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Atomic Rooster · 11:35 AM

From a thread over at appleinsider....

First off, what I'm about to say will probably be regarded as BS, lies, and more lies. I'm positive about the information and have, and even if you don't believe me now you'll get to see sometime after June. This is going to be a huge year for Apple.

You'll see IBM 970 64bit w/ "Altivec Velocity Engine Extreme"
You will see Mac OS 10.3 available on x86 Intel Processors. At first it will run in server enviroments only (because apps will need to be recompiled with a simple tool) Later on you will see apple release it for sale with certian OEM computers. They have a way to limit it for testing acceptance to only those OEM machines. If it goes as planned OS X will sell to anyone with a x86 box. This wasn't ever supposed to actually happen, but the CEO of Intel has been pushing Apple's board of directors really hard on this.

There is also OS X 10.3 being ported to the 64bit offerings to be forthcoming from AMD. I cannot confirm it this version of OS X will ever be released.

Some Details of OS X 10.3 (some of you probably guessed these)

64bit OS, including rewritten finder to take advantage! Jokes have been made about "finder extreme".

Multiple concurrent GUI logins (similar to XP but with solid unix)

OSXFS - New filesystem, based off of BeOS Filesytem. Very cool features built right into the finder! 10.3 Includes the ability to lay windows out with rich HTML based on the webcore. You can use "simple/regular" finder mode to bypass these. The ability to assign files categories like ID3 tags. Ever finder window can be searched realtime similar to the itunes search thanks to OSXFS. You can find all files that were assigned "category" business in 1 second flat.

New Print Services and much better dialog windows

New Navigation services! Three different ways to drill down files, you can even click a button to "spot" the folder. This means your cursor changes and you can move through the finder to locate the folder then hit enter key to finish saving. You can also assign the file categories at this time or the application can by default. files created by apple sound track editor can automatically be assigned "audio", so could files from an updated pro tools.

Bundles (some of you call them piles) work sort of like this, you could select 20 files and say "these are all the files for my project" monitor them. when you go to move 1 file it will automatically copy the rest with it. You can also condense them to look like a folder. Think files on different hard drives, different networks all as one project "folder" all updating and all copying when you move them. Very cool.

**New themes and sound effects, lots of interfaces changes, and customizations you can make for yourself**

New dock, so many new features, split mode, text mode, "start menu" like mode for people who prefer windows. dock is very slick in this version, better than the start menu.

new quicktime, very very nice player, apple went all out! even supports nonstandard divx format and wierd avis, it's new billing will be "anything motion" (not those exact words)

new ichat, built in video conferencing (works with netmeeting!), voice chat, secure chat, better sortable and group lists, jabber support, plug in module support (for other IM services) and many cool new features and several mac only ones

new mail.app uses webcore for parsing html/mime email now, much faster and better, offers exchange server support, and many other new features, including a new "view" that looks exactly like outlook 2003 preview for windows. (you can still use old ones) mail is much faster.

built in ftp, sftp, scp into the finder connect to server menu.

much improved sharing controls for sharing with windows and unix enviroments, lots of complex options.

new built in remote access software, much better and faster than stupid remote access from apple. It reminded me of terminal server for windows. very fast.

new itunes (this will be out sooner i think) speed updates and built in support for music service?? new wireless and options to "share" your files with friends only on certian files.

new iphoto (very very very very very very very very fast)

new appleworks (new name, don't know if it ships with it, looked very nice!)

that's all i can remember.

Granted, every one seems to have "the inside scoop" about what 10.3 will contain. Regardless, this thread struck me as interesting.

Any thoughts?

mdc · Apr 20, 2003, 07:11 AM

all i can say is "were did i put the salt?"

some of the features sound good, we are going to have to wait tho.

and shouldn't this be in MacOSX?

derekn · Apr 20, 2003, 11:11 AM

I hope most of, if not all of that, is true and makes it into Panther. Jaguar is a great update, don't get me wrong but was a bit of a letdown too in some areas. OS X still needs some polishing and tuning in some areas and hopefully Panther will tend to all that.

If not, I'm staying with Jaguar. Especailly if Panther doesn't meet the expectations of a $130 "upgrade" (if that is the final price).

daydreamer · Apr 20, 2003, 11:26 AM

I really do not believe the x86 part, pure BS if you ask me. The other features sound neat.

Mike S. · Apr 20, 2003, 12:05 PM

I don't believe any of it, too many big changes and too many wishful thinking "predictions" that have no basis.

"Altivec Velocity Engine Extreme"? No marketing division earning their money would come up with such a long name. Besides, would a 970 even need a stupid catch phrase? I think those Pro Mac users who have stopped buying towers know what the 970 means to them by now, no need to insult them with idiotic marketing.

Some things in there seem like common sense, iChat, Quicktime supporting more things, etc.. but a lot of it stinks and is clearly based on nothing more than a collection of old rumors and people Apple hired.

Zimphire · Apr 20, 2003, 12:23 PM

Don't know why, but it seems the people who always post these "predictions" barely post any other time... hmmm.

Hi I'm Mike · Apr 20, 2003, 04:00 PM

buddy groups better be an option and not the standard! that's all im going to say. i will stick with this ichat if that is the case. ick buddy groups.

x user · Apr 20, 2003, 04:33 PM

Hmm, most of those things sound bad, not good. X86 support <---to easy to reverse engineer. Then everyone and their brother would be running on PeeCee boxes.

D'Espice · Apr 20, 2003, 06:27 PM

Dace · Apr 20, 2003, 08:51 PM

I'll believe it when I see it. I just know Apple should hurry the hell up....they're wayyyyyyy behind. As for X86 support because they're being harrased by Intel, I don't think so....one of the reasons Mac OS X works great, is because it's optimized to run on Apple computers. And one of the reasons Apple is in business it's because of those machines they make.

NetworkShadow · Apr 20, 2003, 09:05 PM

I hope the that they mean that 10.3 will have official theme support.

Ya the new chip is way over due... I hope Apple never has Mac OS running on an Intel!

macmike42 · Apr 20, 2003, 09:38 PM

IBM 970 64bit w/ "Altivec Velocity Engine Extreme"

Right...

available on x86 Intel Processors

The reasons why this won't happen have been beaten to death. To summarize: if Apple releases an OS that runs on hardware that they do not sell, they will die. If they make really good software, they will die slowly and painfully. If the software gets a bad rep, they will die quickly and violently.

64bit OS, including rewritten finder to take advantage! There is nothing more efficient than delcaring a 64 bit integer to hold a true or false value.

WTF? Why not just rewrite it to properly use MP threads that have existed since Carbon's inception?

Multiple concurrent GUI logins

Sounds good

(similar to XP but with solid unix)

Well, it sounded good until you threw an idiotic biased statement like that in. I'll take by multiple concurrent GUI logins without evangelism, thank you.

Three different ways to drill down files...click a button to "spot" the folder...cursor changes...move through the finder...locate the folder...hit enter key...file categories at this time or the application can by default...apple sound track editor...so could...updated pro tools.

Except having the three Finder views built into nav services dialogs, if these other features are in 10.3 and are designed the way you claim, I'm switching to Windows. I mean, applications have to updated to be able to asign labels from a save dialog? Think!!!

Besides, one of the things I love about OS X is that it is as close to being entirely modeless as any current GUI methodology can be. Throwing a "save by navigating the Finder as if you were looking for something to open" mode into the mix would lock you into that mode until you had finished the operation. What if I want to change the name of a file by hitting enter? Oops, I just saved my file? Do all the windows that you opened close now so that you can forget where you accidentally saved that file? What was the file's name? How do you set the name of the file you are saving in this mode?

Bundles (some of you call them piles)

Um, no. Bundles are folders that look like files in the Finder. Bundles are also shared libraries that can be dynamically linked into running code without relying on hard-coded file system paths. There is no way in hell that Apple would use the word bundle to describe yet a third aspect of Mac OS X. Yet you seem to imply that everyone calls them piles, yet the offical name from Apple will be "bundles". If this is what you mean, this statement has totally discredited everything you have said.

Unfortunatelty, I have obviously been trolled, but I'm no quitter, so I'll continue...

**New themes and sound effects, lots of interfaces changes, and customizations you can make for yourself**

One of the fundamental ideals behind OS X is to provide the novice user with only the customization options they need, yet provide the expert with all the usually Unix-ish methods to customize everything to her heart's content. There is no way Apple is going to put 10,000 checkboxes in General.prefpane. We might get real themes, but I'm doubtful, and I'm positive that creating a theme is not going to be easier than for Windows, Linux, Mac OS 9, Kaleidoscope, or Mac OS X is now.

New dock, so many new features, split mode, text mode, "start menu" like mode for people who prefer windows. dock is very slick in this version, better than the start menu.

Oh good! Finally an application switcher to end all hierarchal organizers! Oh wait, those are completely different things...

Seriously, the whole concept of the dock was to give novices no question as to what applications they have and how to get to them, whether they are running or not. As much as the docks limits me personally, I think it is the single best thing Apple has done with the GUI. My father has used Macs and Wintels for over a decade, yet the application menu and task bar confuse and irritate the hell out of him. He gets the dock, and so does everone else the moment they see it.

new quicktime, very very nice player, apple went all out! even supports nonstandard divx format and wierd avis, it's new billing will be "anything motion" (not those exact words)

Why would Apple duplicate so much effort to support fundamentally broken files when the only common use for them is piracy and free software already exists that plays, encodes, and decodes them flawlessly already?

new mail.app uses webcore for parsing html/mime email now, much faster and better, offers exchange server support, and many other new features, including a new "view" that looks exactly like outlook 2003 preview for windows. (you can still use old ones) mail is much faster.

Oooh! More options! Give me more options! I need more options!

built in ftp, sftp, scp into the finder connect to server menu.

FTP is already there. There is no write support because FTP requires the entire file be written every time. FTP is not a file system. SFTP is simply FTP tunnelled over SSL, and for the 2 servers in the known universe that use it, implementing it would be a waste of time. SCP doesn't allow for file browsing at all, so I don't see how that would fit with "connect to server"

much improved sharing controls for sharing with windows and unix enviroments, lots of complex options.

OK, Apple, you gave me your options, but they are not complex enough. Please, I need more complex options!!!!!

new built in remote access software, much better and faster than stupid remote access from apple. It reminded me of terminal server for windows. very fast.

How does dialup networking software from OS 9 remind you of high-speed remote graphical login software for Windows?

Blah, blah, blah...

I know, IHBT HAND...

Adam Betts · Apr 20, 2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
First off, what I'm about to say will probably be regarded as BS, lies, and more lies.

This is a BS, lies, and more lies.

Atomic Rooster · Apr 20, 2003, 11:17 PM

boy you guys don't read very close do you...i said it was from another forum...it's not my words!
i emphasized the gui part cuz that's why were here...i wanted to get a discussion going on that...hell i don't know what half the other junk is all about but only included it because it may or may not give credence to what this guy is saying...

so do we want a fully customizeable osx with themes or better theming support or what?

i do and i hope that this part is not horsepucky!

ps...congrats NetworkShadow! you stayed on the theming part!
macmike42 was gunning for a troll and that's what he saw...

::maroma:: · Apr 20, 2003, 11:43 PM

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

I'mDaMac · Apr 21, 2003, 01:05 AM

It would be a bit (not much) more believable if the x86 port wasn't in there. Apple will (and should) NEVER port OS X to Intel. Steve is proud of making the whole widget and I seriously doubt that that will change anytime soon.

Hi I'm Ben · Apr 21, 2003, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by I'mDaMac:
It would be a bit (not much) more believable if the x86 port wasn't in there. Apple will (and should) NEVER port OS X to Intel. Steve is proud of making the whole widget and I seriously doubt that that will change anytime soon.

ya i hope OS X just stays slow.

invisibleX · Apr 21, 2003, 08:54 AM

This person talks as though they've seen all this in action. Not to mention revealed future plans. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt anyone would know about ALL this stuff except an Apple exec.

Of course there is also the fact that much of it is totally moronic.

mrbiiggy2 · Apr 21, 2003, 10:23 AM

Why the hell is this here? It's not really theming. Go away with your BS lies.

Idea: create a new black hole forum where the mods can send BS threads like this

codywalton · Apr 21, 2003, 11:51 AM

don't believe the hype

Adam Betts · Apr 21, 2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by codywalton:
don't believe the hype

We've got a winner here!