[eklipse]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3165394.stm

Syria says they hit a refugee camp, Israel says it was 'terrorist training' camp.

I bet the poor deluded fools think this will 'defeat terrorism'.


: awaits Syria's customary response of doing sweet F.A. and running to the UN holding it's skirt like a b*tch with a skinned knee :

[lil'babykitten]

Ah yes, I'm very sure now this 'terrorist camp' has been destroyed-if it even was one, that all terrorist attacks against Israel are going to stop.

This is plain stupid planning. I don't think the Israeli government are so deluded as to think that these types of retaliatory attacks actually do anything to help the security situation in Israel. This leads me to believe that Sharon has absolutely no interest in restoring peace in the region. This latest attack-bombing Syria FFS? looks to me as though they are wanting to place Syria on the US's next hit list in their 'War on Terror'.

I'm anxious to hear what Syria is going to do, but like eklipse says, they shall probably run crying to the UN.

This situation gets more ****ed up as days go by. I don't see things moving anywhere but backwards.

[Face Ache]

I believe there is an imminent threat of attack on US soil by Syria (using WMD or possibly a pointy stick - they can prepare a pointy stick within 45 minutes).

The US will be taking care of Syria soon enough.

[Logic]

Wasn't there are thread here somewhere about Israel trying to start the Big War™ with the US in the area? Doesn't sound so unlikelly now.

[macintologist]

I think it's hilarious. Israel hasn't attacked Syria in over two decades. I can't wait to watch Dateline London on BBC and see what the Arab analysts have to say. Does anyone watch Dateline? Isn't Abdel Bari Atwan the greatest guy ever? I love him, he makes my day.

[Troll]

The Israeli foreign minister's speech almost makes it sound like this was an attack by the US and Israel together. Also shows how dangerous Bushisms can be when applied by others. Bush can't find fault with his own logic.

The foreign minister said something like, "Countries that support terrorism will have to face the consequences. We have warned the Syrians, the Americans have warned the Syrians."

This is what the rest of the world is really pissed off about. Worse than killing innocent Iraqis is the fact the precedent the war on terrorism and the invasion of Iraq have set. In that context, the USA really is the biggest threat to peace on the planet.

[shmerek]

to Israel's policies.

[Face Ache]

"Syria has been warned more than once by the United States that it should close all the facilities of the Islamic Jihad," Israeli government spokesman Avi Pazner said.

"Apparently it has not done so. And it is our policy, after what happened [on Saturday], to go after Islamic Jihad wherever they are."

Yup. Now the US will have to back Israel to the hilt no matter what they do. It's the War on Terrorism™.

The US has been played.

[Mithras]

After an organization kills 20 of your citizens -- Jews and Arabs --, it's not the most ludicrous thing the world to strike a training camp for that organization, held in a bordering nation.

Suppose a First-Nations-Rights group had just killed 20 Canadians. Furthermore, the United States semi-openly tolerated that group's training camps near the border. Might not Canada be at least conceivably justified in striking such a camp?

--

Now, I think Sharon is an idiot, and has brought and will bring only injustice and suffering to both peoples in Israel/Occupied Territories.

And in the end I think this strike is the wrong choice.

But I dislike the reflexive condemnation of anything Israel does; situations are complicated, and no one team has a monopoly on being bad guys.

[shmerek]

Nobody here is condoning terrorist attacks.

[macvillage.net]

Sharon really isn't a bright guy.

IMHO Syria should accept this attack as a formal declaration or war, and act appropriately.

Even Bush knows you give a little warning before you send your military forces into another country.

Sharon is looking to create some conflict, so he can appear as the hero to his people, and ensure his office.

Sharon is nothing more than a criminal. He should be tried and locked up with his good pal Milosevic. They seem to have more and more in common as time goes on.

[shmerek]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Sharon really isn't a bright guy.

IMHO Syria should accept this attack as a formal declaration or war, and act appropriately.

Even Bush knows you give a little warning before you send your military forces into another country.

Sharon is looking to create some conflict, so he can appear as the hero to his people, and ensure his office.

Sharon is nothing more than a criminal. He should be tried and locked up with his good pal Milosevic. They seem to have more and more in common as time goes on.

[einmakom]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Sharon really isn't a bright guy.

IMHO Syria should accept this attack as a formal declaration or war, and act appropriately.

Even Bush knows you give a little warning before you send your military forces into another country.

Sharon is looking to create some conflict, so he can appear as the hero to his people, and ensure his office.

Sharon is nothing more than a criminal. He should be tried and locked up with his good pal Milosevic. They seem to have more and more in common as time goes on.

A post like this shows how little you know of Milosevic and his brutality. Sharon and Milosevic aren't in the same league.

Sharon is not looking to create conflict, he's responding directly to an attack. He's responding swiftly, and to the source of the group that claimed responsibility.

It's very clear how this group condones such attacks on Israel's soil, whether against Jews or Arabs- Not one of you bothered to post a thread or post on the attack itself, but everyone leaped to get a post in on Israel's response to the attack.

The attack in Haifa was placed against an Arab-owned and operated business. The attack killed both Jews and Arabs alike.

The response to the attack was against the group who claimed responsibility. Syria has long supported this group, and should be held accountable for it's state-supported terrorism.

You state that even Bush gives warning? Where was the warning of the bomber who killed Arab and non-Arab Israelis? Bush gives warning because (a) the US military is large and does not strike quickly- it first has to gather large quantities in position, and (b) because it's a good PR move for the rest of the world.

Yes, not a single post in any other thread on the attack itself condemning it.

Thank you all for showing your character by your inaction.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by einmakom:
Yes, not a single post in any other thread on the attack itself condemning it.

Thank you all for showing your character by your inaction.

Considering you only have 2 posts I think your quick conclusion about 'our character' is a little premature. No body here condones terrorist attacks. What this thread is addressing is the response given to the attack.

What exactly do you feel such a response by Sharon achieves? better security for Israel? a warning sign to other terrorist groups? If it did then why are these attacks continuing and why would it appear that they are not backing down?

[Face Ache]

Originally posted by einmakom:
Thank you all for showing your character by your inaction.

Yes we're all anti-semites here.

Sharon will be annexing Poland next.

[shmerek]

Originally posted by shmerek:
Nobody here is condoning terrorist attacks.

Just in case you missed it the first time.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Considering you only have 2 posts I think your quick conclusion about 'our character' is a little premature.

and considering you have over a thousand posts in just six months, and considering the quality of them, I think we know all we need to know about yourcharacter.

You pukes tolerate terrorism and make excuses for those that perpetrate it. Weakness only invites more violence.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
a warning sign to other terrorist groups? If it did then why are these attacks continuing and why would it appear that they are not backing down?

simple-minded infidel, you have much to learn about Palestinian terror groups. They don't murder for a Palestinian state in the West Bank, or a partial capital in Jerusalem, but only to murder Jews--women, children, and babies included. 'Drive them into the sea' as it were. If a Palestinian state were created from Gaza and the West Bank today, Hamas and the Jihad would continue to murder Jews inside Israel.

[Spliffdaddy]

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[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by einmakom:
A post like this shows how little you know of Milosevic and his brutality. Sharon and Milosevic aren't in the same league.

Sharon is not looking to create conflict, he's responding directly to an attack. He's responding swiftly, and to the source of the group that claimed responsibility.

It's very clear how this group condones such attacks on Israel's soil, whether against Jews or Arabs- Not one of you bothered to post a thread or post on the attack itself, but everyone leaped to get a post in on Israel's response to the attack.

The attack in Haifa was placed against an Arab-owned and operated business. The attack killed both Jews and Arabs alike.

The response to the attack was against the group who claimed responsibility. Syria has long supported this group, and should be held accountable for it's state-supported terrorism.

You state that even Bush gives warning? Where was the warning of the bomber who killed Arab and non-Arab Israelis? Bush gives warning because (a) the US military is large and does not strike quickly- it first has to gather large quantities in position, and (b) because it's a good PR move for the rest of the world.

Yes, not a single post in any other thread on the attack itself condemning it.

Thank you all for showing your character by your inaction.

They clearly are of the same league. They have the same motivation, and methods.

The only difference is one is Israeli, hence can't be prosecuted.

Than that, they are similar enough to share DNA.

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
and considering you have over a thousand posts in just six months, and considering the quality of them, I think we know all we need to know about yourcharacter.

You pukes tolerate terrorism and make excuses for those that perpetrate it. Weakness only invites more violence.

You endorce state funded terrorism.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
You endorce state funded terrorism.

*SMACKDOWN*

[lil'babykitten]

word

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
You endorce state funded terrorism.

what the hell are you talking about robert? How am I endorsing state-funded terrorism?

Israel's actions inside Syria are not terrorism, they are legitimate strikes against murderers of women and children. Syria's territorial sovereignty is negated by its chronic support and harboring of terrorists.

[lil'babykitten]

UN SC to have emergency debate

Syrian Foreign Minister Farouk al-Sharaa said the raid "threatens security and peace in the region and internationally, and could aggravate the deteriorating situation in the region".

.....He called on the Security Council to consider measures to deter Israel from "provocative and aggressive policies".

A predictable development I think. But what could they possibly do? seems like a waste of time to me.

[Nicko]

The way thing are going, I'm not sure if there is a peaceful solution!

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
what the hell are you talking about robert? How am I endorsing state-funded terrorism?

Israel's actions inside Syria are not terrorism, they are legitimate strikes against murderers of women and children. Syria's territorial sovereignty is negated by its chronic support and harboring of terrorists.

Even the Israeli Airforce (joining many other Israeli military) disagree with you.

Even ex-Israeli politicans disagree with you.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Face Ache:
The US has been played.

The US was "played" by Israel a long time ago. It's just becoming more obvious with each passing day.

[BlackGriffen]

One of the uglier parts of this is that the claims of Israel and Syria are not mutually exclusive.

BG

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Nicko:
The way thing are going, I'm not sure if there is a peaceful solution!

There is a peaceful solution: remove the hardliners from both sides of the issue.

[shmerek]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
UN SC to have emergency debate



A predictable development I think. But what could they possibly do? seems like a waste of time to me.

Nothing because the US will just veto any resolution against Israel.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Even the Israeli Airforce (joining many other Israeli military) disagree with you.

Even ex-Israeli politicans disagree with you.

robert, you are a living example that there are freaks within every society. Within any military you'll find freaks--probably even racists and fascists. However, to take their actions and opinions as evidence of broad dissention is stupid.

get a clue.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
The US was "played" by Israel a long time ago. It's just becoming more obvious with each passing day.

Without US support, millions and millions of Jews would have been "driven into the sea" (ie- slaughtered). For the US to allow a consentual democracy to be exterminated would have been a crime in itself.

I am quite proud that our support (in general) has prevented the deaths of many millions. Apparently, some others here disagree.

[shmerek]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Without US support, millions and millions of Jews would have been "driven into the sea" (ie- slaughtered). For the US to allow a consentual democracy to be exterminated would have been a crime in itself.

I am quite proud that our support (in general) has prevented the deaths of many millions. Apparently, some others here disagree.

[Face Ache]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
For the US to allow a consentual democracy to be exterminated would have been a crime in itself.

Yes the US/UK committed a great crime when it overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government in 1953. And look how that turned out.

Read this and have a think.

[Y3a]

If someone were to hijack 3-4 airplanes and slam them into Arafats compound and the surrounding area...

Maybe they need to be hijacked from the Saudi's!! LOL

That ought to stir things up a bit.
Make it look like the Sirians, or Al-kada did it. With all the Arabs pointing fingers at each other, things will cool down for a while elsewhere.

[lil'babykitten]

An attempt by Israel to remind Bush of the Syrian and Iranian 'threat'?

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
An attempt by Israel to remind Bush of the Syrian and Iranian 'threat'?

of particular interest in your linked article:

"Israel has successfully put Syria on the agenda of the neo-conservatives in Washington and wants to keep it there. Vice-President [Dick] Cheney and Defence Secretary [Donald] Rumsfeld are gunning for Syria. It is a huge move in this conflict," Hania Farhan, Middle East director of the Economist Intelligence Unit in London told BBC News Online.

actually, as has been noted previously, syria was always on the neocon agenda. The scenario is to first take Iraq, then fan out to neighboring countries as they either are tricked into justifying it by attacking us troops or (insert artificial justification here).
The point is to use Iraq as a collection of american base of operations to reshape the middle east, utilizing its oil wealth and geographic strategic location.

Look at a map (I make maps for a living). see where Iraq is? see how it touches nearly every other middle east nation not now under US influence or brackets it between Iraq and Israel? amazing coincidence, no?

[Wiskedjak]

I'm just wondering when the US will liberate the Palestinians. Here is a people being denied the basic libertiesand freedoms of life.

Their only crime is fighting for those liberties and rights using the few means available to them. Sure, they could seek help from organizations such as the UN, but those avenues have been vetoed time and again by permanent members of the Security Council allied with Israel. The resolutions that haven't been vetoed have simply gone ignored by Israel with no consequence.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
I'm just wondering when the US will liberate the Palestinians. Here is a people being denied the basic libertiesand freedoms of life.

The day the biggest reserve of oil in the history of the world is found right under Jenin.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Troll:
The day the biggest reserve of oil in the history of the world is found right under Jenin.

[Usama's Carcase]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
I'm just wondering when the US will liberate the Palestinians. Here is a people being denied the basic libertiesand freedoms of life.

They deny themselves those basics because the Palestinian people throw in their lot with losers like Arafat and, as a whole, do not rise up against Palestinian terrorism.

Their only crime is fighting for those liberties and rights using the few means available to them. Sure, they could seek help from organizations such as the UN, but those avenues have been vetoed time and again by permanent members of the Security Council allied with Israel. The resolutions that haven't been vetoed have simply gone ignored by Israel with no consequence.

You legitimize and excuse the most brutal acts of murder and terrorism--the deliberate targeting of women and babies for a bloody, gruesome, and horrible death--and justify it as the only 'means available'. Disgusting.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Without US support, millions and millions of Jews would have been "driven into the sea" (ie- slaughtered). For the US to allow a consentual democracy to be exterminated would have been a crime in itself.

With US support, millions and millions of Palestinians have been persecuted and oppressed - and many have been slaughtered. For the world to allow this to happen and continue to happen is a crime in itself.

[Mohammed Al-Sabah]

[AutoJC]

Originally posted by eklipse:
: awaits Syria's customary response of doing sweet F.A. and running to the UN holding it's skirt like a b*tch with a skinned knee :

They've done that. first come, first serve.

First callers appear to be France and Iran.