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AP: FBI Sent Hamas Money in Late 1990's
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Oct 6, 2003, 07:07 PM
 
Seems like a strange strategy -- send them money and see where it goes?

from: http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandf...ws/6947475.htm

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AP: FBI Sent Hamas Money in Late 1990's
JOHN SOLOMON
Associated Press

WASHINGTON -While President Clinton was trying to broker an elusive peace between Israelis and Palestinians, the FBI was secretly funneling money to suspected Hamas figures to see if the militant group would use it for terrorist attacks, according to interviews and court documents.

The counterterrorism operation in 1998 and 1999 was run out of the FBI's Phoenix office in cooperation with Israeli intelligence and was approved by Attorney General Janet Reno, FBI officials told The Associated Press.

Several thousand dollars in U.S. money was sent to suspected terror supporters during the operation as the FBI tried to track the flow of cash through terror organizations, the FBI said in a rare acknowledgment of an undercover sting that never resulted in prosecutions.

"This was done in conjunction with permission from the attorney general for an ongoing operation, and Israeli authorities were aware of it," the bureau said.

One of the FBI's key operatives, who has had a falling out with the bureau, provided an account of the operation at a friend's closed immigration court proceeding. AP obtained and reviewed the court documents.

Arizona businessman Harry Ellen testified he permitted the FBI to bug his home, car and office, allowed his Muslim foundation's activities in the Gaza Strip to be monitored by agents, arranged a peace meeting between major Palestinian activists and gained personal access to Yasser Arafat during more than four years of cooperation with the FBI.

Ellen's FBI handler in the late 1990s was Kenneth Williams, an agent who later became famous for writing a pre-Sept. 11 memo to FBI headquarters warning there were Arab pilots training at U.S. flight schools. The warning went unheeded.

Ellen, a Muslim convert, testified he was taking a trip to the Gaza Strip to bring doctors to the region in summer 1998 when Williams asked him to provide money to a Hamas figure.

Williams wanted "the transfer of American funds to some of the terrorist groups for violent purposes," Ellen testified to the immigration court in a closed June 2001 session.

At the same time, Clinton and his negotiators were trying to reinvigorate stalled Mideast peace talks, an effort that culminated in the Wye Accords in October 1998.

Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, said in an interview that the White House wasn't informed of the FBI activities. "We were not aware of any such operation," Berger said.

Ellen testified the operation ended abruptly in early 1999 when he and Williams had a series of disagreements over the operation, disputes that began when Ellen angered the FBI by having an affair with a Chinese woman suspected of espionage.

FBI officials said they tried to get Ellen to end the relationship and his work was terminated for failing to follow rules.

Melvin McDonald, the former U.S. attorney in Phoenix who has championed Ellen's cause, said the FBI's abrupt end to the investigation squandered an important intelligence opportunity.

"Harry had been a tremendous resource to the bureau," McDonald said. "We did not have that many people like him with connections like that to the Middle East."

Former Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Dennis DeConcini, another Ellen supporter, said Ellen's work could have greatly assisted the FBI.

"I know some of the wonderful cases and sheer positives the FBI has done. But when it comes to spying and espionage they really screwed up, and I think Harry is one of those cases," the former Arizona senator said.

The Justice Department inspector general is investigating some allegations that came to light in Ellen's case, including that FBI agents in sensitive probes moonlighted at private companies that were using FBI assets or investigative subjects to assist their personal interests.

Ellen, stepson of an Air Force intelligence officer, had worked for U.S. intelligence since the 1970s as an "asset," a private citizen paid to provide information or conduct specific tasks. His work started in Latin America and also involved China and the Middle East.

Ellen, whose step-grandfather was Jewish, converted to Islam in the 1980s and began helping poor Palestinians.

In 1994, he began assisting the FBI Phoenix office, which had become a hotbed of cases involving terrorism and intelligence because of a large, active Muslim population, the proximity to the U.S. southern border and a large concentration of aerospace companies.

Ellen testified that by 1996 his humanitarian work, monitored by the FBI, had won him unprecedented access to Muslim militants from groups fighting for Palestinian independence, including Hamas.

In a rare meeting Ellen organized, he testified, the major groups created an informal alliance to ensure safe passage to any foreigner providing humanitarian assistance. Ellen was named a spokesman and met several times with Arafat.

Ellen also created a foundation named al-Sadaqa to further his work by bringing sewing machines, eyeglasses and other assistance to Palestinians.

Impressed by the extraordinary access, Williams insisted the new foundation be funded in part by the FBI, Ellen testified.

In an interview, he said he agreed to help the FBI "not as a snitch but as a good American."

"I agreed to cooperate with the FBI in the facilitation of the peace process that would lead to an independent Palestinian state, stopping the half-century of violent and oppressive occupation," Ellen said.

"During that period of time I never did anything nor would I cooperate in any way to harm the Palestinian or Israeli people."

He testified that Williams provided him between $3,000 and $5,000 in the summer of 1998 and instructed him to give it to a Hamas figure named Ismail Abu Shanab, who was killed earlier this year by Israeli forces in retaliation for a Hamas terrorist strike.

"He (Williams) said they (the dollars) would be for terrorist activities," Ellen testified. Abu Shanab distributed the money to Palestinian orphanages and health care facilities, he said.

Ellen testified that Williams told him he hoped the transfer would lead to more money exchanges through terror groups but Ellen refused to earmark money for terrorism. He testified he later learned another FBI operative had offered Hamas and Palestinian figures larger amounts for terrorist attacks.

The court testimony shows Ellen allowed his home, office and car in Arizona to be bugged so the FBI could listen, without a warrant, to visiting Palestinians or Americans if they discussed illegal activity.

The FBI said it commonly uses such recordings. "Consensual monitoring does not require a warrant. In cases where the FBI conducts consensual monitoring, the one party is aware he is being recorded," it said.

One of those to visit Ellen in Arizona was Palestinian Gen. Mahmoud Abu Marzouq, an Arafat ally who oversaw Palestinian civil defense. Marzouq became involved with Ellen's foundation and later wrote a letter praising him.

"The United States will, in my opinion, lose a valuable opportunity for communication in the Middle East if Abu Yusef (Ellen's Muslim name) is further restricted from his honorable efforts for the part of the widows, orphans and handicapped and the elderly in Palestine," Marzouq wrote.
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Oct 6, 2003, 07:16 PM
 
bizarre. but nothing surprises me re: spook operations in the intelligence community.
     
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Oct 6, 2003, 07:25 PM
 
I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the seeming disorganization, decentralization and alarming autonomy afforded the intelligence services and their "assets".

It sounds like loose collection of cells each pursuing their own pet projects and agendas without oversight or accountability.

I find it hard to believe the president was unaware of such activity, but I'm not sure what is more bothersome--thinking he knew or thinking he didn't know.
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Oct 6, 2003, 08:07 PM
 
Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
I find it hard to believe the president was unaware of such activity, but I'm not sure what is more bothersome--thinking he knew or thinking he didn't know.
I think it depends on the scale of the project -- I think it's perfectly possible Clinton was entirely unaware of this, the same way I think it's entirely possible Regan had no idea about the Iran/Contra affair.

CEOs of companies often have no idea what is going on in certain areas of their company, they have managers who people report to in an hierarchical fashion. Similar things can be said for governments.
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Oct 6, 2003, 08:23 PM
 
Originally posted by moki:
I think it depends on the scale of the project -- I think it's perfectly possible Clinton was entirely unaware of this, the same way I think it's entirely possible Regan had no idea about the Iran/Contra affair.

CEOs of companies often have no idea what is going on in certain areas of their company, they have managers who people report to in an hierarchical fashion. Similar things can be said for governments.
I understand your point and I somewhat agree, but I do have to take exception to Iran/Contra as a good example. The scope of the project and the authority necessary to carry it out could only have come from the White House.

As you say, it depends on the scale of the project. This might have been small and limited enough. I don't see how Iran/Contra could possibly fit into the same category.

Not to derail your topic. Sorry. I just think its a bad example.

The idea of this project is kind of intriguing. I can see where it might have yielded good intelligence, but I'm very concerned that it was done in such a seemingly opaque and isolated way. Seems to me that the more assets directed at watching very carefully where the money went, the more the chances of it paying off--rather than some clandestine operation by a handful of isolated agents with no backing from higher ups.

The real obstacle to "following the money" on the terrorism front is it always seems to have a nasty habit of flowing back to our "allies" and their very well connected friends in Washington. Our security policy is at odds with our economic/political interests on this front.
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Oct 6, 2003, 08:37 PM
 
I'm not quite sure what to think about this.

The goal of that money was to allow the FBI to learn how the money makes it's way through the Hamas system. They could trace it and learn the financial structure.

How many people should be in on this?

To many, and Hamas knows... and the plan is a waste.

Are American spies infultrating Al-Queda by definition traders for doing their job?

IMHO it was a covert operation to learn how the financial network was setup. Less people know, the better it will work.
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Oct 7, 2003, 12:04 AM
 
This reminds me so much of that movie "The siege" with Dezel Washington and Bruce Willis, where the CIA does its thing with middle eastern terrorists and then casually forgets about them.
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Oct 7, 2003, 02:50 AM
 
Considering the success that the FBI has had tracking terrorists through their money (and cutting it off), I'd say it was a good plan, in theory.

Remember, Al Capone was arrested for tax evasion. (A cliche, I know.)
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Oct 7, 2003, 08:48 AM
 
Hmm. So how are they going to blame Bush for this one, I wonder?
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Oct 7, 2003, 08:57 AM
 
Originally posted by finboy:
Considering the success that the FBI has had tracking terrorists through their money (and cutting it off), I'd say it was a good plan, in theory.

Remember, Al Capone was arrested for tax evasion. (A cliche, I know.)
I agree.

It was a good plan. What was there to loose? It's not like that money made a big difference to their bank account. Those were pennies.

That money simply provided great insite to the financial structure... and gave the potential for great understanding of how this organization ticks.

I would *hope* we did the same with Al Queda.
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Originally posted by Millennium:
Hmm. So how are they going to blame Bush for this one, I wonder?
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Originally posted by Millennium:
Hmm. So how are they going to blame Bush for this one, I wonder?
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