[pixelghetto]

I have managed to network my PC and Mac togther, the Mac currentely shares the PC's net connection via an analog x proxy set up on the PC. But is there a better way of doing this so that both computers can get online and have everything work ok? At the moment when I try and get my .mac web mail on the Mac it refuses to show the page. Can't quite remember what the error is.

But can anyone good soul help me out, as I am new to this networking lark?

Thanks in advance!

[mac-at-kearsarge]

1st, what Winoze OS are you running? 95/98/2000/XP/Me ?

I assume betwen the two you're using a cross over ethernet cable?

Furthermore I need to know what kind of internet connection it is LAN/Broadband(Cable/DSL) or is it dial up.

I'm not 100% sure what an "analog X proxy" is, I know what a proxy is. Is this a piece of shareware/freeware you downloaded? If it is, and you're using a a post Win95 box, it's unnesacry.

Instead of a proxy, you want NAT (Network Address Translation) although a proxy will do the NAT, it is also used to control access to certain things, which is one reason you might be having trouble accessing your .mac account. win 98 and up has built in NAT. I can give you more details when you reply

[pixelghetto]

Sorry, should have been more specific!

I have a PC running XP home edition, currentely I have a dial-up but we are due to move house soon and will get ADSL.

I do have a crossover ethernet connection between the two.

I know somewhere that in XP there is a internet connection sharing option, but I can't seem to get to work.

Any more advice?

And thanks for the sage like advice already given!

[pixelghetto]

oh, analog x is just a simple proxy; www.analogx.com if your curious.

[mac-at-kearsarge]

Oh this is going to be a piece of cake!

1st get RID of the proxy stuff. (Unistall it completely, and restart the machine afterward)

all you need to do is on the:

PC - go to control panels>network connections. in there you should see a icon for your dial up connection. right click on it, and select properies. In the window that appears you should see two tabs at the top (General and advanced) click on the advanced tab. and check the box next to Allow others to connect to the internet through this computers network connection. You'll probebably have a message pop up saying that your setting have been changed or something else. just close them.

Mac - go into the control panels and under the Ethernet connection, just set it to use DHCP, and all should work fine.

if this doesn't work let me know and I'll tell you what setting to tweak. You might need to put the DNS servers in maully on the mac.


Also, let me know when you're about to move so I can sell you what you'll need to do when you get you ADSL connection

-Jeff

[ghporter]

Once you get your ADSL up and running, you should (strongly encouraged is the term here) protect both computers against the big, bad world. This includes using WinXP's firewall feature, installing antivirus software on both machines, and even buying a gateway router.

XP's firewall has a short track record, but it is probably more than adequate for sharing a dial-up connection. However, with two computers surfing on the same connection, there's the possibility that performance and throughput on the PC can conflict and both will suffer.

Antivirus software is a must. There are lots of good products for PCs out there; I prefer Symantec's Norton AntiVirus, which is also available for MacOS. The pool of Mac viruses is growing, and the first, worldwide Mac virus meltdown is only one hacker away. Be prepared.

A gateway router (you can find them on sale for as little as $30 for the SpeedStream 2 port router) adds a layer of hardware between your ADSL connection and your computers. It has the advantage of allowing you to use the computers connected to it independently, without using software connection-handling tools that can slow a system down and use up resources. Just about all of them now handle PPPoE as well, which you will probably need on an ADSL connection. With a gateway router, you won't need MacPOET, Enternet, or any other such software. (These programs work OK, but not always well, and they sometimes cause problems you really DON'T want to have to deal with.)

Good luck, and enjoy speed-surfing.

[pixelghetto]

That sounds like it would work a treat, if I had a decent ISP. Which I don't, I use [shame] AOL [/shame], if there anyway to make this work with that?! Or is it a case of getting a new isp. Saying that Aol is my third and most reliabe isp I have had. So, any ideas?

[ghporter]

Originally posted by pixelghetto:
That sounds like it would work a treat, if I had a decent ISP. Which I don't, I use [shame] AOL [/shame], if there anyway to make this work with that?! Or is it a case of getting a new isp. Saying that Aol is my third and most reliabe isp I have had. So, any ideas?

All of us have some mark with which we must live, and you're not at all alone bearing your particular mark. You have my sympathy.

Now, if you're asking whether or not Windows XP's Internet Connection Sharing feature will work with AOL, I'm not sure, but probably. However, ICS is not the best way to share a connection.

Linksys markets a line of gateway routers, the BEFSR41, for example, that provide full-duplex sharing of the broadband connection. A recent firmware upgrade for that series is designed to make AOL-DSL work smoothly. These boxes are not too expensive; I've seen them for as little as about $80US, though I don't know what price they go for in the UK.

Was that helpful?

[mac-at-kearsarge]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Okay! Yes you DO NEDD A NEW ISP!, I don't know about in the UK, but judging from your "shame" tags, I'm assuming they suck there too. Here in the US, the trulely knowedgable want them to die (IMHO , but a standard ISP is both more reliable and cheaper. This summer I worked ata Summer cam and we used aol since we could exploit their first three months free offer and have access control, so the staff could have internet. Except, in cases like that, It's scenarios like that and where (as it sounds like it is in your case)they're the only reliable ISP, My personal opinion of AOL is that it's for idiot's who don't realize they can get the same "services" AOL has, for free from another ISP. I mean who really needs to pay $22.00 a month (US) for AIM???

[pixelghetto]

As something just used purely for it's net connection only, I find AOL to be reliable. But I know it still sucks.

I will probably get another ISP in the meantime and when I get broad band internet, use the mac for it and net work the pc to it that way.

Thanks for all the help though, much appreciated!

[tooki]

Well even if you wanted to keep AOL, you could if you got a (wildly overpriced) Airport Base Station. It's the only internet sharing device that supports AOL as the ISP.

tooki

[pixelghetto]

Ok..so I got myself a 'decent' dial up ISP. Tried doing what was suggested, but as I use 10.2 it was a lil' different. As I am new to macs, I did the settings in network and sharing, and turned internet sharing on etc.

But no luck.

I set up the dial up to share connections, but what settings should I configure on the mac for it to use that connection?

Sorry for all the questions, but i am a n00b!

[passmaster16]

Originally posted by GHPorter:


Now, if you're asking whether or not Windows XP's Internet Connection Sharing feature will work with AOL, I'm not sure, but probably. However, ICS is not the best way to share a connection.

Linksys markets a line of gateway routers, the BEFSR41, for example, that provide full-duplex sharing of the broadband connection. A recent firmware upgrade for that series is designed to make AOL-DSL work smoothly. These boxes are not too expensive; I've seen them for as little as about $80US, though I don't know what price they go for in the UK.

Yeah this is your best route, go with a broadband gateway that will work with your aol. I like the linksys stuff. It gives decent performance and a good price. Don't mess with XP ICS, it'll probably be more trouble than what it's worth.

[pixelghetto]

would have been so much easier if my g3 had a modem. oh well.

[mac-at-kearsarge]

On the mac, what'll need to do then is set it up manually. This will require the DNS numbers. If your ISP didn't give them to you, you can usually get them by right clicking on the connection monitor (It's the small icon in the system tray, next to where the time is, it should look like two small computers whose screen dim and brighten. select Status (should be in bold). in the window that appears select the support tab, and then the details button further down. copy down the IP addresses found after DNS Server (there should be at least two, but not always, maybe even more.)

Once you have these go over to your mac and go into the ethernet setup. Change it from DHCP to manually under the configure options.

Set IP address to 192.168.0.XXX (replace XX which whatever number you provided that it's between 5 and 250)

for subnet, set it to: 255.255.255.0

and for router set it to 192.168.0.1

in the box for Domian Name Servers your going to put in the numbers you copied from the PC. after you type in the first one, hit return and type any addition one on the next line (ie you want one per line)


If it still doesn't work go back to the PC. For your EHTERnet connection, right clikc, go to properties. In the window that appears double click on Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) in the window that appears make sure that it's set for "Use the following IP address" with IP address set to 192.168.0.1
with subnet mask set to 255.255.255.0
you can leave default gateway BLANK. After I post this I'll post screen shots so you can see what it should look like.

-Jeff

[mac-at-kearsarge]

Okay here are some screen shots to show you what your settings should look like. obvious th excact settings from your ISp will be different, and I'm shring my school's wireless connection with my mac, but it's the same diffeance. I hope I've been some help.

http://homepage.mac.com/kearnet/PhotoAlbum5.html

[pixelghetto]

I will give it a whirl when I get home from work, but much thanks for taking all the trouble to do all this. It's much appreciated. If you are in the Liverpool area, I will get ya a beer!