[Cadaver]

From the Apple website:

Front Row requires a Mac with built-in IR and an Apple Remote.

Apple - Mac OS X Leopard - Technical Specs

Guess that rules out the Mac Pro and PowerMac machines.

[wr11]

Front row works fine with keyboards and bluetooth devices and still Apple requires IR receivers.

[Art Vandelay]

You can still use the keyboard but it kind of defeats the purpose of Front Row unless you have a wireless keyboard.

[Cadaver]

Yes, but will it install on computers without an IR port? Without going through a hack or two, it wont with Tiger. And there's no statement to either effect on Apple's website regarding Leopard's Front Row.

[Art Vandelay]

It has on the developer seeds.

[lpkmckenna]

I'll bet that's an error. FrontRow will be available to everyone, not just Macs with IR sensors.

[awaspaas]

That's no different from now - only the Macs with built in IR sensors have Front Row in 10.4, correct? It's un-Apple like to require a 3rd-party IR receiver or the keyboard, so they disable it I guess.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally Posted by awaspaas 

That's no different from now - only the Macs with built in IR sensors have Front Row in 10.4, correct? It's un-Apple like to require a 3rd-party IR receiver or the keyboard, so they disable it I guess.

That's a bunch of baloney. I bought Miglia and eyeTV...it's got a remote that I use mainly with eyeTV but it *could* double as a Front Row remote. If Front Row is disabled on Macs without IR built-in then Steve Jobs has lied to us once again. Steve said the 'whole kit' was coming to Leopard. And he clearly said Front Row was part of that 'whole kit'. Why would he mention it at all if *all* Macs with IR already have Front Row? Was he scared that people would think that Leopard would suddenly remove FR from computers with IR?

The latest Leopard dev seed still had Front Row support via cmd-esc for computers without IR. But who knows...maybe Apple found it in its black heart to remove this feature on Macs without IR.

[quid]

Originally Posted by Cadaver 

From the Apple website:

Front Row requires a Mac with built-in IR and an Apple Remote.

Apple - Mac OS X Leopard - Technical Specs

Guess that rules out the Mac Pro and PowerMac machines.

Press command escape, voila. It was always in Tiger even on my college's G5 PowerMacs

[goMac]

It'll work. I just don't think Apple wants to deal with people trying to get an Apple Remote working with their Mac Pro, so it's better just to say it doesn't run.

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by quid 

Press command escape, voila. It was always in Tiger even on my college's G5 PowerMacs

Not without a hack it doesn't.

[adamfishercox]

They poorly worded it. I think what that means is that you need the built in Remote and IR port to use the remote, a remote won't come with the OS. Front Row will still work via the keyboard and as a standalone application now.

[.Neo]

Jobs already told us during the keynote that there will be only one Mac OS X Leopard version that comes with all the applications. No special Mac-specific bundels with or without Front Row and Photo Booth.

In the latest betas Front Row 2.0 is accessible by hitting cmd + escape. Even on Macs without a IR receiver.

[quid]

Originally Posted by Cadaver 

Not without a hack it doesn't.

That is funny because the only 3rd party stuff on those Macs are design software. other than that, they are a clean as the day they were first booted up. There are no hacks on them and Front Row always starts up with cmd-esc, even with no IR

[Art Vandelay]

The hack that's being referred to is getting Front Row on PowerMacs. You can not install Front Row using Apple's installer on any Mac that does not come with an Apple Remote without using a 3rd party program first.

[Chuckit]

Quid is right. I just tried it on a newly installed, unhacked Mac mini.

[Art Vandelay]

Which Mac mini? G4 or Intel?

[Chuckit]

Intel. I don't think the PPC ones had Front Row, did they?

[Art Vandelay]

I just downloaded Front Row 1.3.1 from apple.com and tried installing it on an iMac G5. It does not have an IR port nor Apple Remote.

The installer immediately gave this error upon opening it:

This software requires a Macintosh with a built-in infrared (IR) receiver running Mac OS X 10.4.5 or later.

It's running 10.4.10 btw.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Intel. I don't think the PPC ones had Front Row, did they?

Of course it works. It came with Front Row.

I think you're misunderstanding quid. quid said that it works without hacks on PowerMacs.

[adamfishercox]

The Front Row now requires IR, but it won't in Leopard.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay 

Of course it works. It came with Front Row.

I think you're misunderstanding quid. quid said that it works without hacks on PowerMacs.

Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood the discussion. Never mind me.

[imitchellg5]

Since Front Row is now a separate application, there should be no reason why it won't work without IR.

[.Neo]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

Since Front Row is now a separate application, there should be no reason why it won't work without IR.

It has always been a separate application.

From what I understand the Front Row.app file in /Applications is just a trigger (like the Dashboard, Spaces, Time Machine and Exposé ones). It doesn't hold the actual program.

[imitchellg5]

True, but you haven't been able to run it like its own application. Now you can from the Applications folder, so it shouldn't matter if you have IR or not. You can run a Bluetooth specific app without having Bluetooth.