Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

You are here: MacNN Forums > Software - Troubleshooting and Discussion > GUI Customization > [ANN] Conundrum RELEASES Duality 4.0 GT

[ANN] Conundrum RELEASES Duality 4.0 GT
Thread Tools
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 06:17 PM
 
Duality 4.0 GT is now released for download. You may download it at:

http://conundrumsoft.com/Download/Duality4GT.tgz

You must restore Aqua from an older version of Duality first (or ThemeChanger) if you are in a different theme. Duality uses ThemeKit to read aqua backups (as opposed to TPKG2Class), and ThemeKit is not compatible with the Aqua backups Duality 3 generates. Duality is not compatible with ThemeChanger backups because they are not written in any specific format.

Here is the list of new features:

Features since 4.0 Beta

? Re-written using ThemeKit
? Themes in ~/Themes are now supported
? XScheme's are now supported
? Duality now generates icon set previews
? Advanced options enabled, safe mode added
? Hashes are now support in Aqua backups, Aqua restores are blazing fast
? ThemeStep added, Extras.rsrc and Localized.rsrc files are now parsed resource by resource.
? General Interface Improvements

Duality Pro is $15.00. It provides TPKG and RSRC support, and we plan to add more features soon!

Please report any problems including any incompatible themes.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Forum Regular
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 06:20 PM
 
Wow two threads....*clap* *clap* *clap*.
     
GUI Punk
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: S.E. Mitten
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 06:52 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Duality 4.0 GT is now released for download. You may download it at:

http://conundrumsoft.com/Download/Duality4GT.tgz

You must restore Aqua from an older version of Duality first (or ThemeChanger) if you are in a different theme. Duality uses ThemeKit to read aqua backups (as opposed to TPKG2Class), and ThemeKit is not compatible with the Aqua backups Duality 3 generates. Duality is not compatible with ThemeChanger backups because they are not written in any specific format.

Here is the list of new features:

Features since 4.0 Beta

? Re-written using ThemeKit
? Themes in ~/Themes are now supported
? XScheme's are now supported
? Duality now generates icon set previews
? Advanced options enabled, safe mode added
? Hashes are now support in Aqua backups, Aqua restores are blazing fast
? ThemeStep added, Extras.rsrc and Localized.rsrc files are now parsed resource by resource.
? General Interface Improvements

Duality Pro is $15.00. It provides TPKG and RSRC support, and we plan to add more features soon!

Please report any problems including any incompatible themes.
In the simplest answer you can provide;
With this version of Duality can I physically delete ALL PXM resources which I do not alter in my themes?

And the same for Localized.rsrc?

24" AlumiMac 2.4ghz C2D, 4g Ram, 300g HD, 750g USBHD • 80g iPod • 160g ATV • iPhone 3g
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:06 PM
 
Originally posted by swiz:
In the simplest answer you can provide;
With this version of Duality can I physically delete ALL PXM resources which I do not alter in my themes?

And the same for Localized.rsrc?
Yes and Yes.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Montreal, Qc
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:07 PM
 
Can't test drive it keeps saying it detects a Duality backup even though I deleted any traces of the old Duality. I also restored Aqua through ThemeChanger.


Data Bytes Computers - Montreal, QC
Ventes & Services / Sales & Services
     
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:18 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Duality 4.0 GT is now released for download. You may download it at:

http://conundrumsoft.com/Download/Duality4GT.tgz

Please report any problems including any incompatible themes.
Thanks for all the hard work Colin =) This guy honestly appreciates it very much (and being registered, I get pro for free - woot!). Now all we need is some more info on Xscheme development and a version of Themepark that allows one to edit them.
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Floreeda
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:22 PM
 
Originally posted by Dace:
Can't test drive it keeps saying it detects a Duality backup even though I deleted any traces of the old Duality. I also restored Aqua through ThemeChanger.
same here. i even used aquafix to totally restore aqua.
     
GUI Punk
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: S.E. Mitten
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:28 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Yes and Yes.
On behalf of Max and I:
überWOOT.

24" AlumiMac 2.4ghz C2D, 4g Ram, 300g HD, 750g USBHD • 80g iPod • 160g ATV • iPhone 3g
     
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Apr 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:31 PM
 
Boooooooooo!

Connundrum, you suck. The fact that none of your software ever works makes your releases a non-event.

     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Tempe, AZ
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:34 PM
 
Originally posted by bbxstudio:
Thanks for all the hard work Colin =) This guy honestly appreciates it very much (and being registered, I get pro for free - woot!). Now all we need is some more info on Xscheme development and a version of Themepark that allows one to edit them.
Workin' on it.

Congrats on the release, Colin! It looks sweet!
Geekspiff - generating spiffdiddlee software since before you began paying attention.
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Nov 2002
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:41 PM
 
Originally posted by MacOS 10:
Boooooooooo!

Connundrum, you suck. The fact that none of your software ever works makes your releases a non-event.

Why would you say that when all the best theme makers seems to like it?

*goes to try it*
click one
     
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: California
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 07:57 PM
 
It says SmoothStripes was for another version of Mac OS X. Weird.
     
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Feb 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:03 PM
 
none of the themes that i have tried so far works, whats going on??
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:05 PM
 
Originally posted by Fluid:
It says SmoothStripes was for another version of Mac OS X. Weird.
What version of SmoothStripes are you using? 2.7 works fine here.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:07 PM
 
Originally posted by fireside:
same here. i even used aquafix to totally restore aqua.
In terminal type:

sudo rm -r /library/themes/.aquajaguar.dlta
sudo rm -r /library/themes/.aquajaguar.theme

That should clean everything out.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:08 PM
 
Originally posted by pixeljunky:
none of the themes that i have tried so far works, whats going on??
Does the status bar when you switch themes show anything changing, or does it just say "Theme Change Complete"?
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Senior User
Join Date: Dec 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:34 PM
 
I clicked that link in Camino, and got a window full of garbage text. What is wrong with the .dmg.gz format that is all the rave these days? Or how about just .tar.gz? Or any other file format that is recognized as "something I should download, not try to display" by every major browser. Or even just set up your webserver's mime types correctly so you can use any crazy file extension you want? P3Ri0DtaarrDOTgeezi even?

I know it *sounds* like a small nit to pick, but the average user won't know what to do when thier browser window starts filling with garbage text instead of the file downloading and expanding like it should.

Also, what does GT mean? Gran Tourismo? Great Travesty? Get Trashed? Good Thing?

OK, tried it and here are my comments:

- This is on a fresh install of OS X 10.2.4, with no previous Duality droppings, so any bugs can be considered "fresh". I have no haxies installed at all. The only thing even remotely "hackish" installed on my system is CodeTek VirtualDesktop 2.1.6. And MS Office X.
- Switching themes takes forever compared to ThemeChanger (which also does resource-based switching).
- Previewing simply applies the theme. No preview window opens, the theme is not switched back afterwards, nothing.
- The alignment of the theme image and the description text is just whack. How did you pull that off? You really had to try, Cocoa doesn't make it easy to do things like that...
- There is no need for a "Refresh Themes" button. A timer that checks the modification time of the /Library/Themes and ~/Library/Themes directory set to fire ever one second would not use any noticable amount of CPU time.
- Ever think about deleting default menu items that don't do anything? Or adding at least *one* menu item that does do *something*?
- After "Previewing" SmoothStripes Gloss 2.7, I clicked back on "Aqua/Turn Duality Off", and click Apply. Crash.
- Relaunched Duality 4.0 GT PB X.3 r42a^0.5. Tried previous step again. Duality very quickly flashed a progress dialog whose message I had not the time to read, and proceeded to kill Finder.app and Dock.app (something it didn't do when "Previewing", ooh, there is a difference).
- After turning Duality off, SmoothStripes Gloss 2.7 was still in full effect.
- Saved this long-ass post to a .txt file. Rebooted. SmoothStripes 2.7 still in effect.

Can I please have a list of files this latest version of Duality has spewed about my system so that I can delete them? Also whatever files it may have modified so I can sterilize them? I cannot locate the backup that Duality claims to have made for Aqua. Where is that located?

Cheers,
Mike
"Think Different. Like The Rest Of Us."

iBook G4/1.2GHz | 1.25GB | 60GB | Mac OS X 10.4.2
Athlon XP 2500+/1.83GHz | 1GB PC3200 | 120GB | Windows XP
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Floreeda
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:40 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
In terminal type:

sudo rm -r /library/themes/.aquajaguar.dlta
sudo rm -r /library/themes/.aquajaguar.theme

That should clean everything out.
yep that did it

thanks
     
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:41 PM
 
Hi guys, where can I find themes that work with the Duality 4 (unregistered), so i can see if i really like it or not.


I selected the "Milk" theme i downloaded, but that does nothing.
     
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:43 PM
 
oh btw, under the Help Menu in duality 4 it says "NewApplication Help".
     
Senior User
Join Date: Dec 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:49 PM
 
Originally posted by keston:
Hi guys, where can I find themes that work with the Duality 4 (unregistered), so i can see if i really like it or not.
Carbon's Themes
Max's Themes
Swiz's Themes

These are the three major MacNN resident theme-makers. All *extremely* talented, listed in alphabetical order to hide whom I am the biggest fanboy of.

Also of interest are the theme archives at:

AquaWorld
ResExcellence
"Think Different. Like The Rest Of Us."

iBook G4/1.2GHz | 1.25GB | 60GB | Mac OS X 10.4.2
Athlon XP 2500+/1.83GHz | 1GB PC3200 | 120GB | Windows XP
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:49 PM
 
I'll go through tonight and take a look at everything.

If you have any trouble take a look at the console and see if it gives you any messages.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Connecticut
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 08:52 PM
 
GT = Generation Three. Yeah, I had to ask him about that too.
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 09:02 PM
 
Originally posted by macmike42:
- Switching themes takes forever compared to ThemeChanger (which also does resource-based switching).
- Previewing simply applies the theme. No preview window opens, the theme is not switched back afterwards, nothing.
- The alignment of the theme image and the description text is just whack. How did you pull that off? You really had to try, Cocoa doesn't make it easy to do things like that...
- There is no need for a "Refresh Themes" button. A timer that checks the modification time of the /Library/Themes and ~/Library/Themes directory set to fire ever one second would not use any noticable amount of CPU time.
- Ever think about deleting default menu items that don't do anything? Or adding at least *one* menu item that does do *something*?
- After "Previewing" SmoothStripes Gloss 2.7, I clicked back on "Aqua/Turn Duality Off", and click Apply. Crash.
- Relaunched Duality 4.0 GT PB X.3 r42a^0.5. Tried previous step again. Duality very quickly flashed a progress dialog whose message I had not the time to read, and proceeded to kill Finder.app and Dock.app (something it didn't do when "Previewing", ooh, there is a difference).
- After turning Duality off, SmoothStripes Gloss 2.7 was still in full effect.
- Saved this long-ass post to a .txt file. Rebooted. SmoothStripes 2.7 still in effect.
ThemeChanger's resource parser always corrupts my Finder on my Powerbook, I have informed the authors of this.

I have been able to reproduce your preview problems and have fixed them, I'll probably upload a minor update tonight.

However, I have been unable to reproduce your computer being unable to revert to Aqua. Do you have any versions of ThemeKit already installed? Does the console give any messages when you attempt to re-produce this problem?
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Senior User
Join Date: Dec 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 09:07 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
If you have any trouble take a look at the console and see if it gives you any messages.
Just to prove I'm not *just* being a prick:

From console.log when Duality tried (I assume) to make the Aqua backup:
Code:
/bin/chmod: /Library/Themes: No such file or directory 2003-04-01 20:12:49.652 Duality 4 GT[1278] There was a problem saving the theme ...blah blah blah... 2003-04-01 20:14:06.910 Duality 4 GT[1278] There was a problem saving the theme Apr 1 20:14:06 localhost last message repeated 15 times
My themes are in ~/Library/Themes, so I guess that was the problem. I have to admit though, it did try 15 times, at least I can't say Duality didn't try! The ideal solution, of course, is to create the Aqua backup in, say, /Library/Application Support/Duality/Aqua Backup, and to make sure said folder exists before trying to copy anything.

Also, when Duality crashed, here is the pertinent section of the crashlog:
Code:
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x0000002d Thread 0 Crashed: #0 0x9068ba54 in objc_msgSend #1 0x00004408 in -[interfacecontroller applybuttonhit:] #2 0x930f90dc in -[NSApplication sendAction:to:from:] ...blah blah blah... #9 0x930a8780 in -[NSApplication sendEvent:] #10 0x930b1600 in -[NSApplication run] #11 0x9315f6b0 in NSApplicationMain #12 0x0000353c in _start (crt.c:267) #13 0x000033bc in start
Basically looks like you tried to send a message to an invalid id pointer whose value was not NULL. If the value was NULL, objc_msgSend() would have simply failed silently.

Hope that helps,
Mike
"Think Different. Like The Rest Of Us."

iBook G4/1.2GHz | 1.25GB | 60GB | Mac OS X 10.4.2
Athlon XP 2500+/1.83GHz | 1GB PC3200 | 120GB | Windows XP
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 09:12 PM
 
Originally posted by macmike42:
Just to prove I'm not *just* being a prick:

From console.log when Duality tried (I assume) to make the Aqua backup:
Code:
/bin/chmod: /Library/Themes: No such file or directory 2003-04-01 20:12:49.652 Duality 4 GT[1278] There was a problem saving the theme ...blah blah blah... 2003-04-01 20:14:06.910 Duality 4 GT[1278] There was a problem saving the theme Apr 1 20:14:06 localhost last message repeated 15 times
My themes are in ~/Library/Themes, so I guess that was the problem. I have to admit though, it did try 15 times, at least I can't say Duality didn't try! The ideal solution, of course, is to create the Aqua backup in, say, /Library/Application Support/Duality/Aqua Backup, and to make sure said folder exists before trying to copy anything.

Also, when Duality crashed, here is the pertinent section of the crashlog:
Code:
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x0000002d Thread 0 Crashed: #0 0x9068ba54 in objc_msgSend #1 0x00004408 in -[interfacecontroller applybuttonhit:] #2 0x930f90dc in -[NSApplication sendAction:to:from:] ...blah blah blah... #9 0x930a8780 in -[NSApplication sendEvent:] #10 0x930b1600 in -[NSApplication run] #11 0x9315f6b0 in NSApplicationMain #12 0x0000353c in _start (crt.c:267) #13 0x000033bc in start
Basically looks like you tried to send a message to an invalid id pointer whose value was not NULL. If the value was NULL, objc_msgSend() would have simply failed silently.

Hope that helps,
Mike
Thanks, I should have both problems solved by tonight.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Nov 2002
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 09:58 PM
 
What is the format for icon sets? Somthing easy to use like canybar would be nice.
click one
     
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 10:24 PM
 
Also might want to note in the read me that the Theme files needs to be put in /Library/Themes. I am new to using themes and i did not know that... i just double clicked on the theme, which is why nothing was happening. The read me file is pretty short. Also, where do the "<Theme Name> Icons" go so it shows up in duality's Icon Set tab? Instructions please.
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 11:09 PM
 
4.01 has been uploaded. It is available at the same link. It fixes the following problems:

- Theme preview window might not show
- Duality might crash after a theme preview
- The Finder would re-launch after a theme preview (un-needed)
- The /Library/Themes folder would not be created by default

I will work on documentation.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Apr 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 11:21 PM
 
Based on the above posts, I think it is safe to say that Duality sucks and will always suck.

When two 15 year old kids can write ThemeChanger that knocks the socks off of a Duality 4 GT, a program which has taken months and months to develop still unsucessfully into essentially untested alpha software, you had just better hang it up.

Duality blows, don't use it, and pigs will fly before I ever install anything from Connudrumsoft on my Apple.
     
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Portland, Oregon
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 11:28 PM
 
Originally posted by MacOS 10:
Based on the above posts, I think it is safe to say that Duality sucks and will always suck.

When two 15 year old kids can write ThemeChanger that knocks the socks off of a Duality 4 GT, a program which has taken months and months to develop still unsucessfully into essentially untested alpha software, you had just better hang it up.

Duality blows, don't use it, and pigs will fly before I ever install anything from Connudrumsoft on my Apple.
What a troll!

Despite the appartent bugs, I comend and thank you for your effort. The program looks promissing. Perhaps a more diverse beta team / circle would help you in further releases.
Being a CS student, I know how embarrising it is to release a piece of code, just to re-release it a couple hours later after mass bug reports flow in
Job well done, and thanx again for the effort.
And be gone troll!
jesse ;-)
     
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Apr 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 11:40 PM
 
Is that your solution? Anyone who makes criticisms is a troll and needs to be vaporized? Well excuse me Mr. Vladmir Lenin...tell Conundrum that if they release software, it better be DAMN good, otherwise there is no point to releasing it. This isn't a little calculator program that does nothing, this alters your entire system with a great possibility of crashing or destroying it.
So, I think it's safe to say that it needs to work 99.9999% of the time before release, not after. If conundrumsoft can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. But I am tired of programs that are all talk and icons but fail to deliver. And that is my impression of Duality, and has been so ever since I ran across it 3-6 months ago.
     
GUI Punk
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: S.E. Mitten
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 11:45 PM
 
Originally posted by MacOS 10:
Based on the above posts, I think it is safe to say that Duality sucks and will always suck.

When two 15 year old kids can write ThemeChanger that knocks the socks off of a Duality 4 GT, a program which has taken months and months to develop still unsucessfully into essentially untested alpha software, you had just better hang it up.

Duality blows, don't use it, and pigs will fly before I ever install anything from Connudrumsoft on my Apple.
Know whats even lamer than overhyped software? People who hide behind alternate usernames to post their real views. If you've got something to say, be a man and say it as yourself.


BTW, to keep on topic, ThemeChanger is still king as of now.

24" AlumiMac 2.4ghz C2D, 4g Ram, 300g HD, 750g USBHD • 80g iPod • 160g ATV • iPhone 3g
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Nov 2002
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 11:45 PM
 
Originally posted by MacOS 10:
Is that your solution? Anyone who makes criticisms is a troll and needs to be vaporized? Well excuse me Mr. Vladmir Lenin...tell Conundrum that if they release software, it better be DAMN good, otherwise there is no point to releasing it. This isn't a little calculator program that does nothing, this alters your entire system with a great possibility of crashing or destroying it.
So, I think it's safe to say that it needs to work 99.9999% of the time before release, not after. If conundrumsoft can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. But I am tired of programs that are all talk and icons but fail to deliver. And that is my impression of Duality, and has been so ever since I ran across it 3-6 months ago.
Good points, but it doesn't prove that it's bad. We'll see after using it for a bit won't we?
click one
     
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 1, 2003, 11:54 PM
 
Too bad I still see no reason to switch away from ThemeChanger..


[edit]

Also, you really need to make sure your server is sending the right content-type. text/plain is incorrect, it should be application/x-tar so the browser knows its a downloadable file.

[/edit]
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Sapulpa, OK
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 12:05 AM
 
I dunno man, I did a back to Aqua in my 3.0 Pref Pane, went to 4.0 and switched to several different themes as easy as pie. I have never understood all these reports of themes never working, I've never had one problem with Duality.

Mac Guru
"The young people of America need be taught that the only pride they may properly hold is in the content of their character, and the achievements they make. There is no legitimate pride or moral credit to be gained by virtue of sharing the same race with a great and admirable individual. "

My Website
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Southern California
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 12:29 AM
 
Great job! It's a lot more stable than the betas. Keep up the good work.
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Capital city of the Empire State.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 12:47 PM
 
Originally posted by MacOS 10:
Is that your solution? Anyone who makes criticisms is a troll and needs to be vaporized? Well excuse me Mr. Vladmir Lenin...tell Conundrum that if they release software, it better be DAMN good, otherwise there is no point to releasing it. This isn't a little calculator program that does nothing, this alters your entire system with a great possibility of crashing or destroying it.
So, I think it's safe to say that it needs to work 99.9999% of the time before release, not after. If conundrumsoft can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. But I am tired of programs that are all talk and icons but fail to deliver. And that is my impression of Duality, and has been so ever since I ran across it 3-6 months ago.
Constructive criticism is fine. Simply dissing a program, with no facts to back up your complaint, is lame.
Duality has worked fine for me for months. This newest version is also working fine, and I appreciate the improvements that the developer has implemented.
Your pet ThemeChanger, BTW, has caused problems on my system. I bet you're the developer of TC, aren't you.
@sshole!
/mal
"I sentence you to be hanged by the neck until you cheer up."
MacBook Pro 15"/2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo/4 GB DDR2 SDRAM/200 GB Hitachi HD/8x SuperDrive/Mac OS X 10.6.1
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Oct 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 02:27 PM
 
Originally posted by macmike42:
OK, tried it and here are my comments:
The only thing even remotely "hackish" installed on my system is CodeTek VirtualDesktop 2.1.6. And MS Office X.
Haha

Yes, I just tried it, too. It seems to have quite a few bugs, however. This is my first time using a theming app of any kind, and given some of the horror stories I have read from some themers, I am somewhat reluctant to even try anything before I know that the app is stable and guarantees to be as safe as it claims.

First bug I found: Open the about window, and click around on the menubar. Insta-crash.

I'll think I'll let some other people take the risk and report back to these forums before I proceed much further. It looks like it has some potential, but stablity is key, especially in an application that modifies system files.

Also, great job on the artwork, Adam.
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Sapulpa, OK
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 02:28 PM
 
malvolio,

Can we please keep the stuff-slinging to a minimum please. I understand your POV but the voicing wasn't needed.

Thanks,
Mac Guru
"The young people of America need be taught that the only pride they may properly hold is in the content of their character, and the achievements they make. There is no legitimate pride or moral credit to be gained by virtue of sharing the same race with a great and admirable individual. "

My Website
     
cgc
Mac Elite
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Virginia
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 05:01 PM
 
That's funny. Maybe you should boil your Mac in a vat of fricking Lysol to sterilize it.

Originally posted by macmike42:
I clicked that link in Camino, and got a window full of garbage text. What is wrong with the .dmg.gz format that is all the rave these days? Or how about just .tar.gz? Or any other file format that is recognized as "something I should download, not try to display" by every major browser. Or even just set up your webserver's mime types correctly so you can use any crazy file extension you want? P3Ri0DtaarrDOTgeezi even?

I know it *sounds* like a small nit to pick, but the average user won't know what to do when thier browser window starts filling with garbage text instead of the file downloading and expanding like it should.

Also, what does GT mean? Gran Tourismo? Great Travesty? Get Trashed? Good Thing?

OK, tried it and here are my comments:

- This is on a fresh install of OS X 10.2.4, with no previous Duality droppings, so any bugs can be considered "fresh". I have no haxies installed at all. The only thing even remotely "hackish" installed on my system is CodeTek VirtualDesktop 2.1.6. And MS Office X.
- Switching themes takes forever compared to ThemeChanger (which also does resource-based switching).
- Previewing simply applies the theme. No preview window opens, the theme is not switched back afterwards, nothing.
- The alignment of the theme image and the description text is just whack. How did you pull that off? You really had to try, Cocoa doesn't make it easy to do things like that...
- There is no need for a "Refresh Themes" button. A timer that checks the modification time of the /Library/Themes and ~/Library/Themes directory set to fire ever one second would not use any noticable amount of CPU time.
- Ever think about deleting default menu items that don't do anything? Or adding at least *one* menu item that does do *something*?
- After "Previewing" SmoothStripes Gloss 2.7, I clicked back on "Aqua/Turn Duality Off", and click Apply. Crash.
- Relaunched Duality 4.0 GT PB X.3 r42a^0.5. Tried previous step again. Duality very quickly flashed a progress dialog whose message I had not the time to read, and proceeded to kill Finder.app and Dock.app (something it didn't do when "Previewing", ooh, there is a difference).
- After turning Duality off, SmoothStripes Gloss 2.7 was still in full effect.
- Saved this long-ass post to a .txt file. Rebooted. SmoothStripes 2.7 still in effect.

Can I please have a list of files this latest version of Duality has spewed about my system so that I can delete them? Also whatever files it may have modified so I can sterilize them? I cannot locate the backup that Duality claims to have made for Aqua. Where is that located?

Cheers,
Mike
     
Senior User
Join Date: Dec 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 05:42 PM
 
Originally posted by cgc:
That's funny. Maybe you should boil your Mac in a vat of fricking Lysol to sterilize it.
OK, I admit I was being a bit overly zealous, but I did post useful comments as well as crash logs and suggestions as where Colin could look for the problem.

All I meant by the sterilization comment was that I am very technically inclined and that my system is *very* clean. I know what every file is for, and the only software I didn't do before and after install snapshots for was Duality. Luckily Duality GT is much neater in the files it creates on your system.

In conclusion, my Mac still smells minty fresh.
"Think Different. Like The Rest Of Us."

iBook G4/1.2GHz | 1.25GB | 60GB | Mac OS X 10.4.2
Athlon XP 2500+/1.83GHz | 1GB PC3200 | 120GB | Windows XP
     
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: -
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 05:57 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
ThemeChanger's resource parser always corrupts my Finder on my Powerbook, I have informed the authors of this.

I have been able to reproduce your preview problems and have fixed them, I'll probably upload a minor update tonight.

However, I have been unable to reproduce your computer being unable to revert to Aqua. Do you have any versions of ThemeKit already installed? Does the console give any messages when you attempt to re-produce this problem?
It seems that the Macs always react differently to theming. Maybe it's because even GT (so called "Generation Threeeee") is still a big ugly stinky freaky spooky evil HACK.
     
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: -
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 06:00 PM
 
Originally posted by swiz:
Know whats even lamer than overhyped software? People who hide behind alternate usernames to post their real views. If you've got something to say, be a man and say it as yourself.


BTW, to keep on topic, ThemeChanger is still king as of now.
Some people might think this MacOS 10 guy is me.. or Finlay Dobbie.. BUT *shock horror* no he's NOT.

But I do agree with his opinions.

I did not download GT but from what I've read, it seems to be a bit too over hyped for what it really is. I'll stick with my good ol' ThemeChanger until a *ahem* well known company (prolly not us though) totally changes the theming landscape

     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 09:07 PM
 
Originally posted by ambush:
Some people might think this MacOS 10 guy is me.. or Finlay Dobbie.. BUT *shock horror* no he's NOT.

But I do agree with his opinions.

I did not download GT but from what I've read, it seems to be a bit too over hyped for what it really is. I'll stick with my good ol' ThemeChanger until a *ahem* well known company (prolly not us though) totally changes the theming landscape

The end-user feature set is not ground breaking, no. However the design is. All theme changers currently use seperate code for parsing each type of theme (Duality 3, 4 beta, ThemeChanger). Duality is the first to use ThemeKit as one layer to parse all themes the exact same way. Duality does know the difference really between DLTA's, .theme's, and xschemes anymore really. They all appear to Duality as XScheme's because of ThemeKit. Also, it is the first theme changer to be based on a standard that is open to anyone to use. It's really the first standards compliant theme changer. Anyone can use ThemeKit and communicate with Duality with zero issues. Hopefully we will see this in a ThemePark update.

This is also the first theme changer to include a complete resource parser, and to use hashes to prevent version compatibility trouble. It also is the first theme changer to not require OS version protection. If you apply a theme from 10.0 it will work fine.

Thats a little groundbreaking if you ask me. With the new Duality all the traditional troubles theme developers have faced are gone.
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Floreeda
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 09:07 PM
 
the only reason im using duality 4 gt is cause it doesnt ( i hope ) switch my icons back to the default after installing a theme. once themechanger does that, im right back to it. im sorry conundrum, but having a big pop up window telling me to buy the pro version everytime duality starts up doesnt make me very happy
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Floreeda
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 09:09 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
This is also the first theme changer to include a complete resource parser, and to use hashes to prevent version compatibility trouble. It also is the first theme changer to not require OS version protection. If you apply a theme from 10.0 it will work fine.
kinda strange since i installed a theme from 10.1 with ThemeChanger and everything worked fine
     
goMac  (op)
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 09:13 PM
 
Originally posted by fireside:
kinda strange since i installed a theme from 10.1 with ThemeChanger and everything worked fine
I install any theme with ThemeChanger and my Finder breaks. :-\
8 Core 2.8 ghz Mac Pro/GF8800/2 23" Cinema Displays, 3.06 ghz Macbook Pro
Once you wanted revolution, now you're the institution, how's it feel to be the man?
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Floreeda
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 09:18 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
I install any theme with ThemeChanger and my Finder breaks. :-\
you shouldnt make a huge claim like that just because themechanger doesnt work for you :/
     
Senior User
Join Date: Dec 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Apr 2, 2003, 09:20 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
I install any theme with ThemeChanger and my Finder breaks. :-\
I don't know why that would happen, but have you tried unchecking "Localized.rsrc" in ThemeChanger before applying a theme? Also, is your system running English as the primary language?
"Think Different. Like The Rest Of Us."

iBook G4/1.2GHz | 1.25GB | 60GB | Mac OS X 10.4.2
Athlon XP 2500+/1.83GHz | 1GB PC3200 | 120GB | Windows XP
     
 
Thread Tools
Forum Links
Forum Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Top
Privacy Policy
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:08 PM.
All contents of these forums © 1995-2011 MacNN. All rights reserved.
Branding + Design: www.gesamtbild.com
vBulletin v.3.8.7 © 2000-2011, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2