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Nov 26, 2016, 11:41 PM
 
I made my icloud.com email and it's really hard to change that. But can one make aliases with new pre-fixes to use? Thanks.
     
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Nov 27, 2016, 07:51 PM
 
Yes, you can create aliases in iCloud's webmail client. You can customize the user name (the part before the @ mark) there.

PS In the past you could also choose a domain, but apparently you are no longer able to.
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Nov 27, 2016, 08:15 PM
 
Thanks Oreo, will check it out. How reliable is icloud for email? Someone mentioned they did think much of it. (I mean especially when using with Mail to send/ receive IMAP)

I think someone in the email biz said to me a couple of years ago if was a bit flaky.
     
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Nov 27, 2016, 09:03 PM
 
I haven't had any problems with it, the email service is solid. To me the issue was more the transition from POP with one device to IMAP with multiple devices where I no longer automatically move emails so that I still have access to them from all devices. I also like iCloud's web interface, but for some reason they don't have a smartphone interface.

It's probably the only free email service that doesn't rummage through your inbox and analyze their content to further build your profile. That alone makes it worth it to me.
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Nov 27, 2016, 09:39 PM
 
Excellent Oreo thanks.

I've never actually visited icloud.com and looked at Mail there. Just did it, and it's totally empty. In Apple Mail on my dektop/ laptop -- it's very robust with folders etc. I use fastmail.com, and their interface actually matches the folders and emails I see in Apple mail on my desktop and laptop. (which is tied to a specific url email)

Should I ask them about that? I suppose then maybe even if I use my icloud.com aliases to send/ receive, all emails will only show up in Fastmails their web mail, not in icloud.com? Which is ok I suppose.

Also, curious, I'm going on a trip soon, when you log into icloud.com in hotels or on trips, do you worry that hackers may see you keystrokes and name your user/ pass? This is a new question for me...
     
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Nov 27, 2016, 10:13 PM
 
When staying in hotels, on the road, etc. This is why email connections use SSL and web interfaces use https. The connection between you and the mail service is encrypted to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks. That's what you are describing.

Now about normal browsing, to sites that don't use https. Say while using the hotel wireless, or surfing from a coffee shop. In such cases your web accesses can be recorded by the hotel or coffee shop, and (depending on their wireless security settings) might be easily recorded by passing hackers too. Their motive would likely be targeted advertising. The best way to beat this is to use a VPN service.

All your traffic is encrypted all the way to the VPN server, so the hotel / host cannot see anything in clear text. And their wireless security settings no longer matter, since hackers can't see anything useful either. The only party you still have to trust is your VPN service, and of course, the NSA.
     
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Nov 27, 2016, 10:34 PM
 
Thanks Reader, then how do you trust you VPN, now that you mention that! You have recommendation?

But even with https, can't someone at the coffee shop-- owner, or some smart . devious, person see password entering?
     
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TorrentFreak does annual checks of VPN providers. Here is their 2016 edition. Warning, there are a lot of VPN services. The linked article is 3 pages long, and only covers those who returned TF's questionnaire.

About password entering, no the pw doesn't get intercepted. The encrypted link (https, ssl, etc) is established first, and the password sent securely. Email sometimes used to use insecure settings like you describe, but that has largely faded out. Today the big email providers will object if you use insecure connection settings.

The encrypted links are established using certificate keys issued by trusted 3rd parties called Intermediate Certificate Authorities (CAs). CAs are answerable to Root Certificate Authorities, who are answerable (i think) to ICANN. All the CAs up the chain have to be trustworthy - if one slips up, they get blacklisted by browsers and kicked out of the Chain of Trust. This is very abbreviated, if you really want to know how this all works, start with the wikipedia link I gave and follow their page links.
     
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Nov 27, 2016, 10:57 PM
 
Thanks Reader, so then no need for VPN in your opinion?

Also list is too long, I would want a recommendation.

I see https when I go to my citibank website, what is a website example of SSL?

This is not email, just entering user/ pass on website.

So you are sure in site starts with https, ssl, , the hotel or cafe is not peeking into keystrokes?

And you not go to your bank or Facebook or any important user/ pass combo and enter, while traveling until you see the https, ssl, ?
     
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You're getting it. For anything important (money usually, banks, stores, etc) wait for the https (usually shown by a padlock) before giving your password. Same for sites involving your identity (social security number if you live in the USA). That would be tax services (IRS) or anything to do with employment.

Unimportant sites that don't handle money or personal info (like us) don't need encrypted links. But the hotel can still eavesdrop on unencrypted sites. They might be interested in tailored advertising for your tastes, which is more annoying than harmful in my opinion. Hackers might still look at your unencrypted browsing too. They're looking for passwords you use on insecure sites.

If hackers catch a pw used on an insecure site, they'll try your username / password on banks/paypal/ebay/amazon/etc to see if you reused your credentials anywhere important. You should use a unique password on every site, and unique usernames on important sites or different types of sites. For example, I am registered on several forums as 'reader50'. That isn't a problem in my opinion (i want people to know they're talking to me each time) but I most certainly use a different password on every site. And I try to avoid that username on non-forum sites, to avoid having a guessable username. The passwords are always unique, but why make it easier than it needs to be.

Assuming you use good practices (unique passwords everywhere) my advice is: wait for the padlock icon for any important site. That will guard your money and identity.

If you also value your privacy, get a VPN for when you're on the road. The VPN also increases the security with banks, since the VPN encryption is on top of the https site encryption.

As to a VPN recommendation. TF's first entry Private Internet Access is one of the big ones. I haven't used them yet, but I've never heard anything against them. They're also cheap at $3.33 a month if you buy a year's service for $40.
     
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Originally Posted by kevs View Post
Should I ask them about that? I suppose then maybe even if I use my icloud.com aliases to send/ receive, all emails will only show up in Fastmails their web mail, not in icloud.com? Which is ok I suppose.
That depends on whether Fastmail deletes your messages on your iCloud account after downloading them. Exactly this was what I had to change: when I got my first smartphone, I initially hadn't changed my settings to deal with my emails. Hence, whenever my computer checked for new mail, it'd download them, and move them to the proper folders outside of IMAP. So what would often happen is that my mails would appear for a minute or just a few split seconds on my then iPhone 4S, and then disappear (as my Mac deleted them from the server). I haven't used Fastmail, but it stands to reason that you can pick and choose behavior.
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Also, curious, I'm going on a trip soon, when you log into icloud.com in hotels or on trips, do you worry that hackers may see you keystrokes and name your user/ pass? This is a new question for me...
Hotels can enforce all sorts of weird restrictions on your traffic, e. g. the types of ports you can access (so that you may not be able to use certain services), but they could also log the websites you visit. Sometimes, though, suppliers of public wifis screw with the traffic, which could range from adding a friendly banner on the top of every page to injecting/replacing ads on websites. I'm sure the websites you visit are thrilled that someone else adds ads without giving them a cut.

As reader (who is MacNN's version of the Stig) has already explained, https websites are probably safe, although they could still log what sites you access and selectively block some. (I got a taste of that during a trip to South Korea.) Using a VPN would not only avoid all of these issues, but potentially also give you access to other services. Many people use VPNs to circumvent content access restrictions, although content provides such as Netflix have been starting to block known VPN services.
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Nov 28, 2016, 09:24 PM
 
Thanks Reader, and the padlock and https will show up no matter where you are in the world? I was glad to see Facebook has both padlock and https. icloud.com, banks etc. So then if you see the padlock/ https no need for VPN?

Oreo, you lost me on that: It's Imap, and the whole of imap is that everything stay up until you decide otherwise then it's POP? What and where is the setting I should look for on : laptop/ Desktop, Iphone, Ipad, and Fastmail and icloud.com?

My only real worry/ paranoia Oreo is that someone is noting my keywords strokes to keep my user/ password.

Ok, I just did a test on my desktop, from @att email to icloud email, and reverse from icloud to att. They both came in fine on both the desktop and the laptop, and the iphone. And online icloud.com, was only the one to the icloud.com email. Which I guess is correct, but very limiting as I have other emails in the mix, particularity the one being now blocked by gmail. But it's nice to know its there as I will probably, changed to icloud for emailing from instead of my key website based email, as it's been deemed as a Viagra spammer by Google. Can't Google see that I'm just an artist sending a few thousand emails to aspiring clients and not a million dollar spammer sending viagra spam, and not lump me in with them? My guess, you agree, is that this spam issue will mostly be with gmail, yahoo and web based emails that consumers use and have that big spam button at the top and not the rest of emails, company/ url based...
     
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Thanks Reader, and the padlock and https will show up no matter where you are in the world? I was glad to see Facebook has both padlock and https. icloud.com, banks etc. So then if you see the padlock/ https no need for VPN?
Even beyond snooping the content, there is reason to use VPNs for privacy reasons. I'd definitely look into VPNs if you travel a lot or rely on public wifis.
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Oreo, you lost me on that: It's Imap, and the whole of imap is that everything stay up until you decide otherwise then it's POP? What and where is the setting I should look for on : laptop/ Desktop, Iphone, Ipad, and Fastmail and icloud.com?
No, IMAP and POP are two email protocols. With POP you download emails and remove them from the server afterwards. The truth, your collection of emails is on your machine in your email client. With IMAP the truth is on the server so that no matter how you connect to your email account, webmail, iPhone, Mac, Windows PC, you always get to see the same messages.

Email clients can move messages out of the server, and there is sometimes reason to do so (e. g. if you accumulate too many messages, syncing and such may take much longer). Therefore I move emails out of my inbox. I used to have rules set up to do this automatically, and that works perfectly if you connect to your emails using only one email client (and then, there is no big difference between IMAP and POP). My point earlier was that I had to adapt my workflow to be compatible with using multiple devices.
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Google see that I'm just an artist sending a few thousand emails to aspiring clients and not a million dollar spammer sending viagra spam, and not lump me in with them? My guess, you agree, is that this spam issue will mostly be with gmail, yahoo and web based emails that consumers use and have that big spam button at the top and not the rest of emails, company/ url based...
If you continue sending newsletters to thousands of clients, it's not unlikely you will be flagged again even if you change email addresses. Probably I'd look into different ways to get your name out.
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Nov 28, 2016, 10:55 PM
 
Thanks Oreo, I don't travel too much but it's good to know: "reason to use VPNs for privacy reasons".. what are the best examples then?

Well I get my name out not just by email blast, that's a new things in last 8 years.. I do calls, pdfs, postcards. But you are saying even if I make a new dummy email (let's say with Yahoo), for my blast, then ... even my icloud email, which I'm starting to use now-- and has a clean slate -- as a primary email that I don't use for blast/ newsletters will have a probelem with gmail users?

And is there anything I can to with gmail / google to get off their spam lislt?
     
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I wouldn't start over with new email address until you fix the rest of the issues with your emails. How they are coded, labelled, etc.

There are things pro email senders do to not be labelled spam. Is your subject line informative? Do you offer an unsubscribe link? Did your list originate with opt-in or did you buy it?

https://mailchimp.com/resources/guid...-filters/html/
     
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Nov 29, 2016, 04:11 PM
 
Ok Andi, I will improve a few things you just mentioned, and that's valid, but this is new. For years I sent (blasted) with my core email address and people could click the spam button and then future emails from me would go to their spam -- which is ok.

But now after 5-6 years, Google decides that no one with a gmail can receive an email from me into their inbox. Even clients who never received a blast. Even people who emailed me first. Is there anything I can do about this?

If not then I have to:
Get a whole new email for normal communication for past clients and prospective clients.
create a dummy/ disposable email for blasting in the future.

I think this nightmare is mostly contained to webmail clients like Google, Yahoo, who put a big spam button on their interface, not a problem with company emails.
     
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Thanks Oreo, I don't travel too much but it's good to know: "reason to use VPNs for privacy reasons".. what are the best examples then?
As I said, l they will know what servers you visited even if you encrypt the traffic. A lot of traffic is not encrypted, and there they can even superimpose their own ads. Hence, they will be able to monetize your surfing behavior. They can even block certain websites and services. Metadata reveal a lot more about you than you think. Plus, savvy other users can also monitor what you are doing as well.
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Well I get my name out not just by email blast, that's a new things in last 8 years.. I do calls, pdfs, postcards. But you are saying even if I make a new dummy email (let's say with Yahoo), for my blast, then ... even my icloud email, which I'm starting to use now-- and has a clean slate -- as a primary email that I don't use for blast/ newsletters will have a probelem with gmail users?
I don't know what your emails look like, but big services such as Google take into account whether the recipients consider your emails to be spam. So if you send your mails to 100 gmail accounts, and 10 of them mark your mails as spam, you can be sure to eventually be blacklisted from Gmail as a whole. While I don't have any experience marketing my services as a graphic designer, it doesn't seem smart to continue what you are doing. andi*pandi gave you some good pointers, though.
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I think this nightmare is mostly contained to webmail clients like Google, Yahoo, who put a big spam button on their interface, not a problem with company emails.
It's not a nightmare, email without spam filtering would be hell. And I can see why some people might consider your “email blasts” as yet another spam mail in their inbox. Marketing yourself like that doesn't seem very productive.
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You need an unsubscribe button that is as easy to find as the Spam button.
     
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Oreo/ Andi thanks.

Oreo, do you use a VPN, and if so, how often, and does it slow things down. I'm inclined to not bother, as I think that the https is sufficient, but I'm all ears.

The new email will be core email, that will never be used for blast.

And then another new email will be only for blast and disposable.

The unsubscribe is very complicated to create with the software I use, (Max bulk mail0, but I could put at the bottom, as I've seen many time, to unsubscribe please reply with Remove in the subject line or text. That's Kosher right? I think even then with unsubscribe, great subject line etc promo blast, many will get the spam mark.

Is there anyway to undo the Google blacklist or is that final? That could be the end of that email with consumers who use gmail. Even people I've never met, even people who contact me first, goes to spam now for that email and gmail, crazy!

Personally, I use Spam Sieve with Mail, and get everything.

For the email that will be used sparsely and never for spam, I'll now use my @icloud. For blast emails I'll maybe use gmail or yahoo.

But Oreo, for an artist, you have to send to past clients, prospective. I did have one big list, paid one, and it did not do that well, but occasionally brought in a good client or two... Hard field, gotta do everything these days...
     
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Oreo, do you use a VPN, and if so, how often, and does it slow things down. I'm inclined to not bother, as I think that the https is sufficient, but I'm all ears.
For the most part I use it to access servers on which I do scientific computations, but also occasionally to watch soccer games. (Another use case.) I'm in the process of setting up my own VPN server at work so as to be able to secure my internet connection when I am away.
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The unsubscribe is very complicated to create with the software I use, (Max bulk mail0, but I could put at the bottom, as I've seen many time, to unsubscribe please reply with Remove in the subject line or text. That's Kosher right? I think even then with unsubscribe, great subject line etc promo blast, many will get the spam mark.
Yes, even with the unsubscribe many people will think of these “blast” messages of yours spam. It's slightly less annoying if you make it easier for people to unsubscribe, but that won't change their overall perception. I remember one company that sent me spam messages for >10 years, just because I bought a computer for my sister once. Their unsubscribe link was so well hidden, and you couldn't unsubscribe by logging into my customer profile. For sure I won't buy anything there ever again.
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But Oreo, for an artist, you have to send to past clients, prospective. I did have one big list, paid one, and it did not do that well, but occasionally brought in a good client or two... Hard field, gotta do everything these days...
I can't say I have experience as an artist or a designer, but my wife used to be one. From what I can tell the most important asset is a web of personal connections and getting recommendations from other clients. Other members here will have more experience, but I don't think sending spam messages to lots of people is a very promising avenue to explore. (Even if you get jobs, I can't imagine they are nice design jobs.) Of course, you should give the advice of other members who work in the field more credence than me.
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get better software.

Constant contact, mailchimp, are all modern systems for emails.

get your own domain. mail from kev@kevartist.com will be better received than a yahoo, gmail, or even icloud account, which is disposable.

get your own website, and put a contact form on it, that people who want your info can use. Have a contest, give away free business cards or something, to get people to join your mail list.
     
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Andi, thanks, I do everything you say except the contest stuff which is bit too corny for me personally, but who knows.. maybe one day.

Ironically Andi, I have been blasting with a domain email, ( kev@kevartist.com) but I was thinking changing for blast purposes only, to use a gmail, yahoo for blasting precisely because, they are disposable. Don't you get it? I used my real honset domain name for many years, thinking that a few people on the consumer sites like gmail, might click spam, fine I'm ok with that, not thinking (as Oero pointed out), that over time gmail (and probably yahoo etc), will blacklist you from everyone who uses gmail including NEW people who send me inquiries!.

I have no idea, I was blindsided by this, No warning on that.

So now I have to use my @icloud for gmail users, not my normal domain name, just to respond to new inquires, or even paid clients, because gmail puts my replies into Spam!

Super annoying. Will never use domain name again for blasting. Why take the risk? But you bring up a new worry which I did not ponder: the blast will be less effective with the disposables hmmmm then maybe put kevsaritst@gmail I'm sure that would go over ok... not as good as domain, but again, why risk toasting your domain email?

One exception, you both agree: blasting to company emails: clients who are at magazines, ad agencies etc, I think they are way less inclined to hit spam, and I think is mainly the gmails and yahoos that have that button

Constant contact and Mail Chimp are overpriced and way to controlling for my taste; they super annoying to deal with.

Oreo, we can go in circle here, but I agree, personally I would not like to bother, but it's not quite Spam if you are in the same field. Most of these folks signed up to receive emails or inquired about a service at some point. And great clients have emerged, just as good clients as "word of mouth" clients. Hence it can be very effective, and many are very happy and appreciative to receive.
     
   
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