[rotuts]

Hello
I have a new G4 dual mirror I want to network to my old G3 to move a lot of files over.

I have One monitor to share between them. Im not sure if I can disconnet the monitor while each machine is on.

each machine has three partitions/HD, and the G4 has two HD's

Id like all to appear if possible.

Ive tried the Firewire method and on my G3
only the G4 original HD appears, with no 2d HD that has three partitions.

I have a ethernet crossover ccable, I think I can start file sharing, but then have to move the monitor over from a computer thats on, to the one thats off and boot the second and turn file shaing on?

the apple manual that came with the G4 is moot on disconnecting/reconnectin a monitor that on.

thanks rotut

[climber]

I have never had a problem disconecting the monitor while the computer is on, but that does not mean it is a good idea. Plus you really don't have to.

Just setup the G3 to fileshare each drive, once things are setup turn the computer off. those sharring settings will return as you set them even if the moniter is no longer attatched.

Then move the monitor to the new G4 and connect.

If you are using a mixture of OS9 and OSX then you will need to make sure both computers are setup to use either TCP/IP or appletalk. If the OS9 machine is setup with appletalk, then the default OSX computer will not see it unless appletalk is turned on in the network preference panel.

[Langdon]

Which G3 computer is it?

Why not just pop the HD into the new G4 and set it to be a slave? Problem solved.

[edit]
Sorry just saw that it had 2 drives. But still why not just move it over while you transfer the data.
And why did the Target FW disk mode not work? Did you try it both ways with the G3 being the FW drive?

[tooki]

Originally posted by climber:
I have never had a problem disconecting the monitor while the computer is on, but that does not mean it is a good idea. Plus you really don't have to.

Just setup the G3 to fileshare each drive, once things are setup turn the computer off. those sharring settings will return as you set them even if the moniter is no longer attatched.

As a star trek captain sometimes tells the first officer: Belay that order!\

A G3 (or any other Mac other than the Xserve) will not boot properly without a monitor. It won't boot at all. (Some adapters will work around this limitation.)

Rest assured that it is perfectly OK to disconnect (and reconnect) a VGA monitor with the computer (and even the monitor) powered on. Just don't do it with a digital flat panel display, they can be damaged by hot-plugging.

tooki

[mac-at-kearsarge]

HUH?!?!?!?!?!? tooki, maybe I'm wrong and just imagined the whole thing, but I can think of several DOZEN times I've booted many macs without monitors (being used as servers) including the LCs, cenris's/quadra's, Performa's, and aarly PMs all the way up to my G4 400 single! Maybe this is an error on the truley newer models but I can honestly say I've never had a mac not boot because it didn't have a monitor attached!

WAIT, now you have me thinking...were there monitors attached and just turned off? Dang-it now I have to go and experiment, I'll get back to this later.

[tooki]

When a Mac boots up, it checks the sense pins (or on newer ones, the DDS info) to know what resolutions it can display. If it finds a display connected but off, a DDS display may be missing resolutions once it boots. If it finds no display, it won't boot.

Sometimes they boot anyway at 640x480@67Hz, but it's hit-or-miss... officially, they won't boot with nothing connected to the video port, and most of the time, that's exactly what happens.

The Xserve checks for a monitor, and if it doesn't find one, it creates a "virtual monitor" in RAM so that applications don't get weirded out.

tooki

[climber]

I used to do this on my quadra all the time. But I forgot that I was using an NEC moniter with the little adapter..

Needless to say with the adapter installed on my quadra it fools the computer into booting. Forgot about that one......my quadra 950 is collecting dust now.

Thanks for correctiong me.

[PowerMac2001]

Originally posted by tooki:
Sometimes they boot anyway at 640x480@67Hz, but it's hit-or-miss... officially, they won't boot with nothing connected to the video port, and most of the time, that's exactly what happens.

The proper term for it is called headless booting when you don't have a monitor plugged in. Officially, headless booting for almost every G4 desktop is a supported feature at least under OS 9. Its referenced in Apple TIL's if you do a search. For the earlier G3 desktops, several models did need at least a video terminator for headless booting.

[warpmoon]

I have something sounding like the setup you're trying to create.

My G3 is a "headless booting" beige G3@266MHz, that first boots into Mac OS 9, halts when it finds the BootX extension and then boots Debian Linux instead. Works like a charm.

I use the comp as a router/fileserver/mailserver etc. and wanted to have Mac OS X on it at first, but it didn't work. (it failed when it tried to start the windowserver...since it had no screen to start it on) But, as I said, both Mac OS 9 and Linux work on it. *Without* an adapter or "video terminator" connected to it.

I have two ethernet cards in it, one for my ethernet-jack in the wall and one linked with my Sawtooth G4, using a crossover cable.