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Bogartte · Apr 11, 2004, 12:43 AM

I've always heard that networking on the Mac was crappy, and in my humble opinion it is still crappy. One would think, for a simple file sharing between two Macs, one OS X and one 9.2, you just attach a wire between them, and it works. But no, one has to go through tons of crap, and numerous ways to do it! Jeez! It's a lot of BS, as far as I am concerned.

Granted I don't know anything about it at all. Which may be my negative response here.

Anywhere on the internet, that explains file sharing between two Macs, easily accomplished? Anyone know? Thanks.

Detrius · Apr 11, 2004, 08:55 AM

The problem here is that OS X does not support AppleTalk like OS 9 does. You have to use IP networking. So, since at least one of the machines is NOT using 10.2 or later, you can't rely on rendezvous, and therefore you actually have to set up an IP network (or know the IP address the machines assign themselves).

Turn on file sharing in OS X. On OS 9, go into the chooser, select AppleShare, and enter the IP address of the OS X machine.

What was so hard about that?

BTW, it helps if you log in to the OS X machine as an admin user as you will get access to everything instead of just home directories.

car1son · Apr 11, 2004, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Bogartte:
Anywhere on the internet, that explains file sharing between two Macs, easily accomplished? Anyone know? Thanks.

See if this page helps.

Bogartte · Apr 14, 2004, 12:08 PM

Hey, thanks guys!

I may be persuaded in my opinions! I will try this asap!

Bogartte · Apr 14, 2004, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by car1son:
See if this page helps.

Greetings Carlson,

I visited your link, and I printed out your instructions and, wow, one, two, three! It works wonderfully...

Except now I can't connect to the internet.

I have a Belkin 4-Port Cable/DSL Base Station Router. I did the setup using this router.
I am connecting between a brand new G5 dual 1.8 and my old G4 9.2.2 downstairs.

Thing is, when I did your setup, I was connected to the internet (via sbcglobal.net) DSL, (PPPoE) and could do both sharing and internet (at least on the G5... I didn't get to test the G4.)

Then I disconnected from the internet, since I was going to be out for a few hours. When I returned, I was still
connected to filesharing, and tried to re-connect to the internet... actually to email you and tell
you how much I appreciated your instructions (on your mac site)... But no connection at all.

So here I am emailing you, having unplugged the DSL line from the router and re-inserted it back into the computer.

Have any ideas? I used PPPoE for the DSL. The router accepted that. Course in the configurations
it says I can't use apple talk with PPPoE... even though it was happening when I first connected.

Are there some additional settings I am missing?

Thanks

Jeff Bogartte

aaanorton · Apr 15, 2004, 11:48 AM

If you're connecting to DSL through a router, you should set the router to connect to DSL via PPPoE. Once that is done YOUR COMPUTER SHOULD NOT IMPLEMENT PPPOE. PPPoE is ONLY used to connect your LAN (your router) to your ISP. Everything inside your LAN can just be standard ethernet DHCP.

car1son · Apr 15, 2004, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Bogartte:
one, two, three! It works wonderfully...
Except now I can't connect to the internet.

So, not working.

I assume you went to that webpage and filled in the Manual IP address as suggested. Since you have an existing router and an Internet connection, you should switch back to a DHCP configuration on both Macs. (The router will remain configured for PPPoE.)

On the OS X system, in System Preferences, the Network pane, on the TCP/IP tab, make sure the "Configure:" pulldown is set to "Using DHCP". Like this.

On the OS 9 system, the same setting is in the TCP/IP Control Panel, "Configure:" pull-down, also to DHCP.

Bogartte · Apr 16, 2004, 12:52 AM

Yep, you're right! Internet is internet, and file sharing is another thing... Two separate functions... I have to switch one off to do the other. I got it!

aaanorton, your simple post showed this to me. Thanks!

carlson, I had everything according to your site info. This does work. I started up from scratch, using the Belkin's Setup Wizard, which had no problems configuring everything.
Your info setting up the Sharing/network stuff is right on.

Now I can mount the other computer, EXCEPT IT NEEDS A PASSWORD, which just happens to not be my administrator password, and have no idea what it is. This is a new turn of events, as I didn't need a password before. Yesterday I was sharing files, now I can't! What gives?

I really dislike all this password stuff, and keychains, it is driving me nuts!!! One should have the option of turning that stuff off.

Guess I'll have to call Apple.

Thanks everyone...

aaanorton · Apr 16, 2004, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Bogartte:
Yep, you're right! Internet is internet, and file sharing is another thing... Two separate functions... I have to switch one off to do the other. I got it!

aaanorton, your simple post showed this to me. Thanks!

Hmmmm... This is not what I meant at all. All I meant was that PPPoE the connection should be handled by the router. Always. Once the router is connected, all the computers can connect to it without PPPoE and share files and send/receive internet, etc. And they SHOULD work concurrently. Mine does. Everyones else's does, so yours should too.
Why not start over? Please list all devices and services and describe in detail what you want to do.

David Lee · Apr 17, 2004, 05:20 AM

Turning on File Sharing in the network panel is not enough (why did Apple do this like this?)! You need to use the "Directory Access" application in the /Applications/Utilities folder and put a check mark in front of the AppleTalk box.
All the rst of the info seen here looks right on the button. So you should have the ability to access the internet from either machine and aslo access either machine from the other using file sharing - even if either machine is on the web doing something - that is, at the same time. If you have to switch between file sharing and web access then something is amiss.

Bogartte · Apr 18, 2004, 12:53 AM

Hmmmm... This is not what I meant at all. All I meant was that PPPoE the connection should be handled by the router. Always. Once the router is connected, all the computers can connect to it without PPPoE and share files and send/receive internet, etc. And they SHOULD work concurrently. Mine does. Everyones else's does, so yours should too.

I assumed that this should be possible.

Why not start over? Please list all devices and services and describe in detail what you want to do.

Ok, I just got a G5 1.8 Dual, moved my G4 OS 9.2.2 downstairs. I have a Belkin router, and connected to he internet with DSL Sbcglobal.net, which is a dynamic IP.

I would definitely like to do all that you mention above, both machines able to connect to the internet, and be able to get whatever I need off the the old G4 onto the G5.

My thought is to then clean up the G4 and use it only for running a wide format Epson printer... the reason being that Epson has not yet provided a printer driver for OS X.