deleted - which doesn't hurt anything).