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phillryu · 09:00 PM

Hey Max, I sent you a PM. I modded Smoothstripes to have all blue widgets. Preview is attached. I was wondering if I could have your permission to distribute this? Or maybe you could include it as a variant in a future release? Anyway, here is the preview:

I also wanted to see if there is any interest in these forums. Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Changed preview to png for Camino users

-phill

SwarmyCurve · Apr 9, 2003, 09:01 PM

I can't imagine Max would be a-okay with this.

SmoothStripes Gloss from Max is still my favorite.

Patcarla · Apr 9, 2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by phillryu:
Hey Max, I sent you a PM. I modded Smoothstripes to have all blue widgets. Preview is attached. I was wondering if I could have your permission to distribute this? Or maybe you could include it as a variant in a future release? Anyway, here is the preview:

I also wanted to see if there is any interest in these forums. Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Changed preview to png for Camino users

-phill

Don't know if Max will be OK with it but I like your widgets..

swiz · Apr 9, 2003, 09:10 PM

When I got started in theme development my favorites thus far were Sosumi and a "theme" called "Circular Blue Widgets". It definitely tightens up Aqua I think.

On the other hand I dont believe Max is interested in yet another SmoothStripes variation.

Vi0 · Apr 9, 2003, 09:11 PM

Cool! I want it! Where can I get it?

phillryu · Apr 9, 2003, 09:21 PM

Well, I'm not really expecting Max to just use this as a variant. It was more of a little personal project to get familiar with Themepark, and make smoothstripes have blue widgets, which is something I've always wanted. Maybe he'll like the concept, and make his own version.

NetworkShadow · Apr 9, 2003, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by swiz:
When I got started in theme development my favorites thus far were Sosumi and a "theme" called "Circular Blue Widgets". It definitely tightens up Aqua I think.

On the other hand I dont believe Max is interested in yet another SmoothStripes variation.

Looks nice. I used Circular Blue Widgets too, but I like non-aqua themes better now.

phillryu · Apr 9, 2003, 09:29 PM

Does anyone have a link to this "Circular Blue Widges" theme? I think I may have seen it before, but I can't find it.

swiz · Apr 9, 2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by phillryu:
Does anyone have a link to this "Circular Blue Widges" theme? I think I may have seen it before, but I can't find it.

I havent seen it since the early XThemination days. I bet Matt Stoton has a copy of it somewhere's.

TheIceMan · Apr 9, 2003, 10:35 PM

phillryu:
I LOVE it! I'm using SmoothStripes right now and BLUE is my favorite color. Was getting tired of the multi-colored widgets. Hope Max is ok with you distributing it. After all, these themes, esp. SmoothStripes came out of Apple's Aqua.

tiffer17 · Apr 9, 2003, 10:48 PM

that looks sweet! i hope max will let you release it. ive been wanting to do that for a while, but i lack the skill. (btw...i think the blue color is a little off...im not sure but it seems to me that its not quite right)

chris early

fireside · Apr 10, 2003, 12:13 AM

that looks very nice. however, i think it would be cool to release a plain old aqua theme with blue widgets, too.

bOOzo · Apr 10, 2003, 02:09 AM

Well, I'm not ok with you distributing it. But I will see if I can make a new SS variation with blue widgets - is that cool?

TheIceMan · Apr 10, 2003, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by bOOzo:
Well, I'm not ok with you distributing it. But I will see if I can make a new SS variation with blue widgets - is that cool?

Good man Max. We'll be waiting. Thanks. Btw, did you ever get that iPod you wanted?

bOOzo · Apr 10, 2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by TheIceMan:
Good man Max. We'll be waiting. Thanks. Btw, did you ever get that iPod you wanted?

I have the money for an iPod, but I'm waiting for the new ones.. Been waiting since christmas time...

phillryu · Apr 10, 2003, 04:03 AM

Sure Max. Is it ok if I distribute it privately to people who ask? It has all the info on it, like "Created by Max. modded by phillryu" etc.

bOOzo · Apr 10, 2003, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by phillryu:
Sure Max. Is it ok if I distribute it privately to people who ask? It has all the info on it, like "Created by Max. modded by phillryu" etc.

Um, no. You could send it to me and I'll try and put on my page as soon as possible though.

phillryu · Apr 10, 2003, 05:31 AM

All right, I emailed you the link.

SwarmyCurve · Apr 10, 2003, 05:43 AM

ThinkSecret has some info on new iPods. They are normally correct about things they say they are confirming. Expect them in late April, apparently!

Zimphire · Apr 10, 2003, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
ThinkSecret has some info on new iPods. They are normally correct about things they say they are confirming. Expect them in late April, apparently!

Cool, I am sure they will go well with Max's theme..

Mean to post a new topic?

bOOzo · Apr 10, 2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
ThinkSecret has some info on new iPods. They are normally correct about things they say they are confirming. Expect them in late April, apparently!

Cool! Thanks for the heads-up. I hope it's true..

ARENA · Apr 10, 2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by bOOzo:
Cool! Thanks for the heads-up. I hope it's true..

Yeah, me too. I anxiously waiting for new iPod models to get one.

Lew · Apr 10, 2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
ThinkSecret has some info on new iPods. They are normally correct about things they say they are confirming. Expect them in late April, apparently!

Cool, I am sure they will go well with Max's theme..

Mean to post a new topic?

It was mentioned earlier in this thread

Originally posted by bOOzo:
I have the money for an iPod, but I'm waiting for the new ones.. Been waiting since christmas time...

Mrjinglesusa · Apr 12, 2003, 09:59 PM

OK. I have a question since Max absolutely refused to allow distribution of this new modification. I don't want to start a flame war, but why is it OK for you (Max, for that matter any themer) to distribute themes based on Apple's Aqua resources (i.e. intellectual property) but its not OK for others to change your resources and do the same? After all, you are distributing for free, Apple spent years in their development of Aqua, and rightfully charge for it. I know this whole idea of intellectual property has been discussed elsewhere but I was curious as to why you won't allow him to distribute it even though he says in the about that it is made by Max and modified by him.

swiz · Apr 12, 2003, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
OK. I have a question since Max absolutely refused to allow distribution of this new modification. I don't want to start a flame war, but why is it OK for you (Max, for that matter any themer) to distribute themes based on Apple's Aqua resources (i.e. intellectual property) but its not OK for others to change your resources and do the same? After all, you are distributing for free, Apple spent years in their development of Aqua, and rightfully charge for it. I know this whole idea of intellectual property has been discussed elsewhere but I was curious as to why you won't allow him to distribute it even though he says in the about that it is made by Max and modified by him.

Because Max produces a certain level of quality in his themes and the only way to assure that his image is maintained is by him creating and approving the work to his spec. Sure, alot of the elements are Apple's but SmoothStripes goes hand in hand with Max. If the author of these blue widgets doesn't meet Max's standard guess who will receive the email about them not looking good or right.

Hope this doesnt sound preachy. And sorry Max for butting in but I just felt that this is where you, I or any other theme dev would be coming from on this point.

bOOzo · Apr 13, 2003, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by swiz:
Because Max produces a certain level of quality in his themes and the only way to assure that his image is maintained is by him creating and approving the work to his spec. Sure, alot of the elements are Apple's but SmoothStripes goes hand in hand with Max. If the author of these blue widgets doesn't meet Max's standard guess who will receive the email about them not looking good or right.

Hope this doesnt sound preachy. And sorry Max for butting in but I just felt that this is where you, I or any other theme dev would be coming from on this point.

You are absolutetly right.

No offence phillryu, I like the idea of the blue buttons, but they are not that well done. For example, what you can't see in the screenshots is that if you hover over them, they just become brighter instead of showing the x-+. Also, the metal buttons color is not the same as in regular apps.

I will make a blue titlebar button variation myself, with cerdit to phillryu.

Mrjinglesusa · Apr 13, 2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by swiz:
Because Max produces a certain level of quality in his themes and the only way to assure that his image is maintained is by him creating and approving the work to his spec. Sure, alot of the elements are Apple's but SmoothStripes goes hand in hand with Max. If the author of these blue widgets doesn't meet Max's standard guess who will receive the email about them not looking good or right.

Hope this doesnt sound preachy. And sorry Max for butting in but I just felt that this is where you, I or any other theme dev would be coming from on this point.

Doesn't sound preachy at all but it does prove the point I wanted to make. A lot of people are upset at Apple for not allowing themes. Now you see why. When the themes don't meet APPLE'S standards for Aqua, who will get the angry emails? Apple.
I don't want to get on a soap box here, but it just seems hypocritical to not allow the distribution of this modified theme while at the same time distributing themes using Aqua resources against Apple's will and without their consent.

ambush · Apr 13, 2003, 03:08 PM

Make it a lighter blue...
and I could use it.

phillryu · Apr 13, 2003, 03:12 PM

Yes, the lack of x - + was intentional, and the difference in color between metal/aqua was not. If you did not plan on making your own version, I would have fixed that problem at least. Personally, x - + is kinda useless to me, so I just wanted to try it out without them. It was kinda experimental, but I guess it doesn't matter either way. Thanks max, for planning on creating this varient, and giving me some credit.

swiz · Apr 13, 2003, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
Doesn't sound preachy at all but it does prove the point I wanted to make. A lot of people are upset at Apple for not allowing themes. Now you see why. When the themes don't meet APPLE'S standards for Aqua, who will get the angry emails? Apple.
I don't want to get on a soap box here, but it just seems hypocritical to not allow the distribution of this modified theme while at the same time distributing themes using Aqua resources against Apple's will and without their consent.

Well, yes and no. Usually if someone is applying a theme, they know that they are moving from an Apple designed GUI to a third party designer. If Apple did embrace themes and there was the possibility for a theme other than Aqua to be Apples then I can see this being a possibility. I do see your point though regardless.

Mrjinglesusa · Apr 13, 2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by swiz:
Well, yes and no. Usually if someone is applying a theme, they know that they are moving from an Apple designed GUI to a third party designer. If Apple did embrace themes and there was the possibility for a theme other than Aqua to be Apples then I can see this being a possibility. I do see your point though regardless.

I agree with you but think of it this way: If people post about their Mac crashing, or problems popping up, and don't mention it all started after installing a new theme, how does this look for Apple?

Personally, I like and use themes. In fact, I use Max's Smooth Stripe Glossy on my home iMac (great theme, btw Max). I am simply playing Devil's Advocate on the issue of someone else distributing a modification of his themes.

swiz · Apr 13, 2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
I agree with you but think of it this way: If people post about their Mac crashing, or problems popping up, and don't mention it all started after installing a new theme, how does this look for Apple?

Personally, I like and use themes. In fact, I use Max's Smooth Stripe Glossy on my home iMac (great theme, btw Max). I am simply playing Devil's Advocate on the issue of someone else distributing a modification of his themes.

I get that.

bOOzo · Apr 14, 2003, 11:31 AM

I have allowed SmoothStripes variations. I gave permission to someone who made a SS variation with gold elements (although I have not seen it posted anywhere).

The blue buttons are such a small change and if I can make "offical" blue buttons, with credit to Phill, isn't that just as good?

Zimphire · Apr 14, 2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by bOOzo:
I have allowed SmoothStripes variations. I gave permission to someone who made a SS variation with gold elements (although I have not seen it posted anywhere).

The blue buttons are such a small change and if I can make "offical" blue buttons, with credit to Phill, isn't that just as good?

I agree with boozo on this one. Him giving you credit is the best you can really ask for.

Now, if you want to make your own stripeless version of Aqua with blue widgets, and release it under your name, by all means do so.

bOOzo · Apr 17, 2003, 03:55 PM

Damn you Phill...

You made me redo all the buttons for SmoothStripes! I've tinkered with these buttons so much now. When I started with the blue ones I realized that they would have a different style from the Graphite and Traffic ones, so I had to redo them too. And after that I had to redo the small and smallest ones + the toolbars and Metal versions..! And then add to that there is both sunken and floating buttons... Anyway I have all buttons except the floating done. I've also incorperated some other changes such as a sunken Apple menu. When it's done I'll release it as SmoothStripes 3.0.
I'm not sure if I will update the Classic themes though.. And I will need to make updates to the iFixes too.

But Anyway, here is how my version of the blue buttons look:

Ps. No negative comments accepted - I've worked too much on them to change them again

Patcarla · Apr 17, 2003, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by bOOzo:

Ps. No negative comments accepted - I've worked too much on them to change them again

Good Job Max. I made also a version myself (couldn't wait I guess) but it's not pretty as your.. That'll do it anyway..

blikum · Apr 17, 2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by bOOzo:
But Anyway, here is how my version of the blue buttons look:

Ps. No negative comments accepted - I've worked too much on them to change them again

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Very nice Max! Any idea on a release date?

FB Eye · Apr 17, 2003, 04:23 PM

Ps. No negative comments accepted - I've worked too much on them to change them again

I don't like that beige background you used for that screenshot

TheIceMan · Apr 17, 2003, 04:37 PM

bOOzo:
Thanks Max. It looks great! I LOVE blue!

bOOzo · Apr 17, 2003, 04:52 PM

Thanks for the positive feedback

I think the theme might be done during the weekend. Not promissing anything though.

FB Eye - Hey, I like my beige DP. It has Bender (Futurama) on it

Sage · Apr 17, 2003, 05:49 PM

Beautiful!

As swiz said, it nicely tightens up the whole Aqua theme.

phillryu · Apr 17, 2003, 06:51 PM

Look's great.

akuma-x · Apr 17, 2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by bOOzo:

Looks killer!
Now I might be shot for asking this, but hey i've got to try right?

Since you already put allot of work into making all blue buttons, do you think you would be able to make an all red and all yellow versions as well? I think they would look sweet.
Anyways, keep up the killer themes dude!

kovacs · Apr 17, 2003, 11:23 PM

You know that people will start asking for other color variations of smoothstripes, guys like me will start asking for crazy things like....lime variations

Hey ..I'm a guy like me ( Homer Simpson )

Colonel_Panic · Apr 18, 2003, 02:29 AM

I used to have the blue widget theme too and I loved it..

Blue is my favorite color, but many hard drive erases ago I lost it..

I would LOVE this new smooth stripes theme with blue widgets

bOOzo · Apr 18, 2003, 04:29 AM

I can't allow any more color vatiations with the present format. Just adding the blue option doubled the amount of variations.

Brien · Apr 18, 2003, 04:59 PM

Thats like 10 variations... looks nice though.

970 · Apr 18, 2003, 05:23 PM

A candy tangerine orange variation on Aqua would be equally as good (although I would keep the red, yellow, and green window buttons and change the other widgets).

I really like the rhapsody orange that Max did, but an aqua variation like the above would be the bomb.

undotwa · Apr 18, 2003, 09:07 PM

Are pressed-in toolbar widgets a possibility? Especially for the Back, Forward, and View buttons.

970 · Apr 18, 2003, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by undotwa:
Are pressed-in toolbar widgets a possibility? Especially for the Back, Forward, and View buttons.

Yes they are all just images. All you have to do is replace them with whatever image(s) you desire with the appropriate effects.