[wpc33]

tried cloning my 80GB 5G about 74GB full to a partition about 83GB large.

-SuperDuper & Disk Utility stalled at less than a MB copy speeds. 10 hours on SD, and nowheresvile
-TuneTech doesn't work on video iPods
-CarbonCopyCloner stalls in the same way as the first two.
What is the matter? The destination volume is formatted as MacOSExtended(Journaled).

Please help. I have to clone my iPod before a repair
Thank you

PS not running iTunes or any other app when I do this, and drives verify.

has anybody ever tried this? Aside from ripping the tunes seperately? I want to have a backup clone or image to sync to regularly

[adamfishercox]

Would you like to not post 3 copies of this, two of them in unrelated forums?

[wpc33]

I'm not trying to flood. I'm just desperate, and I was sure these forums were related...

[Cold Warrior]

why cloning? why not just copy the data as files and folders? Given your urgency, a workaround seems logical.

[adamfishercox]

By unrelated, I meant your post has little to do with Applications or Mac OS X. Anyway, as Cold Warrior said, just copy the data with a drag and a drop.

[Sherman Homan]

You already have the system install disks, so you don't need to clone your drive to your iPod. It isn't going to function as a boot drive and the amount of data used for the OS is pretty much wasted. As noted above, just drag your stuff and drop it.

[wpc33]

Good suggestion or so it seems

Drag and drop what...the folders in Finder?
The only visible, draggable folders on iPod are not music or video.
Could you please elaborate?

EDIT: I tried copy/pasting the volume in Finder and even though info>ownership&permissions was in my favour, I can't paste it.

DOUBLE EDIT: I am not trying to put things ON the iPod. I'm trying to backup my iPod. Please read my original post.
Thanks anyways.

Disk Utility takes 36 hours to copy 75GB. That sounds like a problem to me

[Cold Warrior]

Originally Posted by wpc33 

DOUBLE EDIT: I am not trying to put things ON the iPod. I'm trying to backup my iPod.

I know.
Try this app: YamiPod 1.7b1 - MacUpdate

[Art Vandelay]

Why do you need to back up our iTunes content on your iPod when you already have the originals in iTunes?

As for the slow access speeds, you might want to run Disk First Aid on the iPod to see if you have any errors. It shouldn't be that slow unless you're plugging into a USB 1 port. You are connecting to a USB 2 port, correct?

[wpc33]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

I know.
Try this app: YamiPod 1.7b1 - MacUpdate

that doesn't work with 5G iPods, but thanks anyways

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay 

Why do you need to back up our iTunes content on your iPod when you already have the originals in iTunes?
You are connecting to a USB 2 port, correct?

i should've mentioned that I have 500GB in iTunes, 50% AIFF, and only 80GB to roll with on the iPod. I did alot of reencoding and selective manual adding to get the iPod where it is now. I lost it last year and it took me a week to get it back. That's the problem with autosync for me.
PS yes I'm on USB 2.0

[Art Vandelay]

Ok, that makes sense.

Definitely run Disk First Aid on it. It's just a hard drive with files on it. There's no reason why Disk Utility shouldn't be able to restore it at full speed unless there's a problem with it.

[wpc33]

I ran first aid and everything's cool. Good idea, but I'm still speechless

It just boils down to, is the iPod supposed to transfer at 1MBps because it's an ipod and not a good sata drive?

Oh, BTW, senuti rips at the same slow speed for me. Is it that slow for you? I ripped a 53MB mp3 and it took about a minute. Similar math as my aborted cloning attempts

[Art Vandelay]

I just did a test with my iPod. I was getting about 10-15 MBps over USB2. I get slightly higher speeds when using Firewire.

Are you sure you're on a USB 2 port? And that there are no other devices connected, such as a USB 1 device?

[wpc33]

Thanks for testing!

I have 2 USB 2.0 ports, one has the iPod, the other the keyboard/mouse. One Firewire port with a drive, but I get the same speeds if I rip to the FWD or the home desktop.

[Art Vandelay]

Is it just Senuti that's giving you slow speeds? It is beta and not just doing a file copy but processing the iTunesDB on the iPod too.

My test was with a Finder copy.

[wpc33]

How do you do a finder copy? I only can view the nearly empty folders of calendars, contacts, notes & photos. Not music or video.

With your help I now know that it isn't a software issue as I've tried everything in the book. It's a up/down iPod speed issue. Do you think I should start a speed improvement thread in the iPod forum?

my USB dock connector cable works fine except for this speed mess. Could it be the cord even though it works slowly?

[Art Vandelay]

I'd just use Disk Utility to clone it to an image or partition. Alternatively, you could use a utility to make the hidden iPod folders visible and use the Finder to back them up.

If you clone it, I'd guesstimate that it will take about an hour, assuming it's running at normal speeds.

[Art Vandelay]

Also, check System Profiler to make sure it's showing up as a high speed USB device.

[wpc33]

I managed to copy a music file to the desktop using PathFinder...

480kbps

[wpc33]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay 

I'd just use Disk Utility to clone it to an image or partition.
If you clone it, I'd guesstimate that it will take about an hour, assuming it's running at normal speeds.

I did disk utility first up and let it run for 10 hours and it got almost nowhere. These speeds are regardless of the software, I have learned


from System profiler:

USB High-Speed Bus:

Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBEHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x00e0
PCI Revision ID: 0x0004
PCI Vendor ID: 0x1033
Bus Number: 0x5b

iPod:

Capacity: 74.53 GB
Removable Media: Yes
Detachable Drive: Yes
BSD Name: disk2
Version: 0.02
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec

and yet I get 480 Kb/sec
okay, I'm scared now

[Art Vandelay]

Another possibility is that it's highly fragmented since it's almost full.

Just bite the bullet and start cloning it and let it go until it's finished. If it's slow, it's slow. Not much you can do about it right now if you want a backup of your music.

Btw, what's getting repaired on it? Something related to its slowness?

[Art Vandelay]

Also, make sure you're erasing the destination in Disk Utility so it will do a block copy which is much, much faster than a file copy. Then it won't matter if there's fragmentation or not.

[wpc33]

thanks man. I guess I might just have to try to slug through it, but something's wrong and I'd like to fix it.
It's going in for a headphone jack...maybe some freakin' usb issues too!

I did do a block copy, but still the same

[Art Vandelay]

I'd mention this to them. iPods are not that slow. I use mine as a hard drive quite frequently and have never experienced any slowness like you're describing.

[Art Vandelay]

Something you can try as an experiment when you've got your backup done...

Do a software restore on the iPod and try copying something to it and back off of it. See if the transfer speeds have changed. If not, then that's something you can also mention when it gets repaired since that might be their first suggestion to fix it.

[Art Vandelay]

Btw, stop going back and changing your previous posts. I'd rather not have to reread the entire thread to see if you've said something new.

[wpc33]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay 

Something you can try as an experiment when you've got your backup done...

Do a software restore on the iPod and try copying something to it and back off of it. See if the transfer speeds have changed. If not, then that's something you can also mention when it gets repaired since that might be there first suggestion to fix it.

Totally! I was thinking the same thing. I'm just scared that it may not fix itself that way but I have to try.

[Art Vandelay]

How old is it? Still under warranty?

[wpc33]

It's still under warranty from Apple, but they state that drives may be erased and should be backed-up

[Art Vandelay]

Great that it's under warranty. They should be able to run diagnostics on it and determine if there is a problem with it. Definitely sounds like there is.