someone here looked for putting the dock vertically ?

well i use * TinkerTool * for this , its really nice to have the dock
on the left . the genie effects works ok , and the apps bounces to the right on launch .
but no magnification .

Nissan.

[mustiman]

Originally posted by sprynmr:
He belives they might be much higher now, and even into the L's.

"believes"???..wait a minute. Isn't the guy in question an Apple engineer?

Why should I believe you? You are telling me everything I've already known, experienced, tested, read and seen, and I am not the only one, I think...

[sprynmr]

I don't care if you believe me or not. Doesn't matter much to me. Just felt like sharing my excitement on what I learned. I figured some of that stuff you guys might have already known, (such as being able to put absolutely anything into the shelf). There were 3 apple guys there total. 2 were Apple Educational Reps, and the 3rd was some sort of apple engineer, or at least that is what I was led to believe. I never said he was an OS X engineer, because then he would obviously know a LOT more.

Anyway, I do know that he will be involved in an intense work week on OS X next week. This will probably consist of a bunch of apple employees seeing a close-to-final build and giving their response. This is why he asked for our responses, so he could send them through to the highest level next week.

But you might want to take everything I say with a grain of salt, I mean, I AM a COLLEGE STUDENT for godsake. We are always stirring up trouble

Anyway, as far as I know everything I said was true. That's as far as I know, not THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE TRUTH SO HELP ME GOD. Because just like with everything apple does, it's kept secretive from even most of their own employees. That's why my info said "The internal apple rumors are..." about the doc. If he was working straight on OS X everyday, he would know exactly. (And besides, I doubt they give that team bathroom breaks, let alone giving them time to go show off the latest build to nobody's like me. I wouldn't be suprised if Old Stevo actually had those guys hooked up to Catheters.)

So ya know, believe it, or not. I don't care. It's all just fun to try to figure out before the 24th, then it's reality. Exciting reality though.

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[This message has been edited by sprynmr (edited 02-24-2001).]

The gov't ain't all Windows "Captain." I use Compaq Tru64, Windows via Citrix , and OS 9 via my Blue and White. Most scientists at NIH, including the Human Genome Project use Macs. Hundreds of Ti books are on their way already. Windows makes sense for the military; planes that crash, helicopters that crash, servers that crash, boats that need to be re-booted, dells getting re-booted... gotta love that foresight.

[krove]

Originally posted by NIH mac heavy:
The gov't ain't all Windows "Captain." I use Compaq Tru64, Windows via Citrix , and OS 9 via my Blue and White. Most scientists at NIH, including the Human Genome Project use Macs. Hundreds of Ti books are on their way already. Windows makes sense for the military; planes that crash, helicopters that crash, servers that crash, boats that need to be re-booted, dells getting re-booted... gotta love that foresight.

Excellent....

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My father worked for NASA for 30+ years and they have a significant number of mac's. (He worked in the aeronautical field - not space)

Originally posted by gsfprez:
Okay.. i'm going to go nuts.
...
The government is going 100 Windows. Period. They are fleeing Solaris and HP Unix and VMS (thank goodness) with all possible speed.
...
the govt. sees $1200 dell computers and buys them by the shipload... and that's all they are ever going to buy. And the only servers they are going to buy a Windows 2000 servers and that is all they are ever going to buy. And they are going to run on Exchange and that is all they are ever going to buy. And they are moving to Active Directory and they are unifying each service under a single <service.mil> nomenclature.

And 15 years ago the U.S. government was going to be 100% Ada, and use 100% ISO protocols (X.25, TP4, etc....). It never happened, and it never will. There are specialized tools in every field, and computers are no exception. And market forces are much stronger than U.S. government dicatates. This will always be the case. At least now they tend to be smarter about following trends, and just trying to lightly steer some of them that need steering, rather than dictating all directions.

The fact that government desktops are 90% Windows is only reflecting the market reality that Windows commands 90% of all desktops in the greater market. But don't doubt for a second that those other 10% are going away. Also, don't doubt that really interesting things are happening in that 10% space that could over time shift those percentages dramatically.


Just look up the stories last year about the Navy (or was it AirForce?) switching many of their web servers over to Macs because they were easier to make secure and less prone to scripted attacks.

[sprynmr]

Originally posted by SeenThis:

Just look up the stories last year about the Navy (or was it AirForce?) switching many of their web servers over to Macs because they were easier to make secure and less prone to scripted attacks.

Ahhhhh, that's what I was trying to remember.

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[dtriska]

It was the Army: http://www.dtic.mil/armylink/news/Se...901hacker.html

Yes, the Army has Macs running OS8+ and Webstar for webservers. OSX is a different story--not as secure.

[Ghoser777]

Originally posted by ugh:
OSX is a different story--not as secure.

Excuse me? Huh? Why? Please explain.

F-bacher

[Milio]

Originally posted by Ghoser777:
Excuse me? Huh? Why? Please explain.

F-bacher

Because the old MacOS had no internet sockets that people could take advantage of. No doors.

The new OS X will be full of doors. The question will become, "how good are the locks?"

[gorgonzola]

As Millenium has said before, the former MacOS's so-called security actually derives from a flaw in the operating system -- no remote management.

Under Mac OS X, you can do work on your machine from anywhere in the world via an SSH connection, through VNC (once a server becomes available), or download files via FTP. The old Mac had no such remote internet servers.

Once you get this functionality, you lose some security, but since Unix itself is a very secure OS (not more secure than the former MacOS, but it can't be), and hopefully Apple will itself implement some very good locks to their now open doors.

There've been reports around the internet about Apple investigating privacy software, encryption, kerberos, alternative authentication, etc, so it's obvious they're thinking about this. Just hope they pull it off.

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[Millennium]

It should also be noted that if you completely disable the remote management features of OSX and don't run any servers, you're as secure as MacOS, and for the same reason (if there's no way for even legitimate users to get in, certainly The Bad Guy won't be able to).

It does, however, mean that you can't run FTP or Websharing, no SSH or Telnet (not that you should be using Telnet anyway), no remote hosting should that someday make its way into MacOS (it's quite possible, seeing as CoreGraphics appears to have some capability for this), and above all no Sendmail (could be a problem for some, though most don't really need it anyway; it's not needed to send e-mail messages unless you can't access your ISP's SMTP servers for some reason).

Then again, most users would probably fit this bill. Apple needs to provide an ability "Install With No Servers" which turns all of the servers off by default. That leaves the user with no way to log in remotely (then again, anyone installing with no servers is not likely to want to do this anyway) but with an installation which, for what it does, is secure.

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by NIH mac heavy:
Windows makes sense for the military; planes that crash, helicopters that crash, servers that crash, boats that need to be re-booted, dells getting re-booted... gotta love that foresight.

Why MS shouldn't be used in the government, and also why MS new strategy ain't going to work!



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[Milio]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
As Millenium has said before, the former MacOS's so-called security actually derives from a flaw in the operating system -- no remote management.

It's not a flaw. It's a difference of the fundamental design. It would only be a flaw if they tried and failed.

There've been reports around the internet about Apple investigating privacy software, encryption, kerberos, alternative authentication, etc, so it's obvious they're thinking about this. Just hope they pull it off.

Kerberos has been part of OS X from the beginning.

The idea that unix is secure is a bit of an illusion. As my old server friend told me, "as soon as you put in a door, you invite people to come in". Unix is built out of doors.

[Millennium]

It's not a flaw. It's a difference of the fundamental design. It would only be a flaw if they tried and failed.

(in reference to the lack of remote management for MacOS)

I disagree. The Mac was arguably the first personal computer and OS designed for networking, with AppleTalk built in since the beginning. Remote management goes along with any networked operating system, and the lack of it is a flaw.

The idea that unix is secure is a bit of an illusion. As my old server friend told me, "as soon as you put in a door, you invite people to come in". Unix is built out of doors.

The door analogy is interesting, but your conclusion doesn't hold. Unix is not, in fact, "built out of doors" as you claim. It does make it easy to add doors, but they can be taken away just as easily. Shut off a server, and not only have you removed the door, you've bricked over it. Shut them all off, and you have all the "security" of MacOS, for the same reason MacOS has it: if there are no doors, no one -good or bad- can get in.

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by Milio:
Kerberos has been part of OS X from the beginning.

The idea that unix is secure is a bit of an illusion. As my old server friend told me, "as soon as you put in a door, you invite people to come in". Unix is built out of doors.

(1) Call it anything you want. It's something that it can't do and that everything else can.

(2) Yes, Kerberos has, but alternative authentication, encryption, this other privacy thing, etc has not. Why not mention Kerberos since they seem to be placing a greater emphasis on it?

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[Milio]

Originally posted by Millennium:

I disagree. The Mac was arguably the first personal computer and OS designed for networking, with AppleTalk built in since the beginning. Remote management goes along with any networked operating system, and the lack of it is a flaw.

Remote management is a feature, not a requirement. In your model of how a networked operating system should be, it includes remote management. But that is not the only model possible. The Mac proved that for 16 years. And for people like you, tools like Timbuktu were available to make up the difference. But remote management wasn't neccessary for millions of people to use their Macs productively on a network.


[This message has been edited by Milio (edited 02-25-2001).]

Just my 2¢: the US government is far too big and complex to be homogenous with regard to its computer platform, not to mention anything else. So many organizations comprise the government with a fair degree of autonomy from one another that it is pretty much impossible to say the government is Windows NT or FreeBSD or MacOS. If anything, today's network protocols make more hereogeneous end-user systems more viable.

[JBL]

gsfprez says:

"if you doubt it, call any AF base, any govt. agency, and ask the person who picked up the phone - "What kind of computer are you on?"

"if you hear anything other than windows, i'll give you $10."

I'll take your $10. Please send a check to:
Joel Lachter
MS 262-4
NASA, Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035

If anyone else want to get $10 out of gsfprez, try calling just about any number at NASA - Ames Research Center (that would be anything starting 650-604-xxxx). Okay I guess I can't speak for the entire base. However there are not very many windows machines in our building (Human Factors... code IH). It is probably 50% Macs and the rest split between Unix/Linix and Windows. Just Friday, our group got 2 more G4s. When I go to personel, all a see are Macs. I would guess that some divisions are mostly Windows but I have yet to run across one.

Ditto with the $10. I do contract work for the NSA and NRO and many of the people work on Sparcs. They are preferred because they don't require as much attention as the Wintel machines and are more useful for the type of work done. All the code crunching and simulations we run are also done on Sun machines. There are some G4s popping up also to crunch through massive RF simulations, which require matrix manipulation (something that the G4 seems to excel at). Wintel machines are pretty much used for basic business apps.

Chinacat

[fulmer]

Wow. NRO and NSA? You're into some heavy-duty stuff there.

for those of you out there that don't know what the NRO is, this agency deals with our (the US's) galaxy of recon satellites and some other what-not. Wanna read the license plate of a car in Dubai while drinking coffee at your desk in NY? Call the NRO and they'll hook you up.

Glad to see the professionals know what it takes to get the job done and won't use inferior equipment (meaning Windows).

[Scott_H]

Moffett Field

off topic

My father used to fly out of Moffett. VP-40 Super cool hangers. I remember the NASA building there, just barely.

[zpincus]

Those hangers (right down the road from me) are cool.

IIRC, two are old blimp hangers (wierd and rounded, like huge, stretched out quonset huts) and one is really Ames' wind tunnel, the largest around. But the guys at Ames probably know better than I.

Zach

PS. When Clinton would fly in to visit, they'd park air force one (gorgeous airplane, app blue and gold and white) out in front of those hangers, all lit up like. A really cool sight.

[Scott_H]

Yea. Of course my father squadron used them. Used to go there on the weekends with him when he needed to get work done. He once got a picture of a Russian sub with a sailor on deck giving him the finger.

anyway, back on topic, sorry members

[sniffer]

When talking secure systems.. I just remembered that I have heard that the Russian systems, in banks, guverments, army, and so on, is perhaps the most secure system in the hole world. Why? Because it's all based on its own designed computer systems and networks from the coold war. No IBM or Mac competible computers around there! LoL.
I know that many still are stuck with 3.11 and old pentiums over there..
Something to think about, isn't it?

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[Spirit_VW]

FYI, the two blimp hangars at Moffett weren't really for "blimps" at all, but for Zeppelins. The Navy's USS Akron and USS Macon rigid airships were stationed there IIRC. They were actually pretty cool -- they could launch and recover aircraft in flight.

[CharlesS]

They must have one heck of a big coatrack for all those hangers...

Seriously, there's a big advantage of having remote login. If Grandma has a problem with her computer, you can just tell her how to turn the server on, and you can log in and fix it remotely. No need to go over there or try to talk her through it over the phone.

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