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theolein · Oct 14, 2003, 06:18 AM

This photo essay over at the BBC documents a working day for a young modern Iraqi woman who is a geek like most of us are. It makes me so wish that people liker her could live a normal peaceful life in a normal peaceful country. I think that for people like this I would support a UN resolution authorising support for peace and reconstruction in Iraq.

spacefreak · Oct 14, 2003, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
It makes me so wish that people liker her could live a normal peaceful life in a normal peaceful country. I think that for people like this I would support a UN resolution authorising support for peace and reconstruction in Iraq.

That's why I supported US forces removing Saddam's brutal regime and liberating the Iraqi people, and that's why I continue to support the US reconstruction.

Spliffdaddy · Oct 14, 2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
That's why I supported US forces removing Saddam's brutal regime and liberating the Iraqi people, and that's why I continue to support the US reconstruction.

ditto

eklipse · Oct 14, 2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by theolein:
This photo essay over at the BBC documents a working day for a young modern Iraqi woman who is a geek like most of us are. It makes me so wish that people liker her could live a normal peaceful life in a normal peaceful country. I think that for people like this I would support a UN resolution authorising support for peace and reconstruction in Iraq.

A noble sentiment, unfortunately however, certain people from a certain country are more interested in getting a piece of Iraq rather than bringing peace to Iraq.

To paraphrase Tupac Shakur: "We can't have peace 'til the Iraqis get a piece."

Face Ache · Oct 14, 2003, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
That's why I supported US forces removing Saddam's brutal regime and liberating the Iraqi people, and that's why I continue to support the US reconstruction.

No that's the "reason" you are told to spout this week. Last week it was WMD. Next week it might be about freeing the Iraqi Fig market.

But hey, whatever makes you feel like a nice, rational person.

Get your brain security patches here: http://www.whitehouse.org/

moki · Oct 15, 2003, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
That's why I supported US forces removing Saddam's brutal regime and liberating the Iraqi people, and that's why I continue to support the US reconstruction.

Same here as well...

moki · Oct 15, 2003, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
This photo essay over at the BBC documents a working day for a young modern Iraqi woman who is a geek like most of us are. It makes me so wish that people liker her could live a normal peaceful life in a normal peaceful country. I think that for people like this I would support a UN resolution authorising support for peace and reconstruction in Iraq.

Aw shucks, theolein, just admit it... you're hoping to get a date with that chick.

theolein · Oct 15, 2003, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by moki:
Aw shucks, theolein, just admit it... you're hoping to get a date with that chick.

Good one.

But seriously, I looked at that essay, and I looked at that woman's family and the way they live, having to support one another to avoid being victims of crime and poverty, having to have a UPS to avoid losing the computer hardware, and it just kind of made me sad. It's so damn easy for all of us to comment on how Iraq should be this or Iraq should be that, but none of us live there and I'm damn sure that none of us would have the courage to go there without the protection of the military. We all are high and mighty in our political positions, thinking either that the way the situation is going is good, or that it's a desaster, but none of us are in a situation where we struggle to preserve a sense of normality in a world gone mad and violent around us.

MacNStein · Oct 15, 2003, 06:25 AM

Hell, she's a cutey, beautiful eyes. If she'll come over here I'll set her up with a nice G5 duallie, my M3, and a job at the local paper (one of my mates is the editor).

AutoJC · Oct 15, 2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
This photo essay over at the BBC documents a working day for a young modern Iraqi woman who is a geek like most of us are. It makes me so wish that people liker her could live a normal peaceful life in a normal peaceful country. I think that for people like this I would support a UN resolution authorising support for peace and reconstruction in Iraq.

The way that will happen is if Iraq becomes a free nation based upon capitalism.

Jacket · Oct 16, 2003, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by moki:
Same here as well...

I think anyone who thinks that going in was the wrong thing to do, or that Iraq was better of with Saddam Hussein are completely insane. It's nice to see some people supporting the cause.

Lerkfish · Oct 16, 2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Jacket:
I think anyone who thinks that going in was the wrong thing to do, or that Iraq was better of with Saddam Hussein are completely insane. It's nice to see some people supporting the cause.

those two things are not the same...

its possible to think that it was the wrong thing to do AND that Saddam was a very bad thing.

The problem is that many people, like you just did, think that if someone is against unprovoked regime change they must therefore be for saddam hussein.

Jacket · Oct 16, 2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
those two things are not the same...

its possible to think that it was the wrong thing to do AND that Saddam was a very bad thing.

The problem is that many people, like you just did, think that if someone is against unprovoked regime change they must therefore be for saddam hussein.

I believe that people who were against going into Iraq put too much faith in an evil dictator, and they don't care what the reasons were for going in, they just have this need to distrust Bush. and that's just sad.

I believe that people who think their was no justification for going in have more trust and faith in Saddam Hussein to be honest about what he was doing (which the Kay Interim Report proves he wasn't) than they do in George W. Bush, who is fighting a war on terrorism and doesn't want the United STates to be struck again before we do something about it.

So I stand by my previous statement.

Lerkfish · Oct 16, 2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Jacket:
I believe that people who were against going into Iraq put too much faith in an evil dictator, and they don't care what the reasons were for going in, they just have this need to distrust Bush. and that's just sad.

I believe that people who think their was no justification for going in have more trust and faith in Saddam Hussein to be honest about what he was doing (which the Kay Interim Report proves he wasn't) than they do in George W. Bush, who is fighting a war on terrorism and doesn't want the United STates to be struck again before we do something about it.

So I stand by my previous statement.

and, as I said, you're patently incorrect to stand by that presumptious assessment of the motivations of other people that you do not know. Just because you desire to retain a prejudice does not make that prejudice accurate, merely shows that you're incapable of understanding what other people are trying to tell you.

eklipse · Oct 16, 2003, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Jacket:
I believe that people who were against going into Iraq put too much faith in an evil dictator, and they don't care what the reasons were for going in, they just have this need to distrust Bush. and that's just sad.

What's more sad is that you believe that.

I believe that people who think their was no justification for going in have more trust and faith in Saddam Hussein to be honest about what he was doing (which the Kay Interim Report proves he wasn't) than they do in George W. Bush, who is fighting a war on terrorism and doesn't want the United STates to be struck again before we do something about it.

What was that justification for 'going in' again?

Jacket · Oct 16, 2003, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
and, as I said, you're patently incorrect to stand by that presumptious assessment of the motivations of other people that you do not know. Just because you desire to retain a prejudice does not make that prejudice accurate, merely shows that you're incapable of understanding what other people are trying to tell you.

blah blah blah blah..

I understand fine. but that's okay.. you can call me prejudiced if you want, it doesn't bother me what you think. you want me to understand what the liberals in here are trying to tell me? Since when is a liberal trustworthy to say anything of value or truth?

Lerkfish · Oct 16, 2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Jacket:
blah blah blah blah..

I understand fine. but that's okay.. you can call me prejudiced if you want, it doesn't bother me what you think. you want me to understand what the liberals in here are trying to tell me? Since when is a liberal trustworthy to say anything of value or truth?

I'm telling you my motivations are A and you're telling me they're B. Even when I explain it to you, you insist they're B.
The expert on my motivations would be me, not you.
You are suffering under the self-delusion of an inaccurate prejudice.

Lerkfish · Oct 16, 2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by eklipse:
What was that justification for 'going in' again?

he appears to be stuck on the first one: that Iraq was an imminent threat. He doesn't seem to have gotten the memo on the following 5 permutations of the justification yet.

Jacket · Oct 16, 2003, 10:08 AM

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option." - George W. Bush, January 28, 2003

Lerkfish · Oct 16, 2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Jacket:
"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option." - George W. Bush, January 28, 2003

QED

djjava · 02:54 PM

all you leftist idiots--- if you want the rape rooms to come back to Iraq, go there yourself and start 'em up. You liberal idiots.

Lerkfish · Oct 16, 2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by djjava:
all you leftist idiots--- if you want the rape rooms to come back ti Iraq, go there yourself and start 'em up. You liberal idiots.

now, there's a brilliant man.
Incisive, educated, fair-minded, deliberate and practicing discretion with the elan of the gentry.

Spliffdaddy · Oct 16, 2003, 12:26 PM

he's not one of us, I swear.

dunno where he came from.

Mister Elf · Oct 17, 2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
now, there's a brilliant man.
Incisive, educated, fair-minded, deliberate and practicing discretion with the elan of the gentry.

And having exhausted opportunities to rip on our President, we now turn to ripping on his supporters...

I had to "go in", and I'd like us to hurry up in Iraq, but I know that its going to take time...be patient. Reelect Bush!