[AutoJC]

Among other things, he's the KGB's man!

Oh, BTW, Neturei Karta would have us be taken back to tribal practices. I don't agree at all with their agenda.

[lil'babykitten]

Go away.

[Spliffdaddy]

great article, AutoJC

[eklipse]

According to Forbes magazine, he is today the sixth wealthiest among the world's "kings, queens & despots," with more than $300 million stashed in Swiss bank accounts.

Yet for some reason he prefers to stay holed up in the 'fabulous, exquisite, jewel encrusted, golden palace' in Ramallah that he calls his headquarters.

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Yet for some reason he prefers to stay holed up in the 'fabulous, exquisite, jewel encrusted, golden palace' in Ramallah that he calls his headquarters.

Yeah, what's that all about?

It's the only place on earth he can blow silent-but-deadlies in peace.

[version]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
Among other things, he's the KGB's man!

Oh, BTW, Neturei Karta would have us be taken back to tribal practices. I don't agree at all with their agenda.

Who cares? Seems like I've found a little group that gets under your skin; I'm asumign you thought all Jews thought alike, and thought like you in regards to Israel.
But no, many of us are just assceptical of right-wing Chrstians in the States, as we are of anti-Semites. Oh, forogt, right-wing Christians are mostly anti-Semites.

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by version, that sack of scum:
Who cares? Seems like I've found a little group that gets under your skin; I'm asumign you thought all Jews thought alike, and thought like you in regards to Israel.
But no, many of us are just assceptical of right-wing Chrstians in the States, as we are of anti-Semites. Oh, forogt, right-wing Christians are mostly anti-Semites.

The World Church of the Creator got under my skin too.

If you followed my posts you would have seen that I have the deepest respect for Jewish-Americans and Israelis. Your off-handed comments have been reported as an "abuse."

[shmerek]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Go away.

I second that

[version]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
The World Church of the Creator got under my skin too.

If you followed my posts you would have seen that I have the deepest respect for Jewish-Americans and Israelis. Your off-handed comments have been reported as an "abuse."

Another post by the troll in which he avoids what the content of these posts says. I'm reported or abuse? Fantastic, I love it mate, indirect insults on a particular group by me, but your specific name-calling to me (douche bag) seems to avoid your reality check monitor.

Think I'll report you to God for being a moron.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by version:
Oh, forogt, right-wing Christians are mostly anti-Semites.

Actually that isn't true.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by version:
Another post by the troll in which he avoids what the content of these posts says. I'm reported or abuse? Fantastic, I love it mate, indirect insults on a particular group by me, but your specific name-calling to me (douche bag) seems to avoid your reality check monitor.

Think I'll report you to God for being a moron.

version you have no room to talk. Really.

And yes. Arafat is a big pig dog.

[version]

And yet you defend Autojackoff when he calls me scum bag, and critise me for calling him a moron? hyporcitical me thinks.

[daimoni]

.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by version:
And yet you defend Autojackoff when he calls me scum bag, and critise me for calling him a moron? hyporcitical me thinks.

Naw because you usually attack him first.

JC hadn't said a word to kitten and she started hissing and honking

There is a difference.

[version]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Naw because you usually attack him first.

JC hadn't said a word to kitten and she started hissing and honking

There is a difference.

No true Zimphire, and you know that. In this thread alone, he called me a scum bag first, then douche bag later. In the very beginning, he took my general posts personally and resorted to derogative terms first. I can show you all the posts in which he started it first. My point being, you're coming down on me for language I use against him, but I've yet to see you criticise him for actually doing the same, and in regards to doing it first to me. Now that isn't very Christian.

[Spheric Harlot]

version:

how many ****ing times does the "ignore" function need to be pointed out to you?

-s*

[shmerek]

[irrelevant post]My theory AutoJC=jacket or mattM whatever his name was. [/irrelevant post]

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by version:
No true Zimphire, and you know that. In this thread alone, he called me a scum bag first, then douche bag later. In the very beginning, he took my general posts personally and resorted to derogative terms first. I can show you all the posts in which he started it first. My point being, you're coming down on me for language I use against him, but I've yet to see you criticise him for actually doing the same, and in regards to doing it first to me. Now that isn't very Christian.

Version you started on him from the beginning. The innocent victim approach doesn't work well with you. And you know little of what I have said to JC.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
version:

how many ****ing times does the "ignore" function need to be pointed out to you?

-s*

Spheric how many times are you going to keep repeating the same post over and over again like a mindless robot?

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
version:

how many ****ing times does the "ignore" function need to be pointed out to you?

-s*

.......especially since I used it on him.

vmarks emailed me recently, warning me about version. Gee, I wonder why he's so pissed at me?

Sore loser.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
.......especially since I used it on him.

vmarks emailed me recently, warning me about version. Gee, I wonder why he's so pissed at me?

Sore loser.

Did you really need warned?

[version]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Version you started on him from the beginning. The innocent victim approach doesn't work well with you. And you know little of what I have said to JC.

Pure crap mate, go look back. I was tlaking to people in this forum, when auto came in and threw the mud my way, personally. I've re-read it all, and he started it all first.

[version]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
.......especially since I used it on him.

vmarks emailed me recently, warning me about version. Gee, I wonder why he's so pissed at me?

Sore loser.

I'm not the loser, since you put me on iggie, then took me off, what';s wrong? couldn't handle being corrected all the time?

I wish vmarks had the balls to tlak to me personally, rather than warnign folks behind my back. Tells me quite a lot that.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by version:
Pure crap mate, go look back. I was tlaking to people in this forum, when auto came in and threw the mud my way, personally. I've re-read it all, and he started it all first.

I am not just talking about THIS THREAD. I am talking OVER ALL.

[Spliffdaddy]

I bet it's because AutoJC keeps winning the debates without having to call people names. Otherwise he would be banned for being so effective against liberal peaceniks. He'll probably be banned anyway - in an effort to prevent having to ban the 3 people that support the admin's viewpoint (while not following the rules).

See how this works?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I bet it's because AutoJC keeps winning the debates without having to call people names. Otherwise he would be banned for being so effective against liberal peaceniks. He'll probably be banned anyway - in an effort to prevent having to ban the 3 people that support the admin's viewpoint (while not following the rules).

See how this works?

Fact is, people don't go off and get pissy about someone that doesn't make a point.

[version]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am not just talking about THIS THREAD. I am talking OVER ALL.

What does overall have to do witht Auto taking personal swipes at me, which was the issue here, and nothign else. So you're backing off from the fact that it was auto who first of all took swipes at me? typical

[version]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I bet it's because AutoJC keeps winning the debates without having to call people names. Otherwise he would be banned for being so effective against liberal peaceniks. He'll probably be banned anyway - in an effort to prevent having to ban the 3 people that support the admin's viewpoint (while not following the rules).

See how this works?

Lol, yo uare kidding, winning? he ran from the sabra and shattila debate, want me to demonsrate the other ones?

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by version:
I'm not the loser, since you put me on iggie, then took me off, what';s wrong? couldn't handle being corrected all the time?

I wish vmarks had the balls to tlak to me personally, rather than warnign folks behind my back. Tells me quite a lot that.

who mentioned vmarks?

I saw the warning. vmarks didn't send it.


More to the point...why did the administrator see fit to warn the victim instead of the attacker? I know why. Because the attacker shares the same point of view as the admin - and therefore is granted more leeway in breaking the rules.

*direct hit*


Let's ask the victim to stop provoking himself into being attacked (ie, stop winning debates). Makes perfect sense.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by version:
What does overall have to do witht Auto taking personal swipes at me, which was the issue here, and nothign else. So you're backing off from the fact that it was auto who first of all took swipes at me? typical

No, you aren't reading my posts correctly.

I said you over all, meaning not just in this thread, started taking swipes at JC first.

Read --> Comprehend --> Reply.

Follow those steps.

[lil'babykitten]

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:

Keep up your flaming kitten, you wont be posting here soon.

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
who mentioned vmarks?

I saw the warning. vmarks didn't send it.


More to the point...why did the administrator see fit to warn the victim instead of the attacker? I know why. Because the attacker shares the same point of view as the admin - and therefore is granted more leeway in breaking the rules.

*direct hit*


Let's ask the victim to stop provoking himself into being attacked (ie, stop winning debates). Makes perfect sense.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
More to the point...why did the administrator see fit to warn the victim instead of the attacker? I know why. Because the attacker shares the same point of view as the admin - and therefore is granted more leeway in breaking the rules.

*direct hit*

Strangely enough, they seem to be handling Kevin similarly.

So they agree with his POVs, too?

All at the same time?

You've hit something, Spliffy, but I'm not sure it's anybody else's foot bleeding, there.

-s*

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:

Let's ask the victim to stop provoking himself into being attacked (ie, stop winning debates). Makes perfect sense.

Heh. This has more truth to it than you think.

People don't get angry unless they are being proved wrong.

You'll see sure sign when they start posts off with "What are you stupid!?" or something of the like.

It's a sure sign you are hitting pretty close to the mark.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Strangely enough, they seem to be handling Kevin similarly.

They aren't giving me special treatment. That is if you were referring to me.

I get private messages from admins usually daily. And I have been banned from here before.

Now has version or kitten? No. That does say a lot. Considering both those two are far more trollish and personally attack people than I am /have.

But kitten been stepping in the bannination box here lately. We will see.

[Spliffdaddy]

*high-fives his right-wing counterparts*

We're winning.

Else we wouldn't need to be silenced.

As long as our opponents fight with slurs and name-calling instead of facts and well-reasoned opinion, then we'll keep right on winning.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
*high-fives his right-wing counterparts*

We're winning.

Else we wouldn't need to be silenced.

As long as our opponents fight with slurs and name-calling instead of facts and well-reasoned opinion, then we'll keep right on winning.

Don't forget biased sites that post FUD. That is their major weapon.

Ones that usually bring the chuckles out.

[moki]

Too bad this thread got de-railed by personal attacks/squabbles. The article is indeed interesting:

.....

The KGB's Man

By ION MIHAI PACEPA

The Israeli government has vowed to expel Yasser Arafat, calling him an "obstacle" to peace. But the 72-year-old Palestinian leader is much more than that; he is a career terrorist, trained, armed and bankrolled by the Soviet Union and its satellites for decades.

Before I defected to America from Romania, leaving my post as chief of Romanian intelligence, I was responsible for giving Arafat about $200,000 in laundered cash every month throughout the 1970s. I also sent two cargo planes to Beirut a week, stuffed with uniforms and supplies. Other Soviet bloc states did much the same. Terrorism has been extremely profitable for Arafat. According to Forbes magazine, he is today the sixth wealthiest among the world's "kings, queens & despots," with more than $300 million stashed in Swiss bank accounts.

* * *

"I invented the hijackings [of passenger planes]," Arafat bragged when I first met him at his PLO headquarters in Beirut in the early 1970s. He gestured toward the little red flags pinned on a wall map of the world that labeled Israel as "Palestine." "There they all are!" he told me, proudly. The dubious honor of inventing hijacking actually goes to the KGB, which first hijacked a U.S. passenger plane in 1960 to Communist Cuba. Arafat's innovation was the suicide bomber, a terror concept that would come to full flower on 9/11.

In 1972, the Kremlin put Arafat and his terror networks high on all Soviet bloc intelligence services' priority list, including mine. Bucharest's role was to ingratiate him with the White House. We were the bloc experts at this. We'd already had great success in making Washington -- as well as most of the fashionable left-leaning American academics of the day -- believe that Nicolae Ceausescu was, like Josip Broz Tito, an "independent" Communist with a "moderate" streak.

KGB chairman Yuri Andropov in February 1972 laughed to me about the Yankee gullibility for celebrities. We'd outgrown Stalinist cults of personality, but those crazy Americans were still naïve enough to revere national leaders. We would make Arafat into just such a figurehead and gradually move the PLO closer to power and statehood. Andropov thought that Vietnam-weary Americans would snatch at the smallest sign of conciliation to promote Arafat from terrorist to statesman in their hopes for peace.

Right after that meeting, I was given the KGB's "personal file" on Arafat. He was an Egyptian bourgeois turned into a devoted Marxist by KGB foreign intelligence. The KGB had trained him at its Balashikha special-ops school east of Moscow and in the mid-1960s decided to groom him as the future PLO leader. First, the KGB destroyed the official records of Arafat's birth in Cairo, replacing them with fictitious documents saying that he had been born in Jerusalem and was therefore a Palestinian by birth.

The KGB's disinformation department then went to work on Arafat's four-page tract called "Falastinuna" (Our Palestine), turning it into a 48-page monthly magazine for the Palestinian terrorist organization al-Fatah. Arafat had headed al-Fatah since 1957. The KGB distributed it throughout the Arab world and in West Germany, which in those days played host to many Palestinian students. The KGB was adept at magazine publication and distribution; it had many similar periodicals in various languages for its front organizations in Western Europe, like the World Peace Council and the World Federation of Trade Unions.

Next, the KGB gave Arafat an ideology and an image, just as it did for loyal Communists in our international front organizations. High-minded idealism held no mass-appeal in the Arab world, so the KGB remolded Arafat as a rabid anti-Zionist. They also selected a "personal hero" for him -- the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, the man who visited Auschwitz in the late 1930s and reproached the Germans for not having killed even more Jews. In 1985 Arafat paid homage to the mufti, saying he was "proud no end" to be walking in his footsteps.

Arafat was an important undercover operative for the KGB. Right after the 1967 Six Day Arab-Israeli war, Moscow got him appointed to chairman of the PLO. Egyptian ruler Gamal Abdel Nasser, a Soviet puppet, proposed the appointment. In 1969 the KGB asked Arafat to declare war on American "imperial-Zionism" during the first summit of the Black Terrorist International, a neo-Fascist pro-Palestine organization financed by the KGB and Libya's Moammar Gadhafi. It appealed to him so much, Arafat later claimed to have invented the imperial-Zionist battle cry. But in fact, "imperial-Zionism" was a Moscow invention, a modern adaptation of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," and long a favorite tool of Russian intelligence to foment ethnic hatred. The KGB always regarded anti-Semitism plus anti-imperialism as a rich source of anti-Americanism.

The KGB file on Arafat also said that in the Arab world only people who were truly good at deception could achieve high status. We Romanians were directed to help Arafat improve "his extraordinary talent for deceiving." The KGB chief of foreign intelligence, General Aleksandr Sakharovsky, ordered us to provide cover for Arafat's terror operations, while at the same time building up his international image. "Arafat is a brilliant stage manager," his letter concluded, "and we should put him to good use." In March 1978 I secretly brought Arafat to Bucharest for final instructions on how to behave in Washington. "You simply have to keep on pretending that you'll break with terrorism and that you'll recognize Israel -- over, and over, and over," Ceausescu told him for the umpteenth time. Ceausescu was euphoric over the prospect that both Arafat and he might be able to snag a Nobel Peace Prize with their fake displays of the olive branch.

In April 1978 I accompanied Ceausescu to Washington, where he charmed President Carter. Arafat, he urged, would transform his brutal PLO into a law-abiding government-in-exile if only the U.S. would establish official relations. The meeting was a great success for us. Carter hailed Ceausescu, dictator of the most repressive police state in Eastern Europe, as a "great national and international leader" who had "taken on a role of leadership in the entire international community." Triumphant, Ceausescu brought home a joint communiqué in which the American president stated that his friendly relations with Ceausescu served "the cause of the world."

* * *

Three months later I was granted political asylum by the U.S. Ceausescu failed to get his Nobel Peace Prize. But in 1994 Arafat got his -- all because he continued to play the role we had given him to perfection. He had transformed his terrorist PLO into a government-in-exile (the Palestinian Authority), always pretending to call a halt to Palestinian terrorism while letting it continue unabated. Two years after signing the Oslo Accords, the number of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorists had risen by 73%.

On Oct. 23, 1998, President Clinton concluded his public remarks to Arafat by thanking him for "decades and decades and decades of tireless representation of the longing of the Palestinian people to be free, self-sufficient, and at home." The current administration sees through Arafat's charade but will not publicly support his expulsion. Meanwhile, the aging terrorist has consolidated his control over the Palestinian Authority and marshaled his young followers for more suicide attacks.

Mr. Pacepa was the highest ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. The author of "Red Horizons" (Regnery, 1987), he is finishing a book on the origins of current anti-Americanism

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by moki:
Too bad this thread got de-railed by personal attacks/squabbles. The article is indeed interesting:

.....

The KGB's Man

By ION MIHAI PACEPA

The Israeli government has vowed to expel Yasser Arafat, calling him an "obstacle" to peace. But the 72-year-old Palestinian leader is much more than that; he is a career terrorist, trained, armed and bankrolled by the Soviet Union and its satellites for decades.

Before I defected to America from Romania, leaving my post as chief of Romanian intelligence, I was responsible for giving Arafat about $200,000 in laundered cash every month throughout the 1970s. I also sent two cargo planes to Beirut a week, stuffed with uniforms and supplies. Other Soviet bloc states did much the same. Terrorism has been extremely profitable for Arafat. According to Forbes magazine, he is today the sixth wealthiest among the world's "kings, queens & despots," with more than $300 million stashed in Swiss bank accounts.

* * *

"I invented the hijackings [of passenger planes]," Arafat bragged when I first met him at his PLO headquarters in Beirut in the early 1970s. He gestured toward the little red flags pinned on a wall map of the world that labeled Israel as "Palestine." "There they all are!" he told me, proudly. The dubious honor of inventing hijacking actually goes to the KGB, which first hijacked a U.S. passenger plane in 1960 to Communist Cuba. Arafat's innovation was the suicide bomber, a terror concept that would come to full flower on 9/11.

In 1972, the Kremlin put Arafat and his terror networks high on all Soviet bloc intelligence services' priority list, including mine. Bucharest's role was to ingratiate him with the White House. We were the bloc experts at this. We'd already had great success in making Washington -- as well as most of the fashionable left-leaning American academics of the day -- believe that Nicolae Ceausescu was, like Josip Broz Tito, an "independent" Communist with a "moderate" streak.

KGB chairman Yuri Andropov in February 1972 laughed to me about the Yankee gullibility for celebrities. We'd outgrown Stalinist cults of personality, but those crazy Americans were still naïve enough to revere national leaders. We would make Arafat into just such a figurehead and gradually move the PLO closer to power and statehood. Andropov thought that Vietnam-weary Americans would snatch at the smallest sign of conciliation to promote Arafat from terrorist to statesman in their hopes for peace.

Right after that meeting, I was given the KGB's "personal file" on Arafat. He was an Egyptian bourgeois turned into a devoted Marxist by KGB foreign intelligence. The KGB had trained him at its Balashikha special-ops school east of Moscow and in the mid-1960s decided to groom him as the future PLO leader. First, the KGB destroyed the official records of Arafat's birth in Cairo, replacing them with fictitious documents saying that he had been born in Jerusalem and was therefore a Palestinian by birth.

The KGB's disinformation department then went to work on Arafat's four-page tract called "Falastinuna" (Our Palestine), turning it into a 48-page monthly magazine for the Palestinian terrorist organization al-Fatah. Arafat had headed al-Fatah since 1957. The KGB distributed it throughout the Arab world and in West Germany, which in those days played host to many Palestinian students. The KGB was adept at magazine publication and distribution; it had many similar periodicals in various languages for its front organizations in Western Europe, like the World Peace Council and the World Federation of Trade Unions.

Next, the KGB gave Arafat an ideology and an image, just as it did for loyal Communists in our international front organizations. High-minded idealism held no mass-appeal in the Arab world, so the KGB remolded Arafat as a rabid anti-Zionist. They also selected a "personal hero" for him -- the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, the man who visited Auschwitz in the late 1930s and reproached the Germans for not having killed even more Jews. In 1985 Arafat paid homage to the mufti, saying he was "proud no end" to be walking in his footsteps.

Arafat was an important undercover operative for the KGB. Right after the 1967 Six Day Arab-Israeli war, Moscow got him appointed to chairman of the PLO. Egyptian ruler Gamal Abdel Nasser, a Soviet puppet, proposed the appointment. In 1969 the KGB asked Arafat to declare war on American "imperial-Zionism" during the first summit of the Black Terrorist International, a neo-Fascist pro-Palestine organization financed by the KGB and Libya's Moammar Gadhafi. It appealed to him so much, Arafat later claimed to have invented the imperial-Zionist battle cry. But in fact, "imperial-Zionism" was a Moscow invention, a modern adaptation of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," and long a favorite tool of Russian intelligence to foment ethnic hatred. The KGB always regarded anti-Semitism plus anti-imperialism as a rich source of anti-Americanism.

The KGB file on Arafat also said that in the Arab world only people who were truly good at deception could achieve high status. We Romanians were directed to help Arafat improve "his extraordinary talent for deceiving." The KGB chief of foreign intelligence, General Aleksandr Sakharovsky, ordered us to provide cover for Arafat's terror operations, while at the same time building up his international image. "Arafat is a brilliant stage manager," his letter concluded, "and we should put him to good use." In March 1978 I secretly brought Arafat to Bucharest for final instructions on how to behave in Washington. "You simply have to keep on pretending that you'll break with terrorism and that you'll recognize Israel -- over, and over, and over," Ceausescu told him for the umpteenth time. Ceausescu was euphoric over the prospect that both Arafat and he might be able to snag a Nobel Peace Prize with their fake displays of the olive branch.

In April 1978 I accompanied Ceausescu to Washington, where he charmed President Carter. Arafat, he urged, would transform his brutal PLO into a law-abiding government-in-exile if only the U.S. would establish official relations. The meeting was a great success for us. Carter hailed Ceausescu, dictator of the most repressive police state in Eastern Europe, as a "great national and international leader" who had "taken on a role of leadership in the entire international community." Triumphant, Ceausescu brought home a joint communiqué in which the American president stated that his friendly relations with Ceausescu served "the cause of the world."

* * *

Three months later I was granted political asylum by the U.S. Ceausescu failed to get his Nobel Peace Prize. But in 1994 Arafat got his -- all because he continued to play the role we had given him to perfection. He had transformed his terrorist PLO into a government-in-exile (the Palestinian Authority), always pretending to call a halt to Palestinian terrorism while letting it continue unabated. Two years after signing the Oslo Accords, the number of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorists had risen by 73%.

On Oct. 23, 1998, President Clinton concluded his public remarks to Arafat by thanking him for "decades and decades and decades of tireless representation of the longing of the Palestinian people to be free, self-sufficient, and at home." The current administration sees through Arafat's charade but will not publicly support his expulsion. Meanwhile, the aging terrorist has consolidated his control over the Palestinian Authority and marshaled his young followers for more suicide attacks.

Mr. Pacepa was the highest ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. The author of "Red Horizons" (Regnery, 1987), he is finishing a book on the origins of current anti-Americanism

It sure is.

Blame Version for the derailment- what we call on other forums a "hijack".

[moki]

Originally posted by AutoJC:
It sure is.

Blame Version for the derailment- what we call on other forums a "hijack".

I wonder if any of the pro-Palestinian/anti-Sharon crowd will address the issues this article raises?

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by moki:
I wonder if any of the pro-Palestinian/anti-Sharon crowd will address the issues this article raises?

What issues?

Sharon and Arafat are both terrorists.

There's nothing else to it.

It goes back to the cold war. Israel had US backing, Arafat naturally got Russian backing.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
It goes back to the cold war. Israel had US backing, Arafat naturally got Russian backing.

no, that's not all there is to it, Robert. Your summary is really a ruthless and pathetic gutting of the article.

Arafat was created by the KGB. He is in effect a crook and a fraud. His image and actions were carefully managed by the KGB to dupe the West and further the agenda of the Soviet Union.

[moki]

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
Arafat was created by the KGB. He is in effect a crook and a fraud. His image and actions were carefully managed by the KGB to dupe the West and further the agenda of the Soviet Union.

Indeed, he isn't even Palestinian, it appears...

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
no, that's not all there is to it, Robert. Your summary is really a ruthless and pathetic gutting of the article.

Arafat was created by the KGB. He is in effect a crook and a fraud. His image and actions were carefully managed by the KGB to dupe the West and further the agenda of the Soviet Union.

whaaaaa?

The KGB was told to infultrate and takeover the Arab countries. They were rich in oil, which would benifit the communists and harm the US.

"Creating" or supporting Arafat wasn't their intent. He stood between them and what they wanted.

Israel and the Russians had something in common. A hatred of muslims, and a need to eraticate them. Russia wanted Afganistan, and several of the other arab nations. They had natural resources, and were key in creating a buffer between them and the west.


Israel sided with the US for military/financial reasons.

This left Russia to make a choice. Team with the Palestinians, or face not having any coverage on a whole front of the war. A very important front, as both sides required oil to stay in the cold war.

Russia would have benefited from siding with Israel. Israel was the US foothold giving us the ability to be within strinking distance from yet another angle.

Having Israel would also allow Russia to have a foothold on the middle-east, and bully with threats to control our oil supply.


Israel and Russia would have made great partners. They had the same needs and desires. Both wanted more of a buffer, both wanted control of oil fields in the region.

Since Israel was a US ally, they chose the Palestinians, to keep the heat on Israel.

It was no longer a useful front with anything to benefit from (on the Russian side of it), but at least it was distracted so it couldn't do any harm.

Stalemate is better than loss.


Arafat was rising to power well before the Russians even had the region on their radar. They had nothing to do with him getting where he is. They just contributed cash.

The US did the same to Sharon and his buddies.

[Uday's Carcass]

holy mother of Allah, Robert. I haven't read such shite in centuries.

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
"Creating" or supporting Arafat wasn't their intent. He stood between them and what they wanted.

read the freaking article. The KGB created Arafat out of thin air.

Israel and the Russians had something in common. A hatred of muslims, and a need to eraticate them.

It was the Soviet Union back then, Robert, and the Soviets had millions of Muslims in Central Asia. It didn't go around eradicating its own Muslim populations. It's ridiculous and idiotic to state that they wanted to exert so much effort simply to 'eradicate' them. The Soviets were doing backflips to curry favour with Muslim countries--Egypt under Nasser comes to mind. It was never about hating Muslims. It was about getting as many on your 'side' as possible.

Russia wanted Afganistan, and several of the other arab nations. They had natural resources, and were key in creating a buffer between them and the west.

Poor ignorant infidel. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan to prop up the puppet government they installed, not because they wanted that piece of crap territory. Additionally, the Soviets never made any serious moves to invade or occupy Arab countries. And as far as a buffer: that was created by the Warsaw Pact countries in the West--the direction from which invasions had come in the last couple of centuries. There was no need for buffers in other parts. Just look at the geography and history--buffer countries elsewhere were nonaligned or hostile to the West during the Cold War, and the geography was totally different. In Europe it is mainly flat, and invasions were comparatively easy compared to the harsh climate, mountains and deserts of the Soviet Union's other borders.

Israel sided with the US for military/financial reasons.

You do not understand the history of modern Israel. It got its initial and significant military aid from the French until the 1960s, and aid from the US until then was extremely low. Shortly before the 1967 '6-day' war, France initiated an arms embargo against Israel. It was only with swift military aid by the Great Satan that Israel defeated the Arab armies. Israel and the US became partners for various reasons. So Israel didn't side with the US as much as the US sided with Israel. And it's not like Israel was going to seek support from the Soviets--as you should know, Robert, the Soviet Union wasn't very nice to Jews.

This left Russia to make a choice. Team with the Palestinians, or face not having any coverage on a whole front of the war. A very important front, as both sides required oil to stay in the cold war.

I can't even decipher this junk, but I'll try to make some sense of it. The Soviets had plenty of 'coverage' in the region and during all Arab-Israeli wars. They were the world's largest supplier of arms, and the principle suppliers to Syria and Egypet--two habitual combatants. In fact, when Israel destroyed Egypts air force on the ground, Nasser whined and complained to the Soviets, and they replaced the decimated Egyptian air force. Additionally, it was routine for Soviet personnel to man certain weapons systems (like SAMs) sold or given to Arab countries. Don't be duped, infidels. The Soviets had plenty of 'coverage'--Robert is again speaking out of his anus.

Russia would have benefited from siding with Israel. Israel was the US foothold giving us the ability to be within strinking distance from yet another angle.

blah blah barf. The status quo of mutual assured destruction (MAD) ensured that no superpower would dominate the Middle East through conquest. You fool yourself if your analysis leads you to think that the Soviets or the US wanted to use Israel as a foothold to take over the Middle East.

Having Israel would also allow Russia to have a foothold on the middle-east, and bully with threats to control our oil supply.

no, no, no. The Soviets already had plenty of footholds by way of their military support. And Arab countries were never the lackies of the Soviets. Threats on the oil supply always came from Arab hatred for US assistance to Israel (as was demonstrated by the oil embargo following the 1967 Six-Day War).

They had nothing to do with him getting where he is. They just contributed cash.

Read the article, genius.

Now that I have utterly destroyed your post, we can continue with this tiresome flame-fest.

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That would qualify as a smackdown if the original opinions had any merit.

As usual, it was nothing but words that formed sentences - easy to shoot down...and probably not worth anyone's time. I refer you to the 'marijuana thread' for the holy grail of senseless babble. Compared to that one, the one up there didn't even rank on the BS scale.

Apparently, an opinion lacking any sort of facts.

Didn't someone suggest that those sort of posts should contain the phrase, "in my opinion"?