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AutoJC · Sep 24, 2003, 10:16 AM

Schroeder vows support for rebuilding Iraq

How about YOU, France?

eklipse · Sep 24, 2003, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by AutoJC:
How about YOU, France?

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=178112

villalobos · Sep 24, 2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by AutoJC:
Schroeder vows support for rebuilding Iraq

How about YOU, France?

The funny thing is that Schroeder's Germany and government have had a much tougher stance on the US and the war than the French (remember the Hitler/Bush analogy from one of Schroeder's minister) but people seem much eager to forgive them than they would forgive the French.
I know Schroeder will do whatever it takes but still.... I would be interested in seeing what his people think about this last reversal.

villa

spacefreak · Sep 24, 2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by villalobos:
The funny thing is that Schroeder's Germany and government have had a much tougher stance on the US and the war than the French (remember the Hitler/Bush analogy from one of Schroeder's minister) but people seem much eager to forgive them than they would forgive the French.

Dissent is not the problem. It's France's active undermining and rabid campaigning against the US that troubles its citizens.

thunderous_funker · Sep 24, 2003, 05:47 PM

I don't think Shroeder has promised what you think he has promised. This looks like a simple reconcilliation of diplomatic relations. Germany isn't committing troops or withdrawing it's support for the French position of demanding a more "realistic timetable" for returning sovereignty to Iraq.

Its nice they are talking again, but I wouldn't say Germany is "onboard" just yet.

Face Ache · Sep 24, 2003, 07:12 PM

So Germany is going to help bail the Americans out. Good for them.

I'd imagine the rednecks here will see it as jumping on the bandwagon, which is a pity.

Zimphire · Sep 24, 2003, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Face Ache:
So Germany is going to help bail the Americans out. Good for them.

I'd imagine the rednecks here will see it as jumping on the bandwagon, which is a pity.

Bail us out!? LOL!!

Take off your tin foil hat bub.

Good for Germany. I have found respect for them again.

I doubt you'll see any French with guts like that.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 24, 2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
I don't think Shroeder has promised what you think he has promised. This looks like a simple reconcilliation of diplomatic relations. Germany isn't committing troops or withdrawing it's support for the French position of demanding a more "realistic timetable" for returning sovereignty to Iraq.

Bingo.

Really, there's no reason to stop hating us.

-s*

villalobos · Sep 24, 2003, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Good for Germany. I have found respect for them again.

I am sure there will be wild celebrations auf den Strassen in Deutschland following this declaration. Thanks Zimph'

villa

Zimphire · Sep 24, 2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by villalobos:
I am sure there will be wild celebrations auf den Strassen in Deutschland following this declaration. Thanks Zimph'

villa

I am sure there will be. Germany hasn't been the same since it got it rear handed to them in WWII.

Spliffdaddy · Sep 24, 2003, 10:28 PM

We should wait for France to offer their assistance, as well.

Then we should decline their help.

*SMACKDOWN*

villalobos · Sep 25, 2003, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
We should wait for France to offer their assistance, as well.

Then we should decline their help.

*SMACKDOWN*

Yeah yeah, but remember beggers can't be choosers.

villa

Powerbook · Sep 25, 2003, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am sure there will be. Germany hasn't been the same since it got it rear handed to them in WWII.

Yeahr! Where are those Nazis when you need them? Where is Zimbecile's brain when he needs one? Questions unsolved forever!

PB.

Powerbook · Sep 25, 2003, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Bail us out!? LOL!!

Take off your tin foil hat bub.

Good for Germany. I have found respect for them again.

I doubt you'll see any French with guts like that.

Never!!! Teh french are just cowards entrenched in their country and waving their flag! They would never step outside!
You.know.jack.

PB.

Powerbook · Sep 25, 2003, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
We should wait for France to offer their assistance, as well.

Then we should decline their help.

*SMACKDOWN*

Boy this would show them. Imagine that:
Yourlikes: "Now listen you monkeys! We are so proud we just want our own soldiers dying for nuthin'"
French: "As you wish!"

Really a sort of "SMACKDOWN" the 300++ families with dead members would appreciate!
:-P
PB.

Troll · Sep 25, 2003, 07:36 AM

Two things:

1) Germany expressly excluded any military assistance to the US.
2) France beat Germany to it by one day, saying on Monday that it wouldn't exercise its veto.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 25, 2003, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by villalobos:
Yeah yeah, but remember beggers can't be choosers.

villa

*SMACKDOWN*

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 08:14 AM

No one was begging.

*SMACKDOWN*

Spliffdaddy · Sep 25, 2003, 08:20 AM

Did somebody suggest that America actually needed the help of France and Germany?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

not in this lifetime.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 25, 2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Did somebody suggest that America actually needed the help of France and Germany?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

not in this lifetime.

Why exactly was Bush at the UN the other day again?

Jog my memory.

-s*

Spliffdaddy · Sep 25, 2003, 08:31 AM

It wasn't because America needed the help of France and Germany - or the UN.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 08:34 AM

They were trying to make it a world wide effort. It wasn't because they NEEDED help.

version · Sep 25, 2003, 08:35 AM

Just take a look at yourselves, and listen to what you're saying. you talk like the US has this god given right to do whatever it pleases, and damn those who disagree. France has the balls to stand up against the US, and good for them, and their citizens.

Spliffguy, quit the dope, you sound like a prick.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 25, 2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
It wasn't because America needed the help of France and Germany - or the UN.

The US appears to be the only country that believes this.

Trust me, the rest of the world is not so gullible.

-s*

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by version:
Just take a look at yourselves, and listen to what you're saying. you talk like the US has this god given right to do whatever it pleases, and damn those who disagree. France has the balls to stand up against the US, and good for them, and their citizens.

No, we aren't saying that at all.

Spliffguy, quit the dope, you sound like a prick.

What's your excuse?

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
The US appears to be the only country that believes this.

More nonsense.

Trust me, the rest of the world is not so gullible.

-s*

It has nothing to do with being gullible. But that was a nice projection.

OreoCookie · Sep 25, 2003, 10:04 AM

Well, Bush really needs to do something to share the burden (in terms of costs). That's why he's so nice to Schroeder. As we have seen (e. g. in Evian), he seems to prefer even Chirac.

But Germany is the more potent partner (in terms of money and attitude). Germany will still not dispatch any troops to Iraq, and it will continue to press for an `even more vital' role of the UN.

Of course, Germany has been helping the US all along, quietly of course. German troops are still in Afghanistan, soon to be deployed in the outback. It's not like we haven't been on the King of Gas Guzzler Driver's agenda.

My guess is that the German government uses the chance to influence the US's foreign politics in Germany's favor. Bush's position is continually weakening, his reelection is in danger, so he has to fight the exploding budget, the loss of international support (yeah, yeah, Britain is with you ...), and the some positive news. The Aces Of Spade (Hussein and Bin Laden) are still out there ...

Troll · Sep 25, 2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by OreoCookie:
Well, Bush really needs to do something to share the burden (in terms of costs). That's why he's so nice to Schroeder. As we have seen (e. g. in Evian), he seems to prefer even Chirac.

Agreed. He has Congress calling his people liars without planning, Bremer getting all red-faced and angry at the barrage, Senate talling him to pass the collection plate 'round the UN and local approval ratings at an all time low. Some of the retards on this board don't see the difference between Bush and the USA. It's not so much that the *USA* needs help and it's not so much that people don't like Americans; it's that *GW Bush* needs help, it's that people don't like HIM.

I think the agenda of countries like France and Germany is to quiten tensions with the USA down as they watch Bush slip off the chessboard. They know full well that Iraq is not going to fix itself before the elections and that if Iraq is a mess, Americans will vote for someone who promises a larger role for the UN and cooperation generally. Someone who rejects isolationism, the use of peremptory force - all of the things that are at the core of this spat. The Peace Alliance's stance on the war has already been vindicated irrespective of how many times Bush and his poodle say they did the right thing. The Peace Alliance leaders have gained respect not only within their electorates but within the USA. They will play nicely with the Bush at a rhetorical level and do as little as possible on the ground in Iraq. Bush can't force them to get involved and blaming them for the problem when they are ostensibly working with him is not going to deflect homegrown resentment for his policies. Iraq will be a mess and Bush will get kicked out - just like his Daddy. Hopefully someone who isn't a crackhead, financial failure, alcoholic, lying, draft dodger will get the job in his stead and we'll all live happily ever after.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 10:40 AM

Fast Foward a year.

Bush is reelected, Troll goes into hiding.

Troll · Sep 25, 2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Fast Foward a year.

Bush is reelected, Troll goes into hiding.

So long as they let people like you vote, I wouldn't be surprised if he were reelected! I think some people would vote for him even if monkeys did start flying out of his butt on live TV.

I wasn't predicting the election outcome. I was merely telling you what game I think the Peace Alliance is playing. They're hoping he'll be gone next election. Of course, if Bush is still there come next year, then they just carry on playing the same game for another 4 years. Tying the US up in Iraq is the best scenario they can imagine at this point. So long as they can do that without hurting their reputation amongst the bulk of Americans, all's well that ends badly.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Troll:
So long as they let people like you vote, I wouldn't be surprised if he were reelected!

Troll · Sep 25, 2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Oh my God, there's a whole race of you? Explains the post count I guess.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Troll:
Oh my God, there's a whole race of you? Explains the post count I guess.

You said people like me.

Troll · 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
You said people like me.

Did I say people who have the same colour skin as you? Hint: The answer to that question is the same as the answer I'd get if I asked you if you were a retard.

Here's what I meant - As long as they let people (like you) who support George Bush irrespective of what he says or does, vote, then I wouldn't be surprised if he were reelected.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Troll:
Did I say people who have the same colour skin as you? Hint: The answer to that question is the same as the answer I'd get if I asked you if you were a retard.

Here's what I meant - As long as they let people (like you) who support George Bush irrespective of what he says or does, vote, then I wouldn't be surprised if he were reelected.

Heh according to version and lilkitten's def of racism, that is still racism.

Troll · Sep 25, 2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Heh according to version and lilkitten's def of racism, that is still racism.

I tell you what, why don't you go to Google Images and find all the pictures you can, photoshop "Racist" onto each of them and post them one after the other in this thread. Wouldn't that be fun?

Then the adults can move into another thread and have an adult conversation.