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AutoJC · Sep 24, 2003, 12:22 PM

Some War on Terrorism America is fighting, huh?

Our one ally against Muslim terrorism, and we are practically sowing the seeds to their demise.

Why bother paying them 3 billion a year in foreign aid, so they can lay down while a barrage of terrorist suicide bombers and truck and car bombs continues to assault Israel?

BTW, I hold this against every administration since Carter. Our policy regarding Israel is definitely afoul.

eklipse · Sep 24, 2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by AutoJC:
Our one ally against Muslim terrorism, and we are practically sowing the seeds to their demise.

If this were true, don't you think the 'Muslim terrorists' would be amongst America's most fevered supporters?

Wiskedjak · 12:48 PM

It's interesting to note that the policies of your "one ally against Muslim terrorism" are also the sole reason FOR Muslim terrorism.

Stop supporting Israel and you will have defeated Muslim terrorism without having fired a single shot. AND as a bonus, you will actually SAVE money by ending the billions in aid Israel gets from the US.

eklipse · Sep 24, 2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's interesting to note that the policies of your "one ally against Muslim terrorism" are also the sole reason FOR Muslim terrorism.

Stop supporting Israel and you will have defeated Muslim terrorism without having fired a single shot. AND as a bonus, you will actually SAVE money by ending the billions in aid Israel gets from the US.

Stop........please.......you're being far too logical.

lil'babykitten · Sep 24, 2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's interesting to note that the policies of your "one ally against Muslim terrorism" are also the sole reason FOR Muslim terrorism.

Stop supporting Israel and you will have defeated Muslim terrorism without having fired a single shot. AND as a bonus, you will actually SAVE money by ending the billions in aid Israel gets from the US.

*Post of the day*

Nicko · Sep 24, 2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's interesting to note that the policies of your "one ally against Muslim terrorism" are also the sole reason FOR Muslim terrorism.

Stop supporting Israel and you will have defeated Muslim terrorism without having fired a single shot. AND as a bonus, you will actually SAVE money by ending the billions in aid Israel gets from the US.

Problem is, if they did that the Palestinians would probably get slaughtered.

macvillage.net · Sep 24, 2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's interesting to note that the policies of your "one ally against Muslim terrorism" are also the sole reason FOR Muslim terrorism.

Stop supporting Israel and you will have defeated Muslim terrorism without having fired a single shot. AND as a bonus, you will actually SAVE money by ending the billions in aid Israel gets from the US.

To logical. WAAY to logical.

Remember... to be Israeli or American means to love blood.

Remember, these aren't vegetarian states.

BlackGriffen · Sep 24, 2003, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's interesting to note that the policies of your "one ally against Muslim terrorism" are also the sole reason FOR Muslim terrorism.

Stop supporting Israel and you will have defeated Muslim terrorism without having fired a single shot. AND as a bonus, you will actually SAVE money by ending the billions in aid Israel gets from the US.

You must be an anti-Semite Jew hater! </sarcasm>

Logic isn't what's at work, here. Cultural mores left over from WWII are. I don't even think that the majority of Jews would make that accusation, but the radical few Israel supporters who would would be enough.

BlackGriffen

Face Ache · Sep 24, 2003, 08:04 PM

Your one ally against Muslim terrorism?

a) Does the UK, Australia, Iceland, etc ring a bell?

b) Muslim terrorism? So you're okay with redneck hick terrorism then?

c) As we've seen with some Israeli reserve pilots, there's decent people in Israel. Their voices just get drowned out by the right-wing fruitcakes. Go to Israel, join the IDF and kill all the civilians you want. Just don't try to drag YOUR COUNTRY into it, you traitor.

d) You're a ****ing idiot. Pointing that out is fairly redundant but I feel compelled to anyway.

Zimphire · Sep 24, 2003, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
It's interesting to note that the policies of your "one ally against Muslim terrorism" are also the sole reason FOR Muslim terrorism.

Stop supporting Israel and you will have defeated Muslim terrorism without having fired a single shot. AND as a bonus, you will actually SAVE money by ending the billions in aid Israel gets from the US.

How ideological. I surely hope you aren't saying if we stop supporting Israel the muslim terrorists will stop? Heh, that is laughable. They aren't going to stop until everyone in Israel is pushed off the land.

Zimphire · Sep 24, 2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
To logical. WAAY to logical.

Remember... to be Israeli or American means to love blood.

Remember, these aren't vegetarian states.

100% silliness.

macvillage.net · Sep 24, 2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Face Ache:
Your one ally against Muslim terrorism?

a) Does the UK, Australia, Iceland, etc ring a bell?

b) Muslim terrorism? So you're okay with redneck hick terrorism then?

c) As we've seen with some Israeli reserve pilots, there's decent people in Israel. Their voices just get drowned out by the right-wing fruitcakes. Go to Israel, join the IDF and kill all the civilians you want. Just don't try to drag YOUR COUNTRY into it, you traitor.

d) You're a ****ing idiot. Pointing that out is fairly redundant but I feel compelled to anyway.

I think if you took a poll, most wouldn't have a problem with non-muslem terorrorism. Mostly because it wouldn't be considered "terrorism".

Sadly. Perhaps one day those voices will be drowned out by those who think bigotry is stupid. For now you can only use the ignore list to accomplish this.

Zimphire · Sep 24, 2003, 11:10 PM

So when are you going to stop being a bigot ?

Logic · Sep 25, 2003, 04:05 AM

From the article:

The U.S. government must fight this war in the name of the right and supremacy of Western Civilization,

I don't know about you, but in the western civilization that would be called racism and is generally not tolerated in the Western Civilization�. Or did I miss something?

AutoJC · Sep 25, 2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
If this were true, don't you think the 'Muslim terrorists' would be amongst America's most fevered supporters?

No, because we can have more than one enemy.

AutoJC · Sep 25, 2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Nicko:
Problem is, if they did that the Palestinians would probably get slaughtered.

AutoJC · Sep 25, 2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Face Ache:
Your one ally against Muslim terrorism?

a) Does the UK, Australia, Iceland, etc ring a bell?

b) Muslim terrorism? So you're okay with redneck hick terrorism then?

c) As we've seen with some Israeli reserve pilots, there's decent people in Israel. Their voices just get drowned out by the right-wing fruitcakes. Go to Israel, join the IDF and kill all the civilians you want. Just don't try to drag YOUR COUNTRY into it, you traitor.

d) You're a ****ing idiot. Pointing that out is fairly redundant but I feel compelled to anyway.

Next.

*places FaceAche on Ignore list*

AutoJC · Sep 25, 2003, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
From the article:

The U.S. government must fight this war in the name of the right and supremacy of Western Civilization,

I don't know about you, but in the western civilization that would be called racism and is generally not tolerated in the Western Civilization�. Or did I miss something?

I guess if the supremacy of individual rights and progress over savagery is considered "racism" you must be right

OreoCookie · Sep 25, 2003, 10:07 AM

Answer to the question: Because the US apparently means that there are more effective ways to fight terrorism than with a fence.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
From the article:

The U.S. government must fight this war in the name of the right and supremacy of Western Civilization,

I don't know about you, but in the western civilization that would be called racism and is generally not tolerated in the Western Civilization�. Or did I miss something?

The Muslim religion is not a race.

eklipse · Sep 25, 2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The Muslim religion is not a race.

Who said it was?

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
Who said it was?

He was calling it racism.

eklipse · Sep 25, 2003, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He was calling it racism.

Unless I'm mistaken, he was saying that claiming the 'supremacy of Western Civilization' is racist - towards all non-Western civilization.

I would be inclined to agree.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
Unless I'm mistaken, he was saying that claiming the 'supremacy of Western Civilization' is racist - towards all non-Western civilization.

I would be inclined to agree.

No that isn't racism either. As there are many different races the make up the "west"

I think you mean nationalism.

eklipse · Sep 25, 2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No that isn't racism either. As there are many different races the make up the "west"

I think you mean nationalism.

Just because it's 'many-on-many' doesn't lessen the charge of racism.

It's not nationalism. Nationalism refers to an allegiance to ones own country - not the disparagement of others.

Zimphire · Sep 25, 2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
Just because it's 'many-on-many' doesn't lessen the charge of racism.

It's not nationalism. Nationalism refers to an allegiance to ones own country - not the disparagement of others.

Again, you cannot call it racism when such group has most all races involved in it. That is mislabeling.

eklipse · Sep 25, 2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Again, you cannot call it racism when such group has most all races involved in it. That is mislabeling.

Uh...no....even if it was every single race on the planet minus one against that 'one' it's still racism.

Besides, 'The West' does not constitute 'most all races'.

christ · Sep 25, 2003, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by AutoJC:
No, because we can have more than one enemy.

You will, little man, you will.

Spliffdaddy · Sep 25, 2003, 11:56 AM

"Besides, 'The West' does not constitute 'most all races'."

indeed it does. At least in America.

christ · Sep 25, 2003, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The Muslim religion is not a race.

No, the Muslim religion is Islam.

'Black' is not a race.
'Yellow' is not a race.

Just exactly what is a race? (Other than something with runners in)

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:01 PM

I think this thread sure is interesting.

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:02 PM

no wait.. I'm thinking of something else

eklipse · Sep 25, 2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
"Besides, 'The West' does not constitute 'most all races'."

indeed it does. At least in America.

It contains 'parts' of some races - it doesn't encapsulate them in their entirety - nor is it representative of the whole.

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:03 PM

Oh yeah - worthless and stupid beyond the US president stupid.

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:04 PM

It will contam lot posts thot don''t mk sense

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:05 PM

Form trolls mostly.

And idiots.

a new breed of trolsss

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:05 PM

I don't know what gets me more - their bad spelling or their redundant posts and topics.

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:07 PM

these povs are very imporant

AutoJC · Sep 25, 2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by christ:
You will, little man, you will.

We already have.

They may hate us, but they love our money.

Much as I love my country, I'm dismayed at the fact that we get sucked into giving our enemies foreign aid.

I recall reading that we would give 900 million dollars a year in foreign aid to Palestine if they would cooperate in the peace talks.

Talk about blood money!

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:09 PM

I think that the US should give up the support of israel.

AutoJC · Sep 25, 2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
I think that the US should give up the support of israel.

There is a better way to support Israel. It was done prior to 1967.

Israel can buy their weapons. From us, from England, whomever. We can sell them whatever they want.

Foreign aid is bullshit no matter how you slice it.

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:13 PM

you guys are just to thin skinned to understand me

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:14 PM

Are you perhaps crybabies? Thin skinned? Can't take the truth?

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:15 PM

I wonder if you enjoy the trolling or are you just obsessive compulsive?

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:15 PM

I'll give you that this thread sure is getting bigger!

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:16 PM

Strange thing is that my edit button doesn't work so I just have to post again if I think of something else to add to this not so valuable discussion.

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:17 PM

I was thinking - why does the US support Israel really?

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:18 PM

Is it the entertainment value? perhaps a hobby problem in the US foreign relations?

Logic · Sep 25, 2003, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
I think this thread sure is interesting.

I agree!

voodoo · Sep 25, 2003, 12:19 PM

Maybe the DOD should just start ping pong instead? That would loosen them up a bit don't you think?