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aehaas · Aug 20, 2007, 09:16 AM

Will 10.5 run the CUPS printing? I read about this, you can print from the finder without opening a program. This is a great feature. I saw the 1.3 CUPS update that Apple is now owning. When I read the instructions it is not an easy install. What is the long term outlook here? should we use this printer driver or not. What is the downside?

aehaas

Art Vandelay · Aug 20, 2007, 11:05 AM

Mac OS X has been using CUPS since 10.2.

aehaas · Aug 20, 2007, 11:32 AM

If you download the updates they say that the interface will change. It is not a simple install either, there are many steps. The interface is said to change from the basic 10.4 interface.

aehaas

Brass · Aug 20, 2007, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by aehaas

If you download the updates they say that the interface will change. It is not a simple install either, there are many steps. The interface is said to change from the basic 10.4 interface.

aehaas

It might be useful to point us to the source of your information so that we can understand its relevance and meaning for ourselves.

aehaas · Aug 20, 2007, 06:35 PM

Here is the update page from this past Saturday's Version Tracker. Download the item and read the Read Me file.

CUPS 1.3.0 - Mac OS X - VersionTracker

aehaas

besson3c · Aug 20, 2007, 06:38 PM

aehaas: are you talking about the Unix source code?

Art Vandelay · 07:16 PM

It's probably the version that's in Leopard. It would explain why it isn't compatible with Tiger. I wouldn't bother messing around with it.

aehaas · Aug 20, 2007, 07:15 PM

One reason I am interested in this print mechanism is because of QuarkXPress. Version 7.0.0 works with all Xerox printers. Ever since then, up to 7.3, Quark cannot print to many Xerox printers. It is a big topic in the Quark forums. No other programs have trouble printing, only Quark. As usual, the two companies blame each other.

Anyway, I was hoping the CUPS printer mechanism would allow for Quark to print. I downloaded CUPS 1.3. It does not have an installer as all other programs. It is not intuitive and i do not want to risk other problems.

aehaas

Brass · Aug 20, 2007, 07:27 PM

Sheesh, do NOT install that. Did you read the comments and notes? It specifically says that it will break the GUI printing components in Mac OS X. It appears to be specifically for people wanting to update CUPS for Darwin (unix) use.

You can be sure that Leopard will include the update, with all the GUI working correctly.

So to answer your original question. 10.5 WILL run CUPS printing, as does 10.4, 10.3 & 10.2. It will likely use a more recent version than 10.4. It will be included as part of the OS, and you will not have to install anything (apart from the OS itself).

besson3c · Aug 20, 2007, 09:41 PM

Unless Steve Jobs decides that people don't need to print anymore for the same reason iMovie users don't need a timeline

JKT · Aug 21, 2007, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by aehaas

One reason I am interested in this print mechanism is because of QuarkXPress. Version 7.0.0 works with all Xerox printers. Ever since then, up to 7.3, Quark cannot print to many Xerox printers. It is a big topic in the Quark forums. No other programs have trouble printing, only Quark. As usual, the two companies blame each other.

CUPS is already a part of the OS, so have you tried using one of the printer drivers from CUPS that is already available to you in 10.4?

OreoCookie · Aug 21, 2007, 03:49 AM

Apple has bought CUPS this April, I think. You bet, they'll continue to base their printing system on it.

aehaas · Aug 21, 2007, 06:14 AM

"CUPS is already a part of the OS, so have you tried using one of the printer drivers from CUPS that is already available to you in 10.4?"

'Not sure what these are. Quark recommends using a generic driver as a work around. But then you lose features of the printer such as expanded borders, 2-sided printing and others.

aehaas

besson3c · Aug 21, 2007, 08:21 AM

aehaas: if you installed the GIMP Print drivers off of the 10.4 install CD, you'll have some additional drivers you can choose from to associate with your printer which you can try. This is what JKT means, I believe.

BTW guys, GIMP Print is now called "Gutenprint".

OreoCookie · Aug 21, 2007, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by aehaas

"CUPS is already a part of the OS, so have you tried using one of the printer drivers from CUPS that is already available to you in 10.4?"

I'm not quite sure what this guy is trying to say: no matter what printer/print driver you use, it'll use CUPS.

Originally Posted by aehaas

'Not sure what these are. Quark recommends using a generic driver as a work around. But then you lose features of the printer such as expanded borders, 2-sided printing and others.

aehaas

Well, honestly, I think the fault lies with Quark and not with CUPS … so to say that you hope `the CUPS printer mechanism would allow for Quark to print' is pointing in the wrong direction. This thread in Quark's own forum points the finger not at Apple, but at the manufacturer of printers as well. Although I find it a bit suspicious that all apps with the exception of Quark allow people to print. I'd wait for an update of Quark and not for an update of CUPS.

aehaas · Aug 21, 2007, 02:57 PM

Quark has had numerous updates since the release of 7.0.0. Only the original program still works on my 6300 Phaser Xerox printer. I never upgraded this one computer as I use Quark the most from this machine. All other computers have incrementally been upgraded to 7.3 over time. IN all cases all programs have worked without incident except for Quark that simply cannot print. I have to export as PDF, then print. It is not a big problem on the other stations, just an inconvenience.

aehaas

JKT · Aug 21, 2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

I'm not quite sure what this guy is trying to say: no matter what printer/print driver you use, it'll use CUPS.

My bad, I posted in haste as I was on my way out to work - I meant the Gimp/Gutenprint drivers that are available for use with CUPS as besson3c stated.

GutenPrint 5.1.3 - MacUpdate