[Logic]

Untold stories of those who died during the war on Iraq

Marwa(11), Tabarek(8), and Safia Abbas(5), who were confirmed dead on April 13, lived in the Baghdad suburb of Awa, a working-class area inhabited mainly by poor Shias. The sisters were among the six children of Sindous Abbas, 30, and her husband Saad, 34. "Saad was crazy about them," Sindous told the New York Times. "It wasn't just ordinary love."
On the second day of US bombing, a missile sheared through a thick metal bar of a rooftop sheep pen, through an iron feeding tray, and then through the roof of the Abbas's home. The missile ricocheted off a wall and hit the floor where the Abbas's four daughters were sleeping. One of the girls' legs ended up hanging from the room's ceiling fan. "Even the Israelis don't do things this bad," said a relative. "There is no reason for this. It is a criminal act."

I guess I'm just a bleeding heart liberal. Let's hope the allegations put forth by the US and UK are true

ps. let's keep the pictures out of this thread, OK?

[davesimondotcom]

I especially like the part about how "even the Israelis don't do things this bad..."

Really, I feel bad for this family. I wish there were ways to avoid things like this ever happening.

I wish that people didn't feel the need to strap bombs to their midsections and get on buses full of children.

I wish people didn't feel the need to fly airplanes into large buildings.

I wish that Saddam would have cooperated and none of this would have had to have happened.

[moki]

Originally posted by Logic:
Untold stories of those who died during the war on Iraq

In the interest of balance, care to post some of the untold stories of people who were killed under Saddam's regime as well?

Compassion should be universal.

[Logic]

Originally posted by moki:
In the interest of balance, care to post some of the untold stories of people who were killed under Saddam's regime as well?

Compassion should be universal.

Why won't you in the interest of balance just start another thread about that?
This story is balanced if you look carefully.......

[moki]

Originally posted by Logic:
Why won't you in the interest of balance just start another thread about that?
This story is balanced if you look carefully.......

My point is that disguising political agenda in the name of compassion is disingenuous. There's plenty of incredibly tragic things that have occurred in Iraq for a very long time. Indeed, all over the world, many great tragedies have occurred, and are still occurring right now.

Yet the one you choose to post about represents your opposition to the war in Iraq. If that isn't selective compassion, I don't know what is.

[Logic]

Originally posted by moki:
My point is that disguising political agenda in the name of compassion is disingenuous. There's plenty of incredibly tragic things that have occurred in Iraq for a very long time. Indeed, all over the world, many great tragedies have occurred, and are still occurring right now.

Yet the one you choose to post about represents your opposition to the war in Iraq. If that isn't selective compassion, I don't know what is.

Yes, I'm sure you know how I feel about SH and his past. I'm sure you have detailed descriptions of the attacks on Kurdish villagers back in the 80's. I'm sure you have a couple of Kurdish friends. Don't even try to pin this "selective compassion" on me.

Might I ask you what you did to have an effect on your government at the time SH was trying his WMD's on the Kurds?

Selective compassion, my @ss

[moki]

Originally posted by Logic:
Yes, I'm sure you know how I feel about SH and his past. I'm sure you have detailed descriptions of the attacks on Kurdish villagers back in the 80's. I'm sure you have a couple of Kurdish friends. Don't even try to pin this "selective compassion" on me.

Might I ask you what you did to have an effect on your government at the time SH was trying his WMD's on the Kurds?

Absolutely nothing; I wasn't old enough to vote, nor involved in politics.

...and none of this has anything to do with the point I was raising.

[Logic]

Originally posted by moki:
Absolutely nothing; I wasn't old enough to vote, nor involved in politics.

...and none of this has anything to do with the point I was raising.

You don't have to be old enough to vote to have an effect, you don't have to be involved in politics to have an effect. You only need to let yourself be heard.

Your point was that I'm disingenuous in my compassion for those who lost their lives in this war. That was your whole point.

But clearly you know nothing about me, clearly you have the right to start your own thread to balance this out if you feel uncomfortable. But no, you liked to go after me personally instead.

[Spliffdaddy]

no, you're wrong and you're upset that moki pointed it out in your own thread.

we knew it anyway, so it was redundant - if that matters.

[christ]

Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
I wish that Saddam would have cooperated and none of this would have had to have happened.

"...had to have happened"?

"...had to have happened"?

Where did this imperative come from?

Why would co-operation (presumably regarding the non-existent WMD) have helped with what SH was doing to his people?

[christ]

Originally posted by moki:
In the interest of balance, care to post some of the untold stories of people who were killed under Saddam's regime as well?

Compassion should be universal.

What balance?

These dead Iraqis were directly as a result of allied action. The "people who were killed under Saddam's regime" were not directly as a result of allied action, and only peripherally as a result of allied inaction

How are these even vaguely morally equivalent, let alone 'balancing'?

Why do you feel it necessary to balance something that is not the US's fault against something that most definitely is?

Should also add to the mix all of the other deaths around the world that are due to US inaction. Is that what was meant here?

Or does it mean that every country that has lost one or more people to a perceived (unilaterally by today's US regime) baddie should watch out, because the US is going to kill thousands of them in the name of "balance"?

Remember that there are "people who were killed under <fill in the gap>'s regime" in an awful lot of countries, including the US.

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by Logic:
Untold stories of those who died during the war on Iraq



I guess I'm just a bleeding heart liberal. Let's hope the allegations put forth by the US and UK are true

ps. let's keep the pictures out of this thread, OK?

The bset memorial to the Iraqi soldiers who died under Hussein and the ancillary civilian deaths from the war would be a mushroom cloud hanging over Baghdad.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
The bset memorial to the Iraqi soldiers who died under Hussein and the ancillary civilian deaths from the war would be a mushroom cloud hanging over Baghdad.

not really sure I understand you, here. you think killing everyone is a fitting memorial to those who died Already?

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
The bset memorial to the Iraqi soldiers who died under Hussein and the ancillary civilian deaths from the war would be a mushroom cloud hanging over Baghdad.

I like the way you think.

[christ]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
The bset memorial to the Iraqi soldiers who died under Hussein and the ancillary civilian deaths from the war would be a mushroom cloud hanging over Baghdad.

Now - let's take this one step at a time:

A memorial to "the Iraqi soldiers who died under Hussein"? The ones that were serving their country? I guess that the American soldiers that died 'serving Bush' would deserve a similar memorial to these guys.

The "ancillary civilian deaths" - ancillary to what? Ancillary to "serving Hussain" What does that mean? Ancillary to the war? I agree that these folk may deserve a memorial, in the same way that those that died in the twin towers deserve a memorial.

So we are agreed - both Iraq and the US deserve a similar memorial for (1) soldiers dying serving their country, and (2) 'ancillary' civilians dying.

If you deem a mushroom cloud appropriate, be careful what you wish for, others may agree.

[christ]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I like the way you think.

think?

the original post showed no sign of rational thought.

[Spliffdaddy]

rational thought is for pansies and peaceniks.

if the US had nuked Iraq, then they might not have to nuke the next group of militant *******s that reckon the US lacks resolve.

the problem with rational thought is that the enemy knows your next move...as would the pre-teens that frequent this forum.

sounds like a bad plan for national security.

[christ]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
rational thought ... sounds like a bad plan for national security.

Well said Spliff - it sums up my view of the far right, and has the benefit of being said by you, and therefore must be right, and not by a pinko fag commie liberal, which therefore by definition must be wrong.

I truly, truly hope that you are not representative of other than a tiny minority of Americans.