[jeff k]

Just new to snow leopard.
Apple Mac tech says for hardrives you need to have "everyone" in permission.
I see my name, everyone, and unknown.
What I don't understand is my name can be deleted, but unkown is grayed out.
He did not even say one needs to have "unknown"
Why is there an "unkown user on this drive, and why can't I delete it? thanks.

[jeff k]

PS
if I can piggy back on my own thread -- with new imac keybaord and snow leopard, how go to home and end, now that that is gone from new keyboards? on laptop fn key with side arrow did the trick. now with this keyboard.

[besson3c]

What are you hoping to accomplish here? You shouldn't start playing around with your permissions without knowing what you are doing. The defaults should be fine.

The unknown user can be caused by files set to be owned by a UID or GID that doesn't exist on the system. If you have migrated these files from another computer or something you can see this. This is harmless, especially if it isn't causing a problem (you haven't indicated there being an actual problem).

Control A will move your cursor to the beginning of the line in many apps, and control E will move to the end.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by jeff k 

... with new imac keyboard and snow leopard, how go to home and end, now that that is gone from new keyboards?

Apple sometimes goes through phases, where they try to forcibly standardize ideas that are not going to catch on. Like ADC, or mini keyboards. The answer is to order your iMac with the full keyboard, with numeric keypad. Or use a keyboard from a previous Mac, or buy a 3rd party keyboard. If you need the extra keys, don't just live with a handicapped keyboard.

Originally Posted by jeff k 

Just new to snow leopard.
Apple Mac tech says for hardrives you need to have "everyone" in permission.

Like besson3c says, don't fiddle with your permissions unless there is a clear need to. It is useful on external/secondary drives to check the box to "ignore permissions on this drive". Otherwise, don't change them without a reason.

[AKcrab]

Cmd-left or right arrow takes you to the end or beginning of a line, while opt-left or right arrow moves the cursor a word at a time.

Was that what you were looking for, or are you looking to go from the top of a page to the bottom of a page (like in safari)?

[CharlesS]

Since he’s using Fn-arrows, he’s clearly looking for real Home/End functionality — i.e. jumping to the beginning and end of a document, not a line.

I’m quite surprised that Fn-arrows wouldn’t work for that on the new iMac keyboards, given that it works fine on my MBP’s keyboard. What a situation when the desktop keyboard has been emasculated so badly that the laptop keyboards are actually superior.

[AKcrab]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Since he’s using Fn-arrows, he’s clearly looking for real Home/End functionality — i.e. jumping to the beginning and end of a document, not a line.

It was his statement about "fn with side arrow" that made me wonder..

[besson3c]

apple + up arrow and apple + down arrow will reproduce beginning/end document.

[CharlesS]

“apple”? What’s this “apple” key? The keyboard the OP is using has no key with an apple on it.

(hint: that should be command + up/down arrow, or ⌘↑ and ⌘↓ if you prefer)

[besson3c]

I keep calling it the Apple key cause that's what it used to be called in the past, right? What else is it called now, other than command?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

What else is it called now, other than command?

The key

-t

[jeff k]

besson, got it thanks, apple up/down.
Does Apple officially make a larger keyboard for the imac?
I could get the G5 one, but then how do I see it without a keyboard?
Did they use to have an apple icon on that key?

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

I keep calling it the Apple key cause that's what it used to be called in the past, right?

Nope, it was always called command. The original Macintosh keyboard looked like this and did not have the Apple symbol.



They added the Apple logo to the command key, next to the command “⌘” symbol, with the ADB keyboards, IIRC. I think the reason for this is because the Apple IIgs also used ADB, and therefore a Mac ADB keyboard could conceivably be connected to an Apple IIgs machine, where that key was the Apple key. But on the Mac, it was always called “command”, and to call it anything else was incorrect. Apple left the Apple logo on the key for a long time, since “apple” was what a number of people had unfortunately started thinking of that key as, but it looks as if they’ve finally decided to start weaning people from that incorrect terminology with the latest batch of keyboards.

What else is it called now, other than command?

What else is the shift key called, other than shift? The command key is called command and nothing else.

Originally Posted by jeff k 

besson, got it thanks, apple up/down.
Does Apple officially make a larger keyboard for the imac?
I could get the G5 one, but then how do I see it without a keyboard?

You could get the full-size Apple keyboard, which looks like this:



Or, if you prefer, you could get a third-party keyboard. Logitech and MacAlly make some Mac-specific keyboards that are supposed to be pretty good.

[ibook_steve]

Something is missing here. I seem to recall an "open-Apple" key and a "closed-Apple" key on the Apple II at some point.

And Wikipedia confirms: Command key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steve

[jeff k]

Hey guys, (Charles S) thanks for tip. I was going to sell the keyboard of G5, but now the ad will say keyboard not included.
Funny, I was doing ok with the imac keyboard -- I thought -- until I went back to the old G5 one -- it's like a hundred times better.
Who wants to deal with the fn key, and worry about deleting forward?

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by ibook_steve 

Something is missing here. I seem to recall an "open-Apple" key and a "closed-Apple" key on the Apple II at some point.

And Wikipedia confirms: Command key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steve

I think those were on the older Apple IIe. The IIgs didn’t have a closed-Apple key as far as I know. The key got axed because no one ever used it.

[reader50]

My IIGS keyboard does lack the solid-apple key - it became the option key.

[P]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Originally Posted by besson3c

I keep calling it the Apple key cause that's what it used to be called in the past, right?

Nope, it was always called command.

I have an old manual for the Macintosh SE where the key is referred to as the Apple key, "previously known as the command key". It started as the command key, Apple tried to change to the Apple key, and then eventually gave up and returned the old terminology (after Jobs returned - he was the one who went apeshit over too many apples on the screen which lead to the command key in the first place).

[Hal Itosis]

Originally Posted by P 

(after Jobs returned - he was the one who went apeshit over too many apples on the screen which lead to the command key in the first place).

I agree with that thinking. The main purpose of that key is to run commands (although — as a modifier — it does have other uses). Whatever/whenever the term "Apple" key was used is not as important as that we herewith stop doing so and stick with the *command* term.

Command Key Truth and Fiction
More on the History of Apple's Command Key
Symbol 25:18
Symbol 32:20

[Hal Itosis]

Originally Posted by jeff k 

I see my name, everyone, and unknown.
What I don't understand is my name can be deleted, but unkown is grayed out.
He did not even say one needs to have "unknown"
Why is there an "unkown user on this drive, and why can't I delete it? thanks.

Does "unknown" have one head or two heads?

[as besson3c indicated, it's probably some user or group that's missing from the current directory services node.]

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by P 

I have an old manual for the Macintosh SE where the key is referred to as the Apple key, "previously known as the command key". It started as the command key, Apple tried to change to the Apple key, and then eventually gave up and returned the old terminology (after Jobs returned - he was the one who went apeshit over too many apples on the screen which lead to the command key in the first place).

Huh, I hadn’t heard about that. At any rate, though, that was short-lived — unfortunately, there’s no PDF for the SE manual online that I can find, but the earliest manual on Apple’s site that appears to be an actual scan of the manual is the manual for the LC 520, and it refers to the command key and not the Apple key "You can also choose Eject CD from the File menu or press Command-E to eject a disc.” I did find the service manual for the SE/30, which also refers to Command-Option-P-R to reset the PRAM, and not Apple-Option-P-R. This is all well before Jobs returned. It’s also worth mentioning that in the OS, the ⌘ symbol in the menu bar never changed to an apple at any point — it was always the command cloverleaf symbol. If the excerpt you mentioned does appear in the SE user manual, my guess would be that it was an aberration, similar to the way Apple’s developer documentation for PackageMaker claimed a while ago that packages were the preferred method of distributing software, not drag-and-drop installs, which conflicted with other documentation found elsewhere on Apple’s site that was not written by the installer team.

[Big Mac]

From the earliest point of the Mac's development it was officially called the Command key and noy the Apple key. That's what some people informally refer to it as, and perhaps for a brief period Apple renamed it, but it's definitely the Command key. I'm pretty sure the story about the key and the selection of the "clover" symbol (which is supposed to be an international symbol for command) can be found on folklore.org.

[jeff k]

Guys, curious: any of you use macfixit.com? it was bought. Still miss some of those guys over there, but new site is not too good correct?

[Hal Itosis]

Originally Posted by jeff k 

Guys, curious: any of you use macfixit.com? it was bought. Still miss some of those guys over there, but new site is not too good correct?

I think some of the... um, old "regulars" wandered over to FineTunedMac.

[P]

Are you saying that I might have MISREMEMBERED something from 20+ years ago? Are you going to make me go find that manual?

No, I'm not going to do so now, but I might when I visit my parents over Christmas. I remember because I thought it was excessively silly.

Command is a much better name for the key, as the key sends commands to the front app (usually). If it worked like the Windows key does on that side of the fence - sending commands that are common wherever you are in the OS - Apple key would have made more sense.

[jeff k]

Thanks hal!

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

I think those were on the older Apple IIe. The IIgs didn’t have a closed-Apple key as far as I know. The key got axed because no one ever used it.

Nope, the key didn't get axed. It just got renamed to Option. And some programs did use it.

[CharlesS]

Huh, you’re right. I thought I remembered the IIe having both the closed-apple and the option key. I guess not.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Huh, you’re right. I thought I remembered the IIe having both the closed-apple and the option key. I guess not.

The original IIe had the Open Apple and Closed (or Solid) Apple keys, as did the original Apple IIc. When the IIgs came out, the Closed Apple key turned into Option (or more accurately, pressing the option key on the IIgs produced the same result as pressing Closed Apple on the earlier machines).

When the Platinum IIe revision came out, the keyboard gained a numeric keypad and the main keyboard layout was changed to match the IIgs. Closed Apple was moved next to Open Apple and renamed option. On the Apple IIc plus Closed Apple also changed to Option.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Aqeel1 

Thanks for the informative post.. and thanks for adding our comment to the thread.

Person Man's alter ego, revealed!!

[reader50]

It was a signature spammer. Dodo post text designed to fit in, sig with three phone-accessories links. We nail a few of these guys every week. Pakistan this time.

[besson3c]

I know... I wish you guys would just take out their spam links and leave their comments. It's almost always completely obvious that they are spam, but they are usually pretty funny