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solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 02:57 PM

4 way partitioned drive.
Leopard
Tiger
Windows XP Boot Camp
Files
?
any thoughts on this? i am trying, but it does not appear to be working.

Peter · Jul 19, 2007, 03:10 PM

Yes.
Make sure the Files partition is FAT32 though.
Why wouldn't it work? Unless Leopard requires a formatted drive - quite possible.

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 03:15 PM

the problem is that boot camp requires that the disk be 1 disk...
and to install leopard and tiger on there own partitions, you have to partition in advance...
how do you think that i can do this?

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 03:38 PM

does anyone have any ideas of how to get around that?
i have leopard and tiger installed, but i can only install windows in paralells because boot camp requires 1 drive that it will then partition...

Chuckit · Jul 19, 2007, 03:44 PM

I think diskutil can resize partitions without wiping the disk. This forum, however, does not offer support for pirated software…

Peter · Jul 19, 2007, 03:44 PM

partition with Tech Tools, boot off WinXP disk, install to tech tools partitioned disk?

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I think diskutil can resize partitions without wiping the disk. This forum, however, does not offer support for pirated software…

here we go again with this, who is talking about pirated software?
i am talking about partitioning.

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

partition with Tech Tools, boot off WinXP disk, install to tech tools partitioned disk?

hmmm... i will try that i guess. i know there is software that does allow for repartitioning without loosing your stuff, but i am nearly 100% sure that disk utility does not do that. i will try though.

Chuckit · Jul 19, 2007, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

here we go again with this, who is talking about pirated software?

You are, dude.

Originally Posted by solofx7

4 way partitioned drive.
Leopard
Tiger
Windows XP Boot Camp
Files

Do you see the pirated software?

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

You are, dude.

Do you see the pirated software?

I refuse to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone again in regards to what you "think"
next you are not a mod, but nice try.
finally "if" me or someone else wanted to talk about pirated software they could, you may want to check some of the info on the board as well as other postings.
but alas that is not what i am doing so i have no worries, but i do thank you for your time and effort.

back to the topic though. does anyone else have any thoughts on how to accomplish this?
boot camp is currently the sticking point.

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 04:05 PM

Tiger's Disk Utility can do live partitioning and partition resizing from the command line. So, you can try it there or see what Leopard's Disk Utility can do from the GUI. You don't have to use Boot Camp Utility to install Windows on a Mac. It just provides a simple way of doing it.

besson3c · Jul 19, 2007, 04:08 PM

Why does the partition have to be FAT 32? You can use the MacFUSE NTFS thing to read/write to NTFS disks...

Big Mac · Jul 19, 2007, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

Tiger's Disk Utility can do live partitioning and partition resizing from the command line. So, you can try it there or see what Leopard's Disk Utility can do from the GUI. You don't have to use Boot Camp Utility to install Windows on a Mac. It just provides a simple way of doing it.

That's pretty cool - I did not know that.

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

Tiger's Disk Utility can do live partitioning and partition resizing from the command line. So, you can try it there or see what Leopard's Disk Utility can do from the GUI. You don't have to use Boot Camp Utility to install Windows on a Mac. It just provides a simple way of doing it.

first, love the name.
second i am not that versed in command line, but how can you do live partitioning?
how would i install windows on it's own partition without boot camp?
i am slightly confused there also.

Chuckit · Jul 19, 2007, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

That's pretty cool - I did not know that.

Well, it's actually diskutil, like I said. That's how Boot Camp does its magic. I'm not sure why they don't add it to the GUI app.

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 04:28 PM

You can do a 'man diskutil' in the Terminal in Tiger to see the syntax. Or do a google search or check macosxhints.com for tips. Probably the simplest thing to do is use Leopard's Disk Utility.

To install Windows, boot from a Windows CD/DVD. Option boot to get to the Startup Manager and insert your Windows disc. Select your Windows disc and boot from it. Now just make sure you select the correct partition to install to. I suggest making the partition a unique size so you can easily distinguish it from your other partitions.

Boot Camp Utility is just a simpler front end for Disk Utility's live partitioning. It also provides a means to burn a driver CD. However, it is not required. You can do your own partitioning and extract the driver CD .iso file from the Boot Camp Utility package and make your own CD or just install from the .iso image within Windows. The thing that really enabled Windows booting on Macs was the firmware update last year that enabled BIOS compatibility in the Mac's EFI.

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 06:50 PM

thanks for the info.
i will give it a shot and let you know what i come up with.
i did just try the disk utility and ran into issues formatting the extra space of the drive.
i think that i am going to have to start from scratch.

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 06:57 PM

Keep in mind that you can't format free space. You have to put a partition in it first.

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 07:57 PM

so basically i would boot off of my leopard disk and then go to the disk utility and partition the disk 4 ways.
3 Mac Journaled partitions for Leopard, Tiger, and my files that I want Journaled for searching and use.
1 Windows compatable partition for XP
then install Leopard, Tiger, then go into sysem preferences and tell my MacBook Pro to boot off of the Windows XP install disk.
then install windows to the Windows partition?
And will all of this give me the abilit to hold option on boot and see all partitions i.e. Leopard, Tiger, and Windows XP to choose to boot from?
Does all of that sound right or possible?

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 07:58 PM

so what does Vandelay Industries produce?

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

so basically i would boot off of my leopard disk and then go to the disk utility and partition the disk 4 ways.
3 Mac Journaled partitions for Leopard, Tiger, and my files that I want Journaled for searching and use.
1 Windows compatable partition for XP
then install Leopard, Tiger, then go into sysem preferences and tell my MacBook Pro to boot off of the Windows XP install disk.
then install windows to the Windows partition?
And will all of this give me the abilit to hold option on boot and see all partitions i.e. Leopard, Tiger, and Windows XP to choose to boot from?
Does all of that sound right or possible?

If you're trying to live partition the disk, then use the Leopard DVD. If not, either the Tiger or Leopard DVD will do. Otherwise, it looks like you've got the idea. Keep in mind though that you should make your Windows partition a unique size so you'll be able to easily identify in the Windows installer. If you make it the same size as another partition, then you won't be able to tell them apart.

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

so what does Vandelay Industries produce?

Latex products.

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

If you're trying to live partition the disk, then use the Leopard DVD. If not, either the Tiger or Leopard DVD will do. Otherwise, it looks like you've got the idea. Keep in mind though that you should make your Windows partition a unique size so you'll be able to easily identify in the Windows installer. If you make it the same size as another partition, then you won't be able to tell them apart.

I was going to name them specifically.
hmm... when i get home soon, i am gonig to give this a shot and i will let you know what i come up with. thank for your help ou rock...

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 08:27 PM

It's been a while since I've installed Windows on a Mac for native booting, but IIRC Windows installer won't see the volume names. So, the only thing you have to go by is volume size.

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 08:32 PM

if i install it the way that we have talked about, will it be seen during the "option" boot?

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 09:02 PM

Yes

solofx7 · Jul 19, 2007, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

If you're trying to live partition the disk, then use the Leopard DVD. If not, either the Tiger or Leopard DVD will do. Otherwise, it looks like you've got the idea. Keep in mind though that you should make your Windows partition a unique size so you'll be able to easily identify in the Windows installer. If you make it the same size as another partition, then you won't be able to tell them apart.

by live partitioning you mean resizing or creating new partitions or splitting current partitions on the fly without loosing the contents right? hmmm... that can be done in disk utility for leopard?

Art Vandelay · Jul 19, 2007, 11:31 PM

Yes and so I've heard.

solofx7 · Jul 20, 2007, 08:59 AM

Mr. Vandelay, you are the man, it appears to be working. I really want to just have one OS X version, but until i can get Leopard to be as stable as i want I have to do 2 i guess. For about 90% of my stuff it works though. Thanks again, you are the man. hmm... I will post back here when I am a tad bit further down the road, but I do have a couple of other questions.
Do you know of any windows based or possibly Mac side software that will take an image of the Windows XP partition so that I can restore it in case anything happens?
Also how could I move free space from one partition to another in Mac?

ghporter · Jul 20, 2007, 09:52 AM

Windows imaging is not difficult to do. DriveImage (from PowerQuest, now owned by Symantec) seems to be one of the best. And there are plug-in versions of it that allow you to simply boot from a CD and run the image creation features. Check out BartPE for details. Note that this stuff is free. Free is good.

solofx7 · Jul 20, 2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by ghporter

Windows imaging is not difficult to do. DriveImage (from PowerQuest, now owned by Symantec) seems to be one of the best. And there are plug-in versions of it that allow you to simply boot from a CD and run the image creation features. Check out BartPE for details. Note that this stuff is free. Free is good.

thanks, i will try this, but bartpe is saying that i would need to buy the imaging program. i still have yet to find a free one...

Art Vandelay · Jul 20, 2007, 11:56 AM

NetRestore (bombich.com) can do Windows imaging.

In the testing I've done, you can't move free space around through Disk Utility. You can delete a partition and grow another to fill the space though. It might be possible through diskutil in Terminal.

solofx7 · Jul 20, 2007, 02:14 PM

thanks again Art... i will give this a shot. i am working on the image things in my mind.
i think that there is a third party software that does this, but i have to check.

solofx7 · Jul 20, 2007, 02:19 PM

wow Art, that program looks like it is the one that i need, you soooooo rock... i can only hope to be a manufactuerer of Latex someday like you.. thanks again...